Cheese Thief | Game 1 Over

[mallowgeno]

I'm feeling like it might just be Star Gazer. I don't know if I fully buy them waking up at 6am with Silver. That's super easy for Silver to say that they saw Star Gazer at 6am to cover for them.

I am not sure though, camel could just be lying about when they woke up as well. But they don't feel scummy to me, maybe just confused?

[Mizzytastic]

To clarify, I would not allow the hammerer to change their vote then be the last player to say they want voting closed, them changing their vote would give everyone else a chance to reconsider.

Votecount 0

camelCasedSnivy (1): DragonEater70
NDMath (1): camelCasedSnivy

Not Voting (6): Silverclaw, Mallowgeno, NDMath, Skygazer, DragonEater70, camelCasedSnivy

The day will end in (expired on 2023-10-09 22:05:00), or sooner if all players agree, and role cards will be revealed for players with or tied for the most votes.

[Skygazer]

who is star gazer?

151 means we basically have a breaking strategy if we tie-vote everyone except silverclaw. anyone who doesn't go along is scum.

[DragonEater70]

I was actually thinking that 151 is the case and was planning to ask the mod about that.

While it's true that we can do that and it would be an auto-win, I rather lose playing a fair game than win by "cheating". Like I feel if we did that strategy then we basically admit that we can't even find two cheese thief candidates out of six people.

You can scumread me for this all you want, I don't really care.

I think a tie vote between

Star

Sky and Snivy wins the game.

[Skygazer]

DE70 must be scum then lol. Trying to still push me after I advocated for an absolutely gamebreaking strat is also kinda damning.

I will still try to do some puzzle solving tonight to see if there are any other ways its auto. yes, yes, I said this yesterday

[DragonEater70]

DE70 must be scum then lol. Trying to still push me after I advocated for an absolutely gamebreaking strat is also kinda damning.

I literally said that I don't want to gamebreak because it will feel lame

if you all are so tryhard so as to go for the gamebreak start, go for it. I will vote accordingly.

[Skygazer]

Do you think I would advocate for an autoloss if I was a thief or follower?

[DragonEater70]

No but at this stage all my suspects advocated for autoloss so I'm kinda out of suspects.

[Silverclaw]

I'm pretty sure this breaks spirit of the game

[camelCasedSnivy]

im thinking of literally any way the thief can get around autoloss. i doubt mizzy didnt take this into consideratiob

[camelCasedSnivy]

im thinking of literally any way the thief can get around autoloss. i doubt mizzy didnt take this into consideration

[Skygazer]

tbh i agree that autowin is no fun but I'm just trying to aggressively clear myself because I hate being scumread as town, especially when i feel that i shouldn't be scumread. like the mechanical odds of me being thief are fairly low so it's annoying to be scumread in spite of that when i feel like i haven't been particularly scummy this game. it's also interesting to see how people respond to the proposal. in a way, the autowin is me throwing a tantrum about being scumread to force a win lol but i probably wouldn't feel great about it

[Skygazer]

i don't think there's anything wrong with proposing it, though. plenty of open mafia setups have been broken in similar ways mid-game, and they're usually either tweaked afterwards or deprecated. in this case i feel like a small rule tweak could remove the autowin

i guess scum could also force an impasse and make us guess who is the thief and who is the follower so it's not entirely autowin either

[Silverclaw]

Feel free to propose it lmao, but if I wanted to break a game over my knees I'd be building more Pathfinder characters right now

[Skygazer]

you could argue that not picking the optimal path is playing against wincon and against site rules

but i'm not going to be the one to make that argument. if y'all don't wanna do the breaking strat that's fine by me

[DragonEater70]

Feel free to propose it lmao, but if I wanted to break a game over my knees I'd be building more Pathfinder characters right now

That made me genuinely laugh, thanks.


Sky, I get your frustration. I think it's probably not you, but I know it's not me, mallow or Silverclaw and I also don't think it's Math. So I'm proposing you as a "safe" bet.
If it's so annoying to you I can propose math/snivy instead.

[camelCasedSnivy]

hold on

more mod questions incoming

@mod if everyone had one vote on them when the day ends, would everyone be revealed?

[Silverclaw]

Feel free to propose it lmao, but if I wanted to break a game over my knees I'd be building more Pathfinder characters right now

That made me genuinely laugh, thanks.

Yeah of course ^^

[Skygazer]

Feel free to propose it lmao, but if I wanted to break a game over my knees I'd be building more Pathfinder characters right now

That made me genuinely laugh, thanks.


Sky, I get your frustration. I think it's probably not you, but I know it's not me, mallow or Silverclaw and I also don't think it's Math. So I'm proposing you as a "safe" bet.
If it's so annoying to you I can propose math/snivy instead.

I mean getting misread happens and I should learn to cope

[NDMath]

I'm disappointed with the way voting has been set up, there is definitely multiple ways to transfer voting to a forum setting without it being broken.
Not comfortable with abusing it for a large tie (doubly so since I feel we win without it!), however, just discussing abusing the voting system rules is essentially abusing them so that point is pretty moot.

I think it's most likely just ccs/mallow but wouldn't object to a split between ccs and skygazer, I would be very surprised if it were DE at this point.

tbh i agree that autowin is no fun but I'm just trying to aggressively clear myself because I hate being scumread as town, especially when i feel that i shouldn't be scumread. like the mechanical odds of me being thief are fairly low so it's annoying to be scumread in spite of that when i feel like i haven't been particularly scummy this game. it's also interesting to see how people respond to the proposal. in a way, the autowin is me throwing a tantrum about being scumread to force a win lol but i probably wouldn't feel great about it

So like, yes there is incentive for town to try to clear themself
but it inherently reads manipulative when done by stating stuff that isn't fully true
(that is moreso in reference to your early game posts than the quoted one.)
And when we only have 4 people who could even possibly be the player we want to eliminate (and actually just 3 from any individual's perspective), all of those 4 (3) will be considered suspect to some degree just because of how few possibilities there are.

[Silverclaw]

I still think it's snivy and it's not even close, but a split on sky/snivy is fine if that's what others want.

[camelCasedSnivy]

we can do a split on me/sky/de/nd since the thief is confirmed in that group

[Silverclaw]

The more people we include in the tie, the easier it is for thief and follower to get their way with it. 2 is fine, 3 is really pushing it because thief or follower can vote late.

[camelCasedSnivy]

The more people we include in the tie, the easier it is for thief and follower to get their way with it. 2 is fine, 3 is really pushing it because thief or follower can vote late.

nope

[camelCasedSnivy]

To clarify, I would not allow the hammerer to change their vote then be the last player to say they want voting closed, them changing their vote would give everyone else a chance to reconsider.