Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Randomnamechange]

r.e your questions, my scum picks are creature, tpf, aa9, renais/gif, shoshin now to a lesser extent
im not townreading creature

[GuyInFreezer]

I believe I owe some answers

remaining two scum are in there

Shoshin + ArcAngel9 + two of {RandomMidget/Princess of Renais/Creature}

Is this still the current reads?

Because without delving in so much, I disagree with AA9 scum (and Princess scum, obviously).

[GuyInFreezer]

My AA9 townread btw is 98% strength.

I simply don't believe that scum AA9 won't make the plays like she did here.

[Reality Check]

Yes I'm still there GIF

[Nancy Drew 39]

When I really have my head in a game - like I do here, I almost always have good reads.

do you have the "nobody ever understands my correct cases" thing too

Well in that team hydra thing I mentioned, I pretty much had the game solved based on VCA (let alone accurate gut reads) alone but my teammate shot down my valid reads and wound up getting our slot mislynched (my first ever in 14 games!) and costing us the game. I am never allowing anyone to shoot down my valid reads ever again. Had I trusted my own instincts instead of allowing him to wrongly influence me, I could have won the game for town. I’m not bitter about that at all.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I believe I owe some answers

remaining two scum are in there

Shoshin + ArcAngel9 + two of {RandomMidget/Princess of Renais/Creature}

Is this still the current reads?

Because without delving in so much, I disagree with AA9 scum (and Princess scum, obviously).

My AA9 townread btw is 98% strength.

I simply don't believe that scum AA9 won't make the plays like she did here.

Based on what exactly? You keep saying there’s no way they could be scum but haven’t yet given one valid reason for this. No one is just going to take your word on this. You need to provide reasons like I did, for example on why the worst is obvtown.

[GuyInFreezer]

Yes I'm still there GIF

Is this still the current reads?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Anything not me-related?

Yeah. Look at the other wagons.

Also, I don't think anyone's brought up the

TBG

NK much, thoughts there?

He was most strongly pushing Rennais/TPF in that post Reality quoted, to a lesser extent Creature. It’s one of the strongest reasons I have for wanting to lynch TPF. Ironically, I’m townreading Shoshin for the exact opposite reason I’m scumreading TPF. Sho has sincere tone and TPF is fake, antagonistic and calculated. Based on gut alone, no one in this game has pinged me even close to that hard. Almost every post of hers has caused my scumradar to fly off of the charts. She is still my #1 most confident scumread in this game. But we need a maj vote to have a lynch and Angel’s extremely suspicious post combined with the Creature whisperer’s compelling case, have made it clear that this is the correct d2 wagon to be on.

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw I'll come back to this and read properly tomorrow.
Try not to end the day until I do so

I'm totally not stalling the creature lynch, I promise
I think that slot can go.

So you plan to vote for him then?

I don’t believe you’ve answered this yet.

[Reality Check]

Yes I'm still there GIF

Is this still the current reads?

That was my answer

[Nancy Drew 39]

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rn ppls picks for scum are creature, shoshin, tpf, me. aa9 and RC.
thoughts on those slots?

Creature:

Playing very strongly to what I know to be scum of him. The fact that he hasn't even tried to gamesolve or interact with the suspicion on him consistently throughout this game makes me very strongly to believe this is scum.

Shoshin:

They're posting a lot of content that I don't believe would be fabricated, but I'm going to read them more in depth and engage before I make a solid assessment. Walls take me a bit to process X3

TpF:

I threw up in my mouth looking at their ISO.

Aa9:

Don't quite see the argument here? I probably skimmed over it, I haven't seen them post in a few pages, so I'll into that.

Reality:

Generally a bit difficult to follow. Some of their posts leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Also, what are your picks for people who are scum and town given the gamestate?

I also feel weird that

TBG

was the one of the longest-standing voters of

Renais

-slot D1 and he was NKed. So I think it's very likely that scum NKed him off the basis of an accurate read.

sucks that he probably replaced into a scum slot but I'm still glad he's here

Eghh....? What's the purpose of this post? Do you have any impression on

GIF

himself?

rn ppls picks for scum are creature, shoshin, tpf, me. aa9 and RC.
thoughts on those slots?

I think TPF, Creature and Angel are scum. Possibly Rennais as the fourth? There were some weird interactions between them. Rennais said that “Angel is town like me”, I believe. It will be interesting to see if GIF sheeps them on Nico vote. Rennais also had Creature crossed out on her readslist.

agree with this. i would throw shoshin and wheme in the pool as well.

Why Wheme? - my main issue with him has been his weird pushes on Joral but he voted Creature and I liked his read on Nico. Obviously based on wagonomics, I can’t write him off either. We obviously have to agree to disagree on Shoshin. I don’t see how scum!Shoshin hardtown reads Nico. I can’t see Sho being w/w with Angel, soley based on that.

I never found why

Wheme's

push on

Joral

was off, I got the idea that he was pushing very strongly for a read he wasn't sure of, which I don't think comes from scum often - and in my experience with

Wheme

.

R.E. the case.
i will consider the case to be a milkstool. it has three legs. my read on creature, psych eval, and peripheral reads.
to begin with the main point. i know how shit creature is as playing as scum. why do i go to these lengths to avoid his lynch? as RC said, people are more likely to try and get credit off of a creature lynch than bother defending him. this point just doesn't work as an indicator of me.
on another note, i reacted the exact same way to nico's play in spring fever where they were scum and shouted me down over me pushing them for inactivity. nico is prolly town but i was not going to let them get away with lurking to victory again.
thirdly, at EoD yesterday i had a scumread n tpf and ambivalence towards creature. i thought a tpf wagon had more support than it did. calling me out for not voting someone i wasnt scumreading is kinda ridiculous.
also my flip on renais was bc someone cased them and i agreed with the case.
first my continuation of my nico scumread despite contrary evidence was scummy
now me changing my mind when alternate info was presented in scummy.
shoshin is trying to find anything they can to paint me as scum regardless of its accuracy or cognitive dissonance. more later.

If you're defending

Creature

because nobody else is, then can you give me a valid case to why he's town here?

i'm not sure if Taly is aware we share a pt

wait, wtf? ...going to check if i got any notifications?

IM SO LOSTTT

AT LEAST IM CONF TOWN

:/ I sympathize with this a lot

that's kinda how I feel with Shoshin she's scummy and anti town as shit and it's got me to the point of like....... is this rly scum? WIFOM

How do yuo feel about their case on

Random-Creature

?

TGPKAP is the most likely town of the four

Random isn’t defending Creature but Angel has and I sincerely hope Reality won’t stall it do to some misplaced nonsense about Creature being a “no info” lynch. I agree, no way in hell is what Reality is saying about TPF making a lick of sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am okay with lynch too. Creature is most certainly not scum.

wait how lol

What did I say there? I dont town read him. I think it was a typo.

He is probably scum!!

ASK ME QUESTIONS OR PRAY THE PRICE.

So, if your post has been misconstrued, then you should have no problem voting for Creature then?

But why push Nico, isn’t it beyond obvious yet that her hard investigative claim is believable? If I have misconstrued your Creature read, I apologize, however it still doesn’t explain bad Nico push.

[Nancy Drew 39]

TBG post has convinced me that one or both TPF/GIF has to be scum and the there’s no way on hell it isn’t TPF, so irrespective of Creature flip, I want that slot dead d3.

[the worst]

i'm only gonna have like 5 scumreads max at any one time, my arrogant scum PoE pool will include some weaker townreads

You feel better about random then me?

(sort of ignoring everything else today, sorry)

yus

[the worst]

How do yuo feel about their case on Random-Creature?

bad

[the worst]

My AA9 townread btw is 98% strength.

I simply don't believe that scum AA9 won't make the plays like she did here.

throw me a couple of examples of what scum AA9 wouldn't do? I think she is often too easily misread as scum but I'm not seeing the usual town motivation I see from her here. her associations are kinda sketchy too

FTR in my experience with her I've correctly read her as town once and replaced into a slot she had which I correctly townread so I take sorting her relatively seriously here

[the worst]

sick btw so I'll keep up to date but expect a few days of super low energy from me

[GuyInFreezer]

That was my answer

Oh nvm I read that as "I'm still here"

[GuyInFreezer]

You did play with AA9 before, right?

[the worst]

Me?

[Reality Check]

Idk

Probably?

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw I'll come back to this and read properly tomorrow.
Try not to end the day until I do so

I'm totally not stalling the creature lynch, I promise
I think that slot can go.

So you plan to vote for him then?

I don’t believe you’ve answered this yet.

@GuyInFreezer, why haven’t you answered this yet?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am okay with lynch too. Creature is most certainly not scum.

wait how lol

What did I say there? I dont town read him. I think it was a typo.

He is probably scum!!

ASK ME QUESTIONS OR PRAY THE PRICE.

So, if your post has been misconstrued, then you should have no problem voting for Creature then?

But why push Nico, isn’t it beyond obvious yet that her hard investigative claim is believable? If I have misconstrued your Creature read, I apologize, however it still doesn’t explain bad Nico push.

Are you planning to vote Creature or not?

[GuyInFreezer]

@GuyInFreezer, why haven’t you answered this yet?

I managed to miss both questions.

Is he at L-1?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@GuyInFreezer, why haven’t you answered this yet?

I managed to miss both questions.

Is he at L-1?

I don’t know, you should ask @RadiantCowbells .

However, that doesn’t really answer my question. Why does this influence your vote?