Lovers Mafia: The Heterosexual Revolution (Game over!)

[Shadoweh]

Except he was getting wagoned way before he claimed all that. <_<

##Vote: camn

[DTMaster]

Interesting. Camn dislikes the current order of lynches. I notice there's a trend where you always direct away from you even though you subjected yourself to putting yourself to the rope. I have to head to bed now, but I would like to consider this conditional lylo so don't just toss those votes around. It supports the final team to be Camn/Vjay. I need to finish that reread.

[DTMaster]

Ojanen. Why are you still defending KMD's playerstyle as townie when you know hes your mason buddy? I feel like... this is a slip.

[DTMaster]

Gah Camn vote changing actually is a town tell. What is this shenanigans?

[Ojanen]

Ojanen. Why are you still defending KMD's playerstyle as townie when you know hes your mason buddy? I feel like... this is a slip.

uh...what?
really, what the bloody hell are you talking about?
i can't parse this at all, unless you meant the lists of who knew about nightless, which had absolutely nothing to do with me "defending" anyone's playstyle; it was just a list to show why i thought knowing about nightless was a pretty good indication of having something about it in your role pm, and why i thought it could be an indication against Pere. the only point of that paragraph was pere.
even if you meant that it has still nothing to do with playstyle though.
so what on earth does this question refer to?

[Ojanen]

also, after all your setup speculation i want to hear an answer to this:

@DTM:
2. if we were scum and not masons, the balance would be: 2 scum pairs (one immune to investigation), 1 scum-town pair, 4 vanilla town pairs and 1 male-cop-vanilla pair.
if the 2 first lynches are on town, it's lylo. and the only pr the town has is a cop that will get a false positive on one of the males in the scum-scum-pairs (also the cop must be lynched with his town lover to verify any results).
that sounds harsh for town to me. no?

[Ojanen]

vijay, who is scum?

[Kmd4390]

Camn, do you think shadow is scum?

[camn]

Not Shadow. DTM.

I am OK with Shadow finishing off the game.. I just feel like if DTM makes it to Lylo as scum, it is a personal victory for him

Pluss.. MattP! Did he really escape my crushing anger by replacing out?

But I will admit.. Vijay could be scum.

[DTMaster]

@Ojay
1. You're using "nightless" to explain why KMD, Pine, and yourself to be town to contrast how PereV is more likely scum. As an argument against PereV at the time: you can't say that KMD/Yourself are more town because you didn't know it was nightless. You need to use other players like Pine.

It's called being conformationally biased because

you two are masons

, which should be the real reason why you auto think Kmd-town. Saying that you and KMD didn't know it was nightless helps supports your towniness and sets up a PereV-scum suspect is misleading. Saying that people who knew that the game is nightless is scummy is also misleading

because on page 1 SC has the rules up

The preferred voting method is to put vote tags around the player's name, but I will still accept the old method of bolding the word "vote" followed by said player's name, e.g. VOTE: StrangerCoug or Vote: StrangerCoug. As long as I can tell to whom you are referring, spelling does not count and I will accept abbreviated or otherwise shortened forms of the name of the vote's recipient. I no longer require unvotes. This is a nightless setup, so No Lynch is not an option.

It's on the front page.

The reason why I think it's a slip, is because you used both yourself and KMD as an example as towniness in the argument about being ignorant to the nightless setup. That makes no sense as an argument. I wasn't here to stop it in media res of the lynch wagon, but the whole idea that your lack of knowledge to the setup makes you more townie on top of your mason claim reads as if you've forgotten that KMD is auto confirmed.

Calling KMD more townie after the fact you think he's auto confirmed makes no sense to me. As if you forgot you were masons, and this was a slip of the tounge.

2. No that's not harsh. We know that Dayne/Maffjify is scum. ActionDan

would have gotten a 2 for 1 positive result if he copped Dayne

which balances out any GF mechanics. And this would make for the perfect mafia gambit to claim masons since guess who encouraged the biggest mass claim effort (Dan) so scum could better get a handle of the setup.

Want to talk about harsh? This game is harsh for town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=14367

Town Hider confirmed Mafia GF because you know, hiding behind an "innocent" player doesn't kill him. Fate-GF scum won the game because of that.

[DTMaster]

@Camn
-_-. So the basis of the case against me is a personal attack? And MattP points which I can't really defend his play style since this was brought up waaaay back on Day 1. Hurrr deer.

[camn]

Not personal, my peach!
Its a compliment. You are WAY less scummy than Matt.. who was ringing my scum-bell like you wouldn't believe.. . but you certainly have the skills to be NOT SCUMMY as scum.
So, if you ARE scum, I will kick myself for falling for your play. I should have stuck with my instinct in re: Mattp.
If you are town, lynching you is just as risk-free as lynching me... because I will lynch Vijay before I lynch Ojanen.

Of course, if Ojanen is scum she deserves the win.

[DTMaster]

Except 2 double scum teams balance out masonry's so the order of lynches do matter in this case. That's if I believe in them. Points repeated before.

[camn]

If that is true, since I am town, you totally must die.

[DTMaster]

Revelations that come from "your scum lynch" don't make sense Camn.

[camn]

Your face doesn't make sense.

Truth is- Im not sold on there being another scumpair....
That said, I am kind of split, 50-50, on you vs. vijay as scum. I think we have an autowin either way, but there is the seed of doubt. So, as a default, I figure I should probably be alive as long as possible so as to have the one person I really trust casting a vote in endgame.

[Kmd4390]

DT, I'm pretty sure ojanen's point on the nightless thing was more the fact that those who didn't realize it ARE CONFIRMED TOWN to her. It had nothing to do with a read on me.

[Kmd4390]

Oh and camn. Shadow will vote DT in endgame if you and vijay are town, so we're fine.

[DTMaster]

But Pine is dead. Saying a confirmed dead guy is town doesn't make sense either AFTER the Fact. Unless Ojay said it before Pine got lynched (which makes sense then).

@Camn
My face was scarred in a horrible accident that twisted my nose to the back of my head. HOW DARE YOU HURT ME SO.

[DTMaster]

Well actually Ojay was constant with the Pine thing now in a quick reread. Eh. EH. Gonna take a break. Obviously I'm crazily rambling again and need to mull things over.

[Shadoweh]

Oh and camn. Shadow will vote DT in endgame if you and vijay are town, so we're fine.

Unless you have a complaint against the masons, it doesn't matter what order we do this in. Literally unless you agree with DTM you are just stalling and not dying like you should have yesterday. <_<

[DTMaster]

KMD is a mason Shadow. He can't stall his own lynch for obvious reasons. >>;;

[Shadoweh]

Uhm, that is probably unclear. I am quoting KMD's post for my agreement. The statement afterwards is directed to camn.

[camn]

You clearly arent following my point.

From a metagamesmanship perspective, Mattp-hypo-scum-slot cannot live to endgame. Replacing out as scum should not be rewarded

And besides! You dont need MY vote..

[StrangerCoug]

Vote count on the next page.