Micro 792: Three in One (Day 6)

[Gamma Emerald]

I just realized NM threw to get into the last game and I'm gonna fuck him up for it

[Mathdino]

Yeah I'd like to know what I could have done differently to persuade town. I let my frustration get the better of me and you took full advantage of it. Yes you WK your TRs but the timing context of it was so obviously agenda driven.

I'm definitely impressed anyway.

Would love suggestions on how to improve my town cohesion skills. I felt pretty steamrolled and I knew it was coming but my flip should've made Math the autolynch today or so I thought.

i just wish i'd been around exactly at daystart to make it completely unbelievable that i was anything but cop

it should've made me the autolynch, yeah, but that's exactly why i prepped the copclaim when i realised there was no way i'd survive a game with both you and smart

cases are scummy, meta is trash

the paragraph i listed was probably your best point, but most of the day you instead hammered what was essentially a "math shouldn't be scumreading me, what a bad push, why's he metaing me"

which is really easy to paint as OMGUS, and reminded everyone of NSG last game. plus gamma correctly picked up on all the hints that i was genuinely scumreading you since "predatory" is a real scumtell i've dropped elsewhere with gamma present (although i misused it this game in hindsight)

i think getting involved in the 1v1 and even interacting with me in the first place was your downfall, since it made you look like the aggressor and the one blowing up the town

[Not_Mafia]

I was actually leaning Math at the start of the day and I wanted Penguin today

I too want to lynch Smart

?

Post claim I initially believed Smart, I forgot I'd posted before the claims

[Not_Mafia]

I just realized NM threw to get into the last game and I'm gonna fuck him up for it

I didn't, I thought it was Smart because of his avoidance of Penguin lynch, plus I had a game where I was scumreading Math and it reminded me of him in this game, that game just finished and he was town

[CheekyTeeky]

i don't play scum enough tbh

but yeah i started modifying my play after you wrote that case specifically to not get caught on this shit. i was in full on town mode in lylo

I should've ripped apart every post in our 1v1 but I was too frustrated to think clearly and Easter was taking up a bit of time. On me for not trying well enough...although I get the feeling people weren't really reading anyway.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I'll tone back angry posts and replace them with well thought out logic in future. Although now you guys know my level of emotion is AI for me - though I rarely get confident enough to say doubt=zero these days.

[Mathdino]

i don't play scum enough tbh

but yeah i started modifying my play after you wrote that case specifically to not get caught on this shit. i was in full on town mode in lylo

I should've ripped apart every post in our 1v1 but I was too frustrated to think clearly and Easter was taking up a bit of time. On me for not trying well enough...although I get the feeling people weren't really reading anyway.

post by post analysis just makes you look like a supertunneller tho

you had basically 2 rock solid points, don't let them get drowned out by the bad points. i think the weakest part of your push was actually exactly when you went super tryhard, because you accidentally included a bunch of confbiased bad points (which I can just refute while ignoring the good ones)

my case on NSG yesterday was literally 1 single point that was super drawn out, which is why i rhetorically beat her. she was trying to engage me on a post by post level but i kept repeating the same point

not ALL OF my posts were scum indicative, but a good few were, and the ones that were were SUPER scum indicative for me

i think had you disengaged yourself from the 1v1 aspect and instead repeated the scumtell posts, you would've gotten your support

[Mathdino]

Yeah I'll tone back angry posts and replace them with well thought out logic in future. Although now you guys know my level of emotion is AI for me - though I rarely get confident enough to say doubt=zero these days.

i was impressed

solid-ass reads for sure

the only player i've gotten that confident on is NSG

[RedFlavor]

Yeah I had no idea about PR tells, speaking about PR's would make it look like I am not afraid to get killed because Im not PR but...

Well played

[Something_Smart]

I had this feeling before the game started, but this round definitely made me more confident.
The elimination system amounts to victim blaming; it punishes people for the poor scumhunting (or good scumhunting, if they are scum) of others. I believe I played well this game-- called out one scum and then checked the other-- and I'm obviously very annoyed by the result.

Unfortunately, while the game concept is cool, I can't really think of a good way to punish the people actually at fault, since it CAN be (though it usually isn't) that someone's lynch is truly their own fault. Maybe a possibility is to have the town members vote on the LVP's if they lose? Feel like that may lead to toxic behavior though.

[Something_Smart]

And Cheeky played well too. Forgot to add that part.

[Mathdino]

I completely agree that the responsibility for lynches lies primarily on those with bad reads

[Not_Mafia]

I had an idea for running a version where you have however many judges/co-mods who decide who gets eliminated from the losing faction

[Something_Smart]

That's not a bad idea.

[CheekyTeeky]

/prein NM

[RedFlavor]

/pre in NM

[Errantparabola]

Unfortunately, while the game concept is cool, I can't really think of a good way to punish the people actually at fault, since it CAN be (though it usually isn't) that someone's lynch is truly their own fault. Maybe a possibility is to have the town members vote on the LVP's if they lose? Feel like that may lead to toxic behavior though.

I realized this pretty quickly as well and there is a lot of room for improvement.
There's definitely a lot of ground for different implementations and I'd like to see this idea worked with

[Errantparabola]

Mod thread
Scum thread
Vengeful starts tomorrow.

[Mathdino]

lol i just closed the tab for gamma emerald's wiki page

i was scanning gamma's and smart's completed PR games to see if and how they crumb

i'm definitely making that MD post on how not to be an obvious PR

hey EP i can talk about the completed portions of 3 in 1 right?

[Errantparabola]

Yes. Sorry, I think I had some trouble with internet or something. Anyway I'm on my phone right now.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 5.0

Not Voting

(5): RedFlavor, Not_Mafia, Mathdino, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to achieve a lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2018-04-12 21:26:00)

[Gamma Emerald]

ohai I see supp seems to be happening

[Not_Mafia]

Yo yo yo

[Mathdino]

I should've played more vengeful and fewer lover's games last weekend lol

I have a couple ideas

Although wishful thinking really makes me wanna lynch penguin for that potential solo win lol

[RedFlavor]

Penguin, did llama get fired because he did not put otter?