Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[Dwlee99]

You thought I phoned in my scum games...? What? Besides geriatric (which was a combination of IRL and being irrationally mentally restricted by the post cap) I don't think I've had even bad scum performances. Pokemon my play wasn't great but only reason I ended up limmed when I did was cause I got cop checked

[Dwlee99]

you're right my bad, it wasn't a 100% exact match, it's really unfortunate that my entire point rested on the games being exactly the same and not that they were just examples to support a general point about your approach and attitude in games

but luckily i found a better scum game that matches the circumstances much more closely:

viewtopic.php?p=13394870&user_select%5B ... #p13394870

Also can someone double check if Fire does this kind of snark as town. I don't recall it but I don't have time right now to comb through past games

[Val89]

Dwlee, can you give me a quick paraphrase of what you think Cakez reasoning on Dunn actually is?

One of the issues I have with SirCakez is I thought the way he treated pushing Dunn on D1 was worth at least an eyebrow raise ("dunn is scum because meta", "prove it", "I could easily", "go on then", "actually, I have different reasons now", etc).

I don't feel like I have a good reason to townread Dunn, and it is true that I would consider SirCakez most likley town on a scum!Dunn flip (and vice versa), but it's my belief that of the two, SirCakez is more likely to be scum. I don't know how I ought be reading you currently either, so if you are saying Cakez has convinced you Dunn is a good wagon here, helping me understand why might help me with both objectives.

[fireisredsir]

Are the only posts fire has made about or in response to dunn. Feel like fire is just trying to push me without actually engaging with the Dunn wagon, and his posts about Dunn consist of things like "teehee what if I townread dunn for a bad reason"

Anyway I'd expect you to talk about Dunn cause I'm pretty sure he's the other main wagon rn so if you want to convince people voting Dunn to vote me you should engage with why they think dunn is scum and then convince them I'm more likely instead

these are different things, no?

talking about dunn vs talking to the dunn voters to convince then that you're scum

i mean maybe i misunderstood the original point but in that case i just don't think the original point is valid, idk why linking my posts about dunn is relevant when you're saying i should be talking to the dunn voters about you

[Dwlee99]

About Dunn or to Dunn. If you're talking to dunn voters about the Dunn wagon and why you think the dwlee wagon is better, then you would have to mention Dunn. So that would be about dunn still

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, can you give me a quick paraphrase of what you think Cakez reasoning on Dunn actually is?

One of the issues I have with SirCakez is I thought the way he treated pushing Dunn on D1 was worth at least an eyebrow raise ("dunn is scum because meta", "prove it", "I could easily", "go on then", "actually, I have different reasons now", etc).

I don't feel like I have a good reason to townread Dunn, and it is true that I would consider SirCakez most likley town on a scum!Dunn flip (and vice versa), but it's my belief that of the two, SirCakez is more likely to be scum. I don't know how I ought be reading you currently either, so if you are saying Cakez has convinced you Dunn is a good wagon here, helping me understand why might help me with both objectives.

Cakez point about Dunn is that Dunn had an OMGUS and derisive reaction to the push on him. This checks out across CONTROL where Dunn did it to Noraa (as The Three Bears hydra) pushing him

[Dwlee99]

Also fire if you have a post where you interact with the Dunn wagon without talking about Dunn at all then I'll look at it, but otherwise your point is meaningless because you won't have reached the new checkmark you claim should matter instead of what I'm pointing out

[fireisredsir]

About Dunn or to Dunn. If you're talking to dunn voters about the Dunn wagon and why you think the dwlee wagon is better, then you would have to mention Dunn. So that would be about dunn still

okay, idk i think i wouldn't really be tearing down their dunn suspicions bc why would i do that? i would just be explaining to them why i think you're scum

and yes i haven't really done that yet as far as i remember bc i haven't really had any dunn voters to talk to since it became clear those were the two main wagons, which i think was just last night. it feels like you're expecting something that there just isn't really any rational reason why it would exist given the context of the game and how it's progressed, which makes me think it's just a made up reason to try to discredit

i feel like you've played with me enough to know that im not really the kind of person to strongarm people into voting my scumread and tell them that my scumread is more valid than theirs. i kinda really hate doing that. the only time i can ever recall doing that is when i had a guilty

[Dwlee99]

Yea so you wouldn't strongarm you'd be seeking reconciliation. No I don't have the complete timeline, if it's only been 12 hours then yea sure but I see 400 post gap between now and your last thing about Dunn before this conversation and I raises red flags for me when I'm thinking about who could be partnered with him

[Dwlee99]

Also just gonna point out I think now you're moving the goalposts. (How exciting!) because your complaint was "it shouldn't matter that I wasn't talking about Dunn if I'm engaging with his voters" but now it's "it shouldn't matter that I'm not engaging with his voters because there hasn't been time to"

[Val89]

Cakez point about Dunn is that Dunn had an OMGUS and derisive reaction to the push on him. This checks out across CONTROL where Dunn did it to Noraa (as The Three Bears hydra) pushing him

I was in the process of writing a post in reply about how I thought the derisive reaction to the push was basically Dunn asking SirCakez to come up with the receipts, and Cakez basically being unable and saying instead "I have different reasons now"; but when I've hit the ISO to give examples and re-read, I think I might have misunderstood the point myself.

I will look again.

[fireisredsir]

Also just gonna point out I think now you're moving the goalposts. (How exciting!) because your complaint was "it shouldn't matter that I wasn't talking about Dunn if I'm engaging with his voters" but now it's "it shouldn't matter that I'm not engaging with his voters because there hasn't been time to"

thats because i was more interested in how i felt your point was not logically sound than about how it didn't necessarily apply bc the way in which you make the point is more relevant to your alignment and i care more about sorting you than defending myself

[Dwlee99]

What did you get out of it on that front

[fireisredsir]

not a ton tbh, im still not really convinced you believe it to be a good point that applies to the current situation but i can at least see a world where you could see it as a valid one

i don't think its like an especially towny reaction overall but at least you seem to somewhat have a read now

[Val89]

@Dwlee; I'm looking at the combined ISO for Arcade Pals and The Three Bears, and I'm not seeing this derisive OMGUS you described. Looks to me like Dunn was voting the hydra well before the reverse, and Noraa (baby bear?) didn't have a lot to say on him or Arcade, but it's a huge game to sift through. Help me out with a post number?

I don't think this looks like slaughter hour Dunn. He was way more apathetic there.

In Slaughter Hour Dunn was scum who I spent a good amount of time pushing before he got killed
...[snip]...
then he IMMEDIATELY responds with OMGUS and starts trying to discredit me
EXACTLY what he's doing here guys

SirCakez using the same game to reach two different conclusions on Dunn's alignment is a bit odd, too, no?

[Dwlee99]

Dunnstral replaced in on his main before this interaction happened. Can't give you post numbers rn

[Val89]

Still can't find it, but I don't know if I know what exactly it is I am looking for. No obvious OMGUS, nor derision, is in evidence.

[Rhyme and Reason]

Why would this ever happen? I mean sure if you wanna just guess who I'm on tonight, but I'm not announcing it in thread.. like you had a perfectly good offer from marci to twin with you, when you explained your role, you just said "someone" by you going "I want Kovu" excuse me? So am I gonna die if you correctly guess my target, probably can't self invictus so maybe I just go on you? like, someone said this was a scum role in the first, and if town!you had this role, I'd assume you'd haven been right with RR day 1 going "yeah lets invictus the 2nd wagon!!!" that doesn't out this at all. I don't see why town!you would claim it like you did, and then go "I want to twin with Kovu" WHAT EVEN??? well, have fun guessing my target then.

what a bizarre response. what makes you think it's something bad? and if it really were a kill, Luke would be outing themself as scum by targeting you, which they presumably wouldn't do given the good position they seem to be in...

-Reason

[Lukewarm]

I want to twin with Kovu.

Why would this ever happen? I mean sure if you wanna just guess who I'm on tonight, but I'm not announcing it in thread.. like you had a perfectly good offer from marci to twin with you, when you explained your role, you just said "someone" by you going "I want Kovu" excuse me? So am I gonna die if you correctly guess my target, probably can't self invictus so maybe I just go on you? like, someone said this was a scum role in the first, and if town!you had this role, I'd assume you'd haven been right with RR day 1 going "yeah lets invictus the 2nd wagon!!!" that doesn't out this at all. I don't see why town!you would claim it like you did, and then go "I want to twin with Kovu" WHAT EVEN??? well, have fun guessing my target then.

Kovu, are you even reading my posts? No clue why you jumped to the idea that you would die.

Also, I am novice, meaning I could not activate night 1, the thing about R&R does not even apply.

It does not make sense for me to twin with a scum read.

Anyways, off the top of my head I could kill:

Cakez, mala, gorilla, dwlee or dunn here I think.

Thinking about who I should twin with -

it doesn't actually make sense for it to be any of those people

.

Before I outed my PR, I considered trying to twin with Bell without revealing my PR

@Bell

You being presumably a friendly neighbor (or something similar) but hitting up Baltar instead of me makes me sad.

I'm struggling to figure out your reads this game.

If you had a day vig shot, where would it be?

But, turns out he does not have any strong scum reads.

So, I decided to go with you instead.

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The bit was twinning with Marci was never going to happen. When I was entertaining the idea it was as a reaction test to marci, which I quickly revealed.

[marcistar]

The bit was twinning with Marci was never going to happen. When I was entertaining the idea it was as a reaction test to marci, which I quickly revealed.

*falls to the ground, crying*

why do you hate meeeee

[Lukewarm]

The bit was twinning with Marci was never going to happen. When I was entertaining the idea it was as a reaction test to marci, which I quickly revealed.

*falls to the ground, crying*

why do you hate meeeee

Just trying to win the game bestie

[marcistar]

*sob* *sob* it hurts so much..
*sob*
this betrayal... *sob*

[Malakittens]

I’m VLA until Friday morning until work calms the fuck down

[Enchant]

Ha crying anime girl

[marcistar]

*sob* *sob* this *sob* is why enchants scum *sob*

enchants enjoying *sob* a pretty girls misery *sob**sob*