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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:10 am

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unvote Spoon

At least you're talking now. Which reminds me...
Stewie wrote:Oh, me not posting here has nothing to do with this game, I haven't been posting in mafiascum too much on the last 3 days.

Anyways, I really have no suspicions right now, other than WW, but nobody seems to think so too, so I guess that the whole town+1 mafia can't be wrong.
Nope. Far too non-committing for my taste.

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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:07 am

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Well, we are down to 2 lynches left to find 1 mafia. Of course, we also have one no-lynch day so long as someone else doesn't get mod-killed. And yes I do believe that no-lynch has its place, when there are 4 people left and 1 mafia, no-lynch cuts down on the likelihood of the town losing.

For now, I am switching my stance from yesterday, we should wait for everyone to have their say, as another mod-kill is likely not in the town's favor. That said, that plus a few small inklings are why gslamm is taking up my attention more then anyone else, he just feels off with some of his posts (a bit too eager to lynch WW and to potentially end the day earlier).
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:20 am

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Where did you get that I was eager to end the day? Yeah I have a bad feeling about WW. Almost everyone has expressed some suspicion of him.

I've had a little suspicion of your wishy-washy attitude all game. Since I know your going to ask: Back on page one that table of join dates and your experienced mafia member speech -vs- " Anyhows, the whole 'mafia must have one experienced player' argument is crap." from your post on page 4.

Now you come out against me ? WTF. I'm really tempted to abandon my theory that cams killer was a relatively new player...
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:54 am

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Ok, I'm pretty new to this site, and mafia is played different from how I have played before, but am I the only one who finds Dragon Phoenix even remotely suspicious?

He has basically been making short, disinformative posts all over the game, and his voting pattern + the reasons for his voting make me even more suspicious:

- random
- following people against crap logic
- going back to random
- following people for it being day 1
- 'he didn't jump on the bandwagon'
- 'hmm... his posts make me think he is mafia'
- he isn't participating enough
- and neither is he

He voted 8 people, without much of a reason. That seems rather scummy to me. I'm tempted to vote him, but I will not for now, since I no one else seems to find this suspicious. However,
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:06 am

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He has basically been making short, disinformative posts all over the game
Please go back, read the game again, and support that statement. Lifting a few one-liners out of my posts does not support that statement.

Yes, I'm switching votes a lot. It's the name of the game. Prod here, prod there, and see what reactions you get.

I'm actually quite happy with your latest reaction. It smells fishy. Very fishy. I'm pretty sure that either you or Stewie is the remaining scum.

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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:19 am

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I disagree with spoon's logic, I don't think that's reason enough to think of someone as suspicious. I agree with DP about his vote being suspicious.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:39 am

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Yes spoon you are the only one that thinks DP is suspicious. Haven't we been over this?

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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:42 am

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Great... now I have to do a PBPA to prove my point... :(

You made 1 post on page 1:
Vote Stewie

For no other reason than that I will be a happier player of that godawful moving picture is no longer in this thread.
Short and disinformative...

2 on page 2:
I don't buy into the Mathcam bandwagon. If he were Mafia, he would not draw attention on him by mistakes that can so easily be avoided like guessing the game set-up where it is actually already stated. It looks more like one or more sum is trying to get rid of an experienced player.

FOS Mathcam voters
Ok, you're actually making a point here. Still, it is a short post, stating the obvious. The people voting for mathcam were scum/following crap logic.
Saigon wrote:And I think Dragon Phoenix may have a point. Unless he's mafia with Mathcam and is trying to protect him in an intelligent way.
Not so intelligent if this were true - that only worked the first few games. Unless I (still supposing we are both scum) play the card that everyone knows that an experienced player would not support a co-scum this way. Which degrades to the I know that you know that I know.... type of argument.
Not much to make from this. The fact that Saigon said this means little, since it was a 'unless' thing, and could be a cover.

4 on page 3:
How about not?

Non-posters are autmatic mod kill fodder. Let's try to lynch someone else.
Stating the obvious in a short post.
Is this really a modkill or a Saigon joke? There is NO mention of 'edited by..', although that could be because it could have been edited within a few minutes.
A Saigon joke? I don't know Saigon, but that's going a bit far for a joke, really. Once more, little relevant information.
Fair enough, thanks for pointing that out.

*makes note to keep on checking page 1 every time he visits the thread*
Just a thanks, no relevant information.
5-4-3-2-1....
Uhh... wow.

1 on Page 4 (I will count the doublepost as one)
unvote Stewie

vote NoIdea

for:

1. crap logic - there is no reason why there must be an experienced player in the mafia
2. bad application of crap logic - Saigon voted for me earlier on this page.
OK, now it's the previous page.
Just basically follwing people around. (Note that this is when he unvotes his random vote directed to Stewie.

2 on Page 5:
I'm falling back on my first choice now:

vote Stewie
This really makes me think 'yeah, sure'. Your first choice was based on him having an annoying avatar...
unvote Stewie, vote Mojo

I don't find the arguments against him very convincing, but it is day 1.
And following the lynch mob once more.

3 on Page 6
Ummm... admitting stupidity is not a recommended way of playing in this game...
Short and no relevant information.

(next day starts)
Well, I'm least suspicious of Tigris and Spoon, because I think they would not have hurried to end the day and kill off their fellow mafia, who actually had shown up just before.

And for the same reason (not jumping on the bandwagon), I will

vote willowsweep
He presents us with reasoning he declares as false later, and votes for willows_weep. I have no idea why, really. Why him? Because he didn't jump on the bandwagon to lynch a townie?
I agree we should not rush the day. Yesterday we got lucky because one of the insuffiient posters turned out to be scum.
No comment.

3 on Page 7
unvote Willowsweep

I agree with Tigris - his recent posts simply do not smell of mafia. And if he is one, he deserves a compliment for that.

I need to re-read the thread.
He 'agrees' once more.
I have reread the thread. No clear insights, but plenty of gut feelings.

Note that scum Leonidas had made six posts:

Leo wrote:
vote: Spoon - 'cause there is no spoon... (random)

Leo wrote:
Sorry - late in this game too. Reading the thread.

Leo wrote:
Thanks for unvoting me, No Idea.
vote: no Idea - everything that has been said so far.

Leo wrote:
unvote: Spoon

Leo wrote:
vote: Darkblade

Leo wrote:
I know how tempting it is to refrain from posting in this game.
(It appears that stupidity is going to prevent us from ever reaching night 2 anyway).


The remaining scum might very well have interpreted that these posts were sufficient. This means that my initial reaction on the likely innocence of Tigris and Spoon is out of the window.

I can't exactly put my finger on it why, but gslamm's posts (and to a lesser extent Spoon) make me most inclined to think he's mafia.

Vote gslamm

Make that five posts, as I screwed up the copy/paste and quote inserts.
His last post was
vote: Darkblade

I know how tempting it is to refrain from posting in this game.
(It appears that stupidity is going to prevent us from ever reaching night 2 anyway).

However - Darkblade is really abusing the priviledge. And his name is still on the list of active players on page 1.

Instead of the two posts I made out of it. The point remains the same though.
He delcares his previous reasoning as false, and then decides to vote gslamm because 'his posts make him inclined to think he is mafia'.
unvote gslamm, vote Spoon

I'd like to see a bit more participation and a little more commitment from you than "no vote for now".
Apparently, now gslamm isn't very suspicious anymore, and making the non-posters post is more important. I was barely posting that little, and I wonder why you chose me. However, even weirder is that you suddently don't go after gslamm anymore and jump on me.

And two more on page 8
unvote Spoon
At least you're talking now. Which reminds me...

Stewie wrote:
Oh, me not posting here has nothing to do with this game, I haven't been posting in mafiascum too much on the last 3 days.

Anyways, I really have no suspicions right now, other than WW, but nobody seems to think so too, so I guess that the whole town+1 mafia can't be wrong.


Nope. Far too non-committing for my taste.

vote Stewie
Now that I have actually posted, he jumps on to the next non-poster.

Now, the final post:
I'm actually quite happy with your latest reaction. It smells fishy. Very fishy. I'm pretty sure that either you or Stewie is the remaining scum.
I have no idea why me being suspicious of you for reasons that seem legitimate to me is 'fishy'. If I actually were mafia, there would be no reason for me to go accuse a player I know as experienced of being mafia, while I can just as well hide out in the dark, waiting for the town to lynch the next innocent.

However, Stewie's post also strikes me as somewhat suspicious. You are very fast to follow DP against me.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:46 am

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Hmm... now gslamm is following as well. I don't understand why. I am presenting a legitimate argument. Even if I am wrong, that does not mean I am scum. Maybe I shouldn't tell anyone next time I find someone suspicious...
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:29 pm

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--Vote Count--

Spoon (2): Stewie, gslamm
Stewie: DP

Four to lynch, no deadline set... yet
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:29 pm

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Spoon, full marks for effort. Seriously. Although I hope you realise that this early in the game, anyone you analyse so thoroughly will come up with the things you find so questionable about me?

A few comments though.
Spoon wrote:He presents us with reasoning he declares as false later, and votes for willows_weep. I have no idea why, really. Why him? Because he didn't jump on the bandwagon to lynch a townie?
Eitgher you indeed completely miss the point here, or you try to misrepresent the situation. Anyone who tried to keep the day going at that point is supiscious,
because the other remaining scum (Leo) was in danger of modkill for insufficient posting
. Obviously, Leo's comrade had everything to gain by prolonging the day and giving Leo a chance to show up again and save his neck. At that time I took Leo's elimination as granted, only later when I re-read the thread (as I announced I was going to do) I found that Leo had made sufficient posts, but that Rite did not think those substantial enough.
Spoon wrote:Now that I have actually posted, he jumps on to the next non-poster.
I already explained my tactics shortly before that:
DP wrote:Yes, I'm switching votes a lot. It's the name of the game. Prod here, prod there, and see what reactions you get.
Just curious: what DO you expect from em or anyone else on day 1 and day 2? Eloquent long posts which clearly point out to you all who the mafia is?

And the gem:
Spoon wrote:If I actually were mafia, there would be no reason for me to go accuse a player I know as experienced of being mafia, while I can just as well hide out in the dark, waiting for the town to lynch the next innocent.
Thank you. That's exactly why the prodding method (which obviously inclues frequent vote switches) is often successful. I do NOT intend to allow people to hide out in the dark.

I'm still keeping my vote on Stewie though, because I find him more suspicious.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:45 am

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Dragon Phoenix wrote:Spoon, full marks for effort. Seriously. Although I hope you realise that this early in the game, anyone you analyse so thoroughly will come up with the things you find so questionable about me?
The only problem is that altough it is early in the game, it isn't game-play wise. We are near the end of this game...
A few comments though.
Spoon wrote:He presents us with reasoning he declares as false later, and votes for willows_weep. I have no idea why, really. Why him? Because he didn't jump on the bandwagon to lynch a townie?
Eitgher you indeed completely miss the point here, or you try to misrepresent the situation. Anyone who tried to keep the day going at that point is supiscious,
because the other remaining scum (Leo) was in danger of modkill for insufficient posting
. Obviously, Leo's comrade had everything to gain by prolonging the day and giving Leo a chance to show up again and save his neck. At that time I took Leo's elimination as granted, only later when I re-read the thread (as I announced I was going to do) I found that Leo had made sufficient posts, but that Rite did not think those substantial enough.
I understand your reasoning, but why did you pick willows_weep?
Spoon wrote:Now that I have actually posted, he jumps on to the next non-poster.
I already explained my tactics shortly before that:
DP wrote:Yes, I'm switching votes a lot. It's the name of the game. Prod here, prod there, and see what reactions you get.
Just curious: what DO you expect from em or anyone else on day 1 and day 2? Eloquent long posts which clearly point out to you all who the mafia is?
I would not in a normal mafia game. Unfortunately, this isn't. We don't have much time left to find out who is mafia.

Unfortunately, Stewie and gslamm also seem somewhat suspicious to me. Although it might be true that Stewie is just posting less lately, it isn't really a good excuse. Their latest posts strike me as somewhat odd, as I already explained.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:54 am

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rite, shortly before Tigris cast the deciding vote wrote:

Vote Count:
Mojo (6): EPR, tehgood, gslamm, mathcam, Spoon, DP
gslamm: willows_weep
Darkblade: Leonidas
EPR: Tigris

Seven to lynch
With Leonidas eliminated at the lynch, willows_weep was the logical candidate (active enough to vote, not joining the bandwagon to end the day). Note also that Stewie had not voted at all. Either because he was not around at the time, or... because he wanted Leo to survive.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:11 am

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I was going to vote for mojo, not to let leo live longer, but also to let everyone who hasn't posted enough in the game to post. Acknowledge that I did not know who was scum and who was town, and with so little posts by those people I couldn't really have any solid suspicions. out of 4 people that didn't post much (I didn't actually check, but knew that there were 4 or 5) I figured that the chances of one of them being mafia was low, and that they deserved more time. Of course, I learnt I was wrong when rite posted the end of day post. Believe me DP, as scum, I'd think 3 townies inactive townies for 1 inactive scum is a pretty good deal.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:10 pm

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Stewie wrote:Believe me DP, as scum, I'd think 3 townies inactive townies for 1 inactive scum is a pretty good deal.
Not if the situation at the time is something like 10 townies 2 scum reducing to 7 townies 1 scum.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:06 am

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My apologies for being breif. I will be at the casino today and tomorrow, and possibly saturday also. Wish me luck :wink:

I still think spoon is scum, so my vote stays there.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:23 am

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gslamm wrote:I still think spoon is scum, so my vote stays there.
Why?
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:19 pm

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Deadline imposed: 10:00 EST, Christmas Eve
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:33 pm

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--Bump--

Talk, kids.

Y'all suck :P
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:50 pm

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Wait why isn't DP suspicious? (to Glsamm)
What is the point of using foul language, downright rudeness, slurs, etc on a gaming site? This is really distasteful.

Forum rules and guidelines (letter and spirit folks)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14372
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:19 pm

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Why am I (to WW)?

I'm still happy with my vote on Stewie. Although switching to Spoon is an option before the deadline.

A bit more participation by some players would be nice though.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:11 am

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I didn't say you were scummy to me or suspicious. I was just asking why you weren't simply because of glsamm said you weren't.
Plus I wanted a bit of convo to start maybe? But I understand holiday type things or stuff like that
What is the point of using foul language, downright rudeness, slurs, etc on a gaming site? This is really distasteful.

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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:08 pm

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I would love to know why people are voting for me
before
the deadline...
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:16 am

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Spoon wrote:I would love to know why people are voting for me
before
the deadline...

It would be kind of silly to vote for you after the deadline.
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:10 pm

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Very amusing. Now, could you please explain why you are voting for me?
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