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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:30 pm

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Sorry about this. The majority of it was me just trying to replace people before day hit. if you're wondering about nightactions of the inactives, I would not make any assumptions either way about whether they did nothing/i picked randomly/i picked someone else off of mafiascum/scumchat to select for them.

You get to the hotel and Gabe Dunsirn takes you downstairs to the conference room. He sits you down, makes the same proclomation regarding food he did yesterday, then goes to leave. He stops at the door.

"You might be wondering why there are only eleven of you here today. Cavella's dead. Some fucker blew up his house. Killed him and all his little friends. He's dead because he didn't track down those fuckers wanting to kill you yesterday. I hope you take this as a warning that you guys better get a move on today and actually do something. These people ain't fucking around. "

The door slams.

Kabenon007, Angelo Cavella, the Prodigal, Doc/Vig
, has been blown up night 1

Benedict Jameson, the Bodyguard, Bodyguard
, shot repeatedly night 1

Considering the fact we need replacements, and it's during Christmas, unretractable deadline has been set for the new year. You have a month.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:11 am

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That turned out just about like I expected.
Vote: Spambot
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:37 pm

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Hi guys.

I've done a re-read and I don't see what you're getting at there Phate.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:00 pm

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thedragonprincess replaces Theopr.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:26 am

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In case you hadn't noticed, Kabenon and I both claimed powerroles yesterday. So it was to be expected that one of us would die tonight.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:06 am

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Hi everyone. looks like i have a bit to read so I'll do a readthrough then post my thoughts.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:57 am

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I'm here, and I'm re-reading.

Should have a decent sized post prepared for tomorrow.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:17 pm

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i think i need to reread
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:10 am

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ok sorry this cant be a really lengthy post but i gotta be at work in an hour. but i still wanted to give my thoughts briefly. In the early pages I got a not so good vibe from phate, but once i continued reading I think that he is simply trying very hard to back up the claims that he is making and the information he states. Especially Now that he has claimed a power role I think he is pro town. Next candidate is Spambot. Didn't say much in the early pages of the game but began making accusations and actions later in the game that made him appear rather scummy on first reading, such as post 100 where he voted for Kabenon for not hammering someone because he thought he was scummy. I agree with Yagami's backing him up-just because someone gives off a scummish vibe doesn't mean they are scum. All players give off a scummish vibe at one point or another. If I was going to vote for the first person I found acting scummish, I would have placed my vote on phate and been done with it. I wouldn't have moved onto the next suspicious person. I will post my other suspicions later but as I have to leave now I will leave with this
vote: spambot
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:07 am

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V/LA until Friday. =(
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:59 am

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is anyone even still participating in this game?
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:15 am

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Yes.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:36 am

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Well, I've reread and rereread, and I'm not seeing much. Right now the biggest thing I see is Spambot. Posts 98 and 100 are the first things to stand out, going after Kabenon for something I said as well in post 59. As kabenon points out, spambot got tunnelvisioned on him and ignored that I did the same.
Vote Spambot

Mod, can we maybe get some prods?
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:02 pm

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NO!
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:19 pm

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no what?
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:05 am

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I dislike the way this wagon is growing.
(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN

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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:23 am

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Are you back from V/LA?


I don't mind the way the wagon is growing. I dislike the fact that nobody has anything else to talk about.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:57 am

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Now we have some information about the NPCs. We know that Benedict Jameson, the Bodyguard, was indeed a Bodyguard.

We need to deduce whether or not it is safe to assume that
all
NPCs have roles which are similar (if not identical) to their descriptions in post 2.

I'm sick now, and I know you're probably all sick of me promising a reread and an analysis and failing to deliver, and for that I apologise. =(

Still, should recover soon, I hope!
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:17 am

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I agree with yagami- I think we need some prods. I would especially like to hear from spambot who has all 3 existing votes in day 2.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:44 am

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Hey guys, I'm replacing, and I'll be able to post by sometime tonight.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:24 am

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Kabenon, in 15, wrote:Also, in response to theopor, I am waiting for one of them to die in some fashion, that way we can see just how their pms are worded, and if it is possible they hold noteworthy roles.
So, guys, now that we have a dead NPC, how noteworthy is a Bodyguard?
groinhammer, in 24, wrote:Also bear in mind that NPCs have their own win condits. - surely we wouldn't want an NPC to win this game would we?
Just because NPCs have their own Win Conditions doesn't mean that they're all anti-town. With hindsight, it's obvious that the Bodyguard had a pro-town WC, but even at that, it seems a bit strange that you believe that an NPC winning the game is an inherently
bad thing
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CTD, in 31, wrote:
Unvote, Vote: kabenon007
An unexplained vote which went by completely unnoticed...
Zakarum, in 43, wrote:There are some that stand out i mean one of them is a drug baron.
Somehow feeling the need to confirm the fact that he can, indeed, read the first post.
Spambot, in 67, wrote:Also, that you were criticizing others for lack of content without going after scum first bothers me. You're showing now that you'll post a lot to defend yourself, but you haven't done anything to look for scum. I think being so self-centered and unhelpful is a decent scum tell.
I agree.
Phate, in 71, wrote:
You would be trying too hard to fit in and make jokes, like you're acting relaxed. It does look like you are trying to appear townie right now.
"You're acting too much like town, so you must be scum." Ladies and gents, it doesn't get much more WIFOM than this. Have you considered the possibility that I AM town, with a propensity for relaxed jokes?
"You're acting too much like town, so you must be scum" isn't actually what he said though, is it? "It does look like you are
trying
to appear townie right now" isn't actually a Too Townie argument because of the word "trying". What Spambot has is an opinion of the tone of your posts.

Let me clarify:
"I think that Alice is scum because, basically, all her votes have been in fairly unsuspicious places and her arguments are all conveniently well thought out."
This is a Too Townie argument, IMO, because it takes what are pro-town actions and illogically makes them anti-town because there's too many of them. However...
"I think that Alice is scum because her posts seem forced and look as though they're trying to broadcast 'I'M TOWNIE!'."
This isn't a Too Townie argument, since it's an analysis of the tone of a players posts, which is what Spambot has done above.

I've just wasted minutes of my life arguing what is, essentially, a small point. Still, possible misrepresentation on your part is a slight scumtell, so it adds a little bit more onto the evidence against you.
Spambot, in 106, wrote:No, you are being ridiculous. Please, please for the love of god give the scum the opportunity to come in and ninja lynch him. That would be fantastic for us, because we've caught two scum being incredibly dumb. Ninja lynching almost NEVER happens. That is an unrealistic fear for you to have, and it doesn't matter whether you think he's scum or the scummiest; you should have your vote on somebody. If you think he's scummy but not too bad, then what are you doing? Play the game and figure some stuff out.

You have now convinced me that you're scum. I think what is really going on is that you didn't want to be seen as bandwagoning on him or were waiting for the opportunity so YOU could ninja lynch him. I imagine that if another person or two had come in and placed those votes, you suddenly would have been very happy to hammer.
I agree fully with your argument in your first paragraph entirely, but your second paragraph seems to have some unnecessary aggression. It's enough to make me feel uncomfortable with this post...
Shanba, in, 118 wrote:
Unvote vote groinhammer
An unexplained vote which went by completely unnoticed...
Phate, in 128 wrote:For the record, however, I'm a town powerrole - just thought you should know.
"Town powerrole" is as generic a claim as you can get, and is only really useful as a cover for scum to prevent a counterclaim.

So, overall:
FomS: Spambot
as winner of the "It's not what you said, it's the way you said it" prize. I seem to be agreeing with a lot that he's saying, but I can't help but feel unsettled by his aggression.
Vote: Phate


Now, to all the new people:

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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:00 am

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If you want me to claim, put me at L-1.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:43 am

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um...sorry I dont have that post yet. Primate has failed to tell me who i was replacing so its kind of hard to post.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:11 pm

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Ok, apparently I'm replacing groinhammer. so, things that stood out to me are as follows:

The first post that really stood out to me was post 60 by shanba. It just seems that he is going WAY out of his way to justify his vote, first of all. I mean, its day 1. You dont need to give two meta examples to back up a vote. Second, he's drawing a false conclusion from the evidence. I myself joke all the time as town, so its really up to playstyle, I think. fos: shanba. Phates response to this is also pretty overblown, linking to three games. Then shanba backs down. Both scummy posts, but the fact that shanba backed down so easily after coming on so strong reads to me as distancing. But its hard to say without knowing the alignment of one.

Spambot then jumps on the Phate wagon, coming late to the Joke-issue party. essentially accuses phate of being overdefensive/trying to hard to look town (scumtells I've never considered to be valid). So not necessarily scummy, but of note for later.

Shanbas subsequent defense of phate from spams main arguments reinforces the phate-shanba link I talked about earlier. meanwhile, tyhess practices class A active lurking.

After this Kabenon phate and spambot deck it out, and I'm pretty sure I agree with Phate on most of the points. His playstyle seems to react to pressure in a similar way to my own, and thus I can definately see him town (see mini 495, 486).

As the game continues, spambot gets really jumpy for a while. Kabenon comes in and makes a few weird points regarding role pm disclosion, and bot jumps all over it when it really isnt that scummy. phate calls him out on it.

Dragons of summer shows up, declares kab the scummiest for weak reasons. shanba discreetly changes away from his phate vote without reasons. Now phate decides to vote kabenon, but at deadline he at least switched back over and didnt vote to kill the claimed doc.

So, conclusion: spambot is the scummiest, and shanba has made some notably scummy posts and for this I am suspicious of him. I'm also suspicious of SSF for pressuring the phate claim, which is really unnecessary at this point, and only helps scum. Also, phate seems town to me thus far, except what i view as a small connection to shanba. for now,
vote: spambot
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:16 pm

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