Newbie 1916: Epic Music [Game Over!]

[TemporalLich]

@TL have you read 159?

Just in case you missed this

thanks, yeah my accidental waffling on reads was almost fatal

[u r a person 2]

Mate, I don't think you're really trying to evaluate this game. You agreed with me about Roomy, didn't give any supporting reasons, and don't seem to realize that the entire basis of my read had been seriously called into question just posts earlier.

Is there a thought process you can share to help explain why this comes from town?

Spoiler: quotes spoiled for space

On the other hand, it's townie that you read town play articles at all (mastina's?). Especially considering as scum you could have benefited more from reading teacher's article on scum play and could have used it to push paranoia at his slot.

@roomy actually, your play is pretty darn good if coming from first time scum in their first forum game

have you read previous games on this forum or any of the scum play articles?

like you pointed out, I read a lot of mastin articles too. some of them were more directly focused on scum play, but I feel like her writings are mostly on topics that apply to both alignments abstractly; the interactivity tell article I talked about earlier is a good example. they're tools for town and things to watch for in your own play as scum.

I think it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point. There is no scum play article by teacher. I'm having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't go looking for it

and im having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't say anything about not being able to find it given two opportunities.

could be a false positive but like.... it's probably not

one exception would be if roomy and teacher are both scum together, but given my town read on teacher, seems pretty unlikely.

@roomy are you town reading Lich? Or just not ready for the day to be over?

tbh @person I thought you were just referencing the big list of "how to play well" articles teacher posted in his IC intro, which have plenty of good scumplay articles, but anyways.

I'm inclined to believe person is town despite the instant vote against me.

His entrance shows initiative and he analyzes everyone.

I think it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point. There is no scum play article by teacher. I'm having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't go looking for it

and im having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't say anything about not being able to find it given two opportunities.

could be a false positive but like.... it's probably not

one exception would be if roomy and teacher are both scum together, but given my town read on teacher, seems pretty unlikely.

@roomy are you town reading Lich? Or just not ready for the day to be over?

I'm inclined to believe you, and yeah scum roomy and teacher is not likely.

Teacher almost hits the "probably town" zone of being townie.

[TemporalLich]

Mate, I don't think you're really trying to evaluate this game. You agreed with me about Roomy, didn't give any supporting reasons, and don't seem to realize that the entire basis of my read had been seriously called into question just posts earlier.

Is there a thought process you can share to help explain why this comes from town?

I've been mostly trusting my instinct to be honest. If I die today, then I probably shouldn't play Mafia ever again.

Roomy also seems instinctual, and I just don't see anything that would suggest roomy to be mendacious (which is fatal, btw)

[roomy]

@person if your townread on me was entirely based on your gambit (?) I'd argue that it shouldn't have existed in the first place. I'm not exactly convinced by your arguments towards Lich; I think that he could be "inclined to believe" your statement that "it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point" without needing to take your thoughts on me into account. and if you're just figuring out now that he's skimming...

[u r a person 2]

@person if your townread on me was entirely based on your gambit (?) I'd argue that it shouldn't have existed in the first place. I'm not exactly convinced by your arguments towards Lich; I think that he could be "inclined to believe" your statement that "it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point" without needing to take your thoughts on me into account. and if you're just figuring out now that he's skimming...

Considering you asked me for a read on you earlier and I gave you one, I think it should probably be pretty clear to you that I was talking about the post he was quoting and agreeing with.

[Emperor flippyNips]

I'm leaning toward a Skellen/CatStar scumteam

Is this a gut feeling or do you have something to back it?

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1.7

TemporalLich (3): Skellen, u r a person 2, Emperor flippyNips

[L-2]
CatStar (2): Birdy, TemporalLich [L-3]
Birdy (1): CatStar
Emperor flippyNips (1): roomy

Not Voting (2): Clemency, teacher

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-02-18 11:05:00)

Spoiler: Vote Change Tracker/Vote Links Day 1

teacher -> Clemency, TemporalLich,

Unvote

CatStar -> Birdy
u r a person 2 -> CatStar, TemporalLich
roomy -> u r a person 2,

Unvote

, TemporalLich,

Unvote

, Emperor flippyNips
Emperor flippyNips -> Skellen,

Unvote

, TemporalLich
TemporalLich -> roomy,

Unvote

, CatStar
Skellen -> CatStar,

Unvote

, TemporalLich
Birdy -> CatStar

Spoiler: Wagon Change Tracker Day 1

TemporalLich (3+0):

roomy

,

teacher

, Skellen, u r a person 2, Emperor flippyNips
CatStar (2):

u r a person 2

,

Skellen

, Birdy, TemporalLich
Birdy (1): CatStar
Emperor flippyNips (0+1): roomy
Skellen (1-1):

Emperor flippyNips

roomy (0):

TemporalLich

u r a person 2 (0):

roomy

Clemency (0):

teacher

Note: Birdy is prodded. They have 24 hours till (expired on 2019-02-14 16:00:00) to respond to this prod.

[roomy]

I’m sure I’m missing something but I’m not quite sure how what you said relates to what I said, person?

[u r a person 2]

I was referring to the entire read as laid out in the post he quoted, is what I was trying to convey. not my entire read as in my entire understanding of your slot

[roomy]

gotcha, thanks. makes sense

[CatStar]

TL... I'm irritated. At this point their play is anti town, regardless of alignment. Just not sure if playstyle or alignment indicative. Happy with their lynch today if noone else starts sticking out, but plenty of time left so not voting yet to avoid quick day end.

@skellen: I don't have any strong scum leans. I got it I think 100% wrong in my last game, and decided someone was scummy on day 1… then saw everything they did through that filter. So now trying town hunting instead!

Liking urap entrance, feels strong and townie.

Flippynips.... Can't call town. Looking to see how they engage in next couple of days which will firm it up either way.

Birdy... See what happens. Bit funny they voted me to 'pressure activity' and disappeared.

[TemporalLich]

I think I might discard my reads and start over.

[teacher]

can we pause the countdown til we get a replacement?

[Frozen Angel]

Replacing Birdy who failed to pick up their prod.

can we pause the countdown til we get a replacement?

If at the time I replaced someone in less than 2 days were remaining, I'll add 24 hours.

[roomy]

on mobile, but I’d like to get some others’ impressions of Nips. I don’t understand his “everyone is playing to their meta” response to my pointing out that he was playing to his self-described scum meta. ??? I don’t think that’s a very solid tell in itself, but his weird shrugging off and then asking a softball question towards Lich after I had called him out for it is just so scummy to me. plus, he’s had plenty of time to “go through the thread,” it’s 7 pages without many walls. His ISO is pretty much entirely him avoiding pressure and giving nothing back in return.

[roomy]

the not very solid tell in itself was meant to refer to Nips describing his scum play and then playing in that exact fashion, for clarity

[Emperor flippyNips]

I was pretty brain dead yesterday. I’m not as spacey today so let’s do it

@roomy basically I was trying to say that if you were scum you’re currently doing your meta the whole point is to blend & hunt as if you’re town. So maybe it comes off scummy me coming in a late & dropping my vote on lich its whatever he’s scummy & either way isn’t helping the game progress. I’m trying to progress the game so yeah I’m starting to ask questions. I was super lazy last night so I didn’t go thru the thread I just read the current page & stayed caught up.

[Emperor flippyNips]

So I’m getting townie vibes from skellen everything they’ve said strikes me as town
I have a town lean on teacher, roomy & Person
I’m null on catstar Clem & birdy I need more from the birdy slot which is getting replaced so soon.
Clem in our last game I auto read as town and kinda get the same vibe but we’ll see how the game progresses
& have a scum lean on lich due to him constantly changing his reads, it seems like he’s trying to throw out his read in every direction trying to see what sticks with people which doesn’t seem to be working. I do think there is a small chance that he could be ubernoob town but at this point it’s just seems to me that he’s scum.

[TemporalLich]

I'm not sure what to do at this point...

If I don't make it to D2 there's no hope for me

[u r a person 2]

if you're town, you need to start reading the game and trying to figure out who town is and who scum is.

if you're scum, well, carry on =)

[Emperor flippyNips]

I'm not sure what to do at this point...

If I don't make it to D2 there's no hope for me

Multiple people have told you how you can change & play better as town if you are.
I suggest doing what they said. There’s enough stuff here for you to be able to read through and have more than just gut reads, you need to be able to show what you’re feeling at least partly

if you're town, you need to start reading the game and trying to figure out who town is and who scum is.

if you're scum, well, carry on =)

but yeah carry on

[u r a person 2]

Huh, suddenly my entire world is denim and lint.

Flippy, are you wearing jeans right now, mate?

[u r a person 2]

@flippy can you go further in your clem read? or your skellen read?

[TemporalLich]

I totally missed "posts" in my own self meta. So here's a hasty and careless PbP. Nobody likes being careful in this game, so this is most likely gold.

UNVOTE: Lewis
VOTE: TemporalLich

wanted to get this in before bed — weird comment above, after going so far as to unvote me because he “didn’t want to be on a town’s wagon” — note the language there, it’s assured (re: my comment earlier about scum knowing alignment) — I don’t think that’s a straight up scumslip but that earlier level of confidence combined with the above waffly post is sketchy enough for a vote for me.

Lich, what changed about your reads on skellen and I? what about Clem gives you a town read?

I'm giving roomy town points for this, that analysis was almost perfect. The comment about the RVS unvote is good. Though, I wouldn't want to vote roomy regardless if roomy is towny.

teacher also has town points for excellent grilling skills tempered with wisdom.

I am indecisive if chaotic neutral or chaotic evil with this one. His posts after #72 didn't looked better.

Leaning scum here since this is probably a convenient trap used to smear me. Not sure what D&D alignment has to do with the game, so to be safe I'm calling it scummy.

Good start so far. I like where this game is going
Right now I've got town reads on skellen, teacher, and catstar. The first two are pretty obv!town and I liked catstar's thought processes in 80

clem I want to town read. he agrees with me on skellen, good. Paranoia about teacher is pretty meh tho. Teacher feels to me like the type of player one should just allow to be obv!town until he's eloquently pushing a bad argument. I haven't read any of his scum games, but his play is too effortful to replicate as scum without making some ill-considered arguments along the way. I agree with teacher that with time clem will be easier to read by play more than by tone/early content

not town:
emp - not much here yet. good note by teacher on his comment that scum tries too hard. Entrance post is bad, too
birdy - another possibly scum indicative entrance post. I didn't like his 77. I'm also town reading skellen, but his reasons feels fabricated. It's page three. I don't know why town would make the conclusion that *any* slot is unpushable? 78 is a little better even if i disagree

and i do

lich's slot is the scummiest slot in this game.

VOTE: lich L-1


Btw guys, I had a great game with loopdan just finish - newbie 1915. I think he's /in'd for nsg's mini theme game as well if ya'll are interested in a redux

Nice entry! Instinct and analysis are the perfect town combo.

Skellen tries to defend her vote in 167 saying the question wasn't even a question and continuing to push the idea I'm scum. Scum probable now. No buddies as of now.

CatStar is lean NAI.

If I haven't said anything about you here, you're neutral.

[u r a person 2]

Could you talk more about how Skellen might have been trying to trap you?

this is a p townie post