SD iso 1 wrote:How would a discussion on the lineup help you determine if Crypto is scum?
Potentially a weak distancing attempt early on. Let's give crypto a little bit for this.
SD iso 4 wrote:@Baltar: So now after Crypto has answered: What did his answer tell you about his allignment?
Wow, more speaking on crypto's behalf. Let's give him a little bit more for this.
SD iso 5 wrote:Of course Crypto is thinking about the setup - you asked him to do so. But how do you consider asking him about the setup scum-hunting?
@Crypto: Seriously: No idea. I am trying to find out what he was up to.
This was kind of a weird discussion that I don't really remember happening. I'd write it off except for the fact that SD flipped scum and crypto is still alive.
SD iso 9 wrote:unvote. cote Anti
Mimicing Fate and hot air is not enough.
This is still very early into the game. The wagon at this point was LL, Sim, Fate, and now SD. Knowing that SD is scum, of course this isn't genuine. I think this really begins to establish a connection between them though. There were several other different votes cast at that point.
SD iso 26 wrote:I seriously don't know how some people consider Jarti's last post a town-tell... It explains his previous rather dispensable question to the mod a bit, but that is completely null...
Either trying to egg on a mislynch or trying to distance a little more here. It's still noteworthy.
SD iso 28 wrote:I got some bad vibes from Con, Sim and Jarty.
I am also a bit suspicious of Percy and Alma right now...
And after reading Ythill's and LL's strategy arguments again I am still convinced that Ythill's proposed tactic is the best, since most stable, tactic...
I'll elaborate on it tomorrow, good night.
Oh, here you go. Here's a little nugget of scumhunting deliciousness.
You can look at this a couple of different ways. There's surely one scum in that group of five, he lists as suspicious, but that's not going to help us much at this juncture given that four of them are still alive.
Now, would he hide his buddy (or buddies) in the "bad vibes" or the "bit suspicious" category. Usually scum just want to give their buddies a touch of suspicion, but, based on my level of involvement in this game, I'm betting that this post makes Jarti look worst of all.
Another thing to note is how I'm not on this list (despite the fact that SD ends up voting me for nearly the entire D2 & 3.
SD iso 29 wrote:That Baltar waggon needs to stop.
I coulds see Percy as scum, his reasoning to jump on that waggon felt really stretched to me.
Connection points to both VPB and VV.
SD iso 30 wrote:I don't know. I still like the Anti waggon, but that's not going to do much in the near future as it seems and Percy and Conc, though derserving more pressure, don't even have a waggon O_o. So I'll join the Alma waggon
This reads to me like misdirection. I do not see an AGM-SD partnership in the cards. I think this was another mislynch attempt (like Anti was).
What's better about this post is his blurbs on Jarti and Percy. Both of them look like potential connections. He's really riding Jarti pretty hard though, which makes Percy look a little more likely as a partner...
Of course his other partner is undoubtedly in his supposed current town reads (essentially the players he's not mentioning). Either VPB, Fate, crypto, or LL.
Long story short. One buddy is between Equinox/Concission, AGM, VV/Percy, and Mae/Jarti, and the other is between VPB, Fate, crypto, and LL.
I've been beating around the bush, but I'm officially ready to declare a Fate/VPB partnership dead. It just doesn't make sense from what I'm reading here of SD. I just don't think he'd mark both of his partners as super townie. In VPB's case, he lays it on super thick. Calling out the people who are voting him as well as speaking on his behalf against crypto early in the game. With Fate it's more subtle. It's like there's an
unspoken alliance
between him and Fate, heh.
SD, let me test my theory... what's the next noteworthy thing you say?
SD iso 32 wrote:But Baltar is still town, Ythill...
Bingo.
This is really starting to look less and less like an SD-VPB partnership. This is just way too thick of a connection he's setting himself.
SD iso 35 wrote:And my scum reads were listed in no particular order other than how the names dropped into my consciousness. Right now I wouldn't put Jarti into my top three.
This is a weird backpedal on Jarti. Hmmm... I think this is enough to bring Jarti back up to the same level as VV/Percy once again. For those keeping score at home. VV/Percy and Mae/Jarti are leaving AGM and Equinox/Concission in the dust. The former two look much more likely to be partners than the latter two.
SD iso 37 wrote:@Alma: I hope you post soon. The further progress of this game dependends a lot on you right now.
Coaching? Eh, I'll give it some acknowledgment.
SD iso 44 wrote:Woow... Looks like I missed quite a bit... And I see an Alma post. An its quite a long one :\ On first read I see quite some things that need commenting. But I'm too lazy to write a WOT now. Maybe tomorrow.
Unvote
. for now.
This doesn't look too good either.
He didn't even address AGM's post. He just says that he'll unvote him "for now".
Ugh, this is throwing me off a bit. AGM is looking a little more likely to be a buddy now. I still don't see any Concission connection at all though.
SD iso 53 wrote:If you have as much cloes meta of Baltar as you claim, could you somehow convert that knowledge into some coherent line of thought, that could explain your case to otheres (or at least me
) without the need of a deeper knowledge of his meta or to read one of those games?!
This was too Concission, but this just lends greater support to my theory that SD and VPB were simply too close for comfort. Bringing up VPB as a townread in every other post is forcing the point.
SD iso 54 wrote:Luck's making way too much of a show out of everything :\ Not sure what to make of it, yet...
This is half-assed. Gives more support to a possible LL connection. If it's broken down like I think it is, now we're at something like...
Fate >>>>>>>>> LL >> crypto >>>>>>VPB
and
Mae > VV >>> AGM >>>>>>>>>>> Equinox
SD iso 60 wrote:Call me overfocussed, but I also don't like how RC lapses onto VV's half baked cases.
I don't remember this point. I don't even know what he's talking about. VV and I agreed on Fate, but I don't recall ever "lapsing" onto anymore of his "half baked cases". I bring this up because this makes VV slightly more likely of a partner (trying to tie a townie to his partner).
SD iso 66 wrote:Hmmm... RC's attack on Fate feels forcefully stretched.
Yeah, I'll bet. SD hardly every mentions Fate in his posts. The few times he does, it's either fluff or it's him talking about someone else's relationship to Fate. He did this with me here, but he also did this with
Antihero a couple of times and now me. He's not talking with Fate directly. He doesn't want to have to call him town. Compare this to someone like VPB or LL. VPB he bring up every other post, constantly defending his honor. This originally sidetracked me, I think, and got me thinking there was a connection between them. Now I see SD just wanted there to be a connection between him and VPB. In LL's case, he's giving a more traditional "could be scum, could be town" thing. There could be a connection here, although I think it's more likely in Fate's case.
SD iso 68 wrote:Fate is about 80% Fate and 20% good points (even more so since he gave up on his 2-liner-policy) which probably means he is 90% town (metaphorically speaking that is, not exact numbers) with the 10% missing being my doubts if I can read Fate at all...
He's starting to bring up Fate a little more, but this is still the first time he has actually given his opinion on Fate himself directly (as opposed to the indirect method I mentioned above). Remember though that this is around the time that someone (me) actually starts calling out Fate. I don't think Glados has yet, but Fate was actually posting a lot more around this time.
SD iso 79 wrote:@Baltar: Your assumption that scum would neccesarily claim a PR is naive at best, especially considering the lynch mechanic which would give scum another day on the guillotine... And the tracker, which Sim could have been, considering that you considered him town, would also have claimed VT, just to get that one track in instead of being NKed right away. And a simple CC of any lesser town role would hardly have hurt town but scum would nonthelless have been confirmed becuase scum would obviously not CC a claimed town PR. But that's not even the point at all.
The point is that you pressed a claim and hence a sure lynch on some one that you considered a townie although you knew that it would mean his doom. And that is smething I cannot make any sense of from a townie PoV.
This is kind of a weird 180 in his reads, but, spoiler alert, SD ends up still calling VPB for sure town before he dies, so I'm not going to let this influence me much.
SD iso 81 wrote:IN CASE NO ONE NOTICED: CONC MADE A STUNNING 180° TURN FROM OPPOSING A CLAIM TO APPROVING IT, OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT EVEN REMEBERING HER EARLIER OPINION.
IN CASE NO ONE NOTICED: THIS BIG ALL CAPS COMMENT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ME THINK THAT CONCISSION IS SCUM CONNECTED TO SD.
SD iso 82 wrote:AGM was a good lynch yesterday and still is today, but never my top suspect. How is my waggoning him scummy? Even if it's not the first time?
You know, I kind of forgot to include this in the earlier part of this post. SD and AGM aren't buddies. There was a time earlier in the game where that was a very reasonable conclusion, but given the fact that he tried to sneak a lynch on him (and there's no way no how that you can convince me that SD didn't know what he was doing), AGM really has a lot going in his favor.
SD iso 84 wrote:Baltar is still town - hell annoyingly erratic town - but still as town as any big accumulation of buildings.
Yay! My theory is getting more and more evidence. SD is just keeping on with the "VPB is town" schtick. Anyways, I've known there were at least two scum (I said there were possibly three during D3, but that was more because I really knew one of them were scum and was willing to take the mislynch if we could get them both... I realize now that was probably not the best direction to go because now VPB is sold on Fate as town, in part, I'm sure, due to my stubbornness) in this SD-VPB-Fate triumvate for some time now. I'm just waiting for this town to get a damn clue.
I couldn't decide who was worse, but reading over SD in isolation clearly points to Fate.
The harder question is who the third is.
SD iso 96 wrote:So yeah... AGM was scummy scumscum, is scummy scumscum and remains scummy scumscum.
unvote. vote AGM
Heh. More evidence that AGM is town.
SD iso 98 wrote:About Fate lynch... I don't know. I don't really trust my early town read on him, but I still have it, the last few pages of terrible WIFOM were a lot over the top, though... Still not at all a reason to not lynch the really scummy guys...
Oh, wow. Wow, wow, wow.
Can you say backpedaling? It's like everything he ever had to say about Fate is so completely artifical. Now he's defaulting on the, "could be town, could be scum" routine.
SD iso 105 wrote:Scum team: AGM + RC: Fate already mentioned a million more damn good bloody reasons than I would ever care to do for even the slowest of you to get bith the individual scumminesses of those two as well as the obvious connection.
And here Fate is town again, I guess. So, even though SD "doesn't really trust his early town read" on him, He's absolutely right about an AGM+RC partnership?
SD iso 105 wrote:Third scum: Whaddafuk do I know. Some one along Maem/LL/Conc (in that order of likelihood).
Somewhat townsomethingelish: VV, Crypto
The third scum is definitely in here. Going based on my theory that there's a scum in one group and a scum in the other group, you can rule out LL and crypto. Again, this points to my earlier suspicion that the third scum is either VV or Mae. They're both virtually tied here.
SD iso 111 wrote:VV looks really worse now.
And his voting behaviour draws a strong connection to RC scum. He's expressed some suspicion of fate since ... I think even D2, why has he withheld his vote so long?!
However, both Alma's and LL's votes on Fate are also both super scummy...
Eh, maybe a last ditch effort to get VV lynched? It could go either way, but this doesn't read like a VV-SD partnership. Still giving the edge to Mae.
