Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[Riley Cake]

nooooooo!!!! you guys gobbled up sesqy!!!! SESQ IF YOU'RE TOWN WHICH IS PROBABLY THE CASE!!! I'LL GET REVENGE FOR SURE!!!

[Toto]

It's a pretty bold claim to throw out that my reads have never changed and then just leave it there, with no proof or anything.

You had same reads since you joined. Hawk and Sesq. You also suspected magna but never said you scumread him and never voted him.

Enjoy.

[Toto]

Oh and don't forget your opportunistic jump on Lowell. A wagon lead by one of your main suspects.

I can understand Neb cause he was a doctor and didn't want to get lynched. But you?

[Hiraki]

It would be pretty weird if I TR'd Hawk in D1...oh! I did! (930) MoI's reaction in 1238ish (I quote it around ISO 67 - phone posting for twilight) soldifies that SR so thanks for letting me look back.

Never voted MoI because none of you suspected MoI. Started to distrust myself. If you're going to imply that not voting confirmed scum on the lynch that took less than 24 hours was scum intentioned, then I have nothing more to say.

Your description of the Lowell wagon is a crude mischaracterization of the facts. With a 40+ D1 and a stalemate between Sesq and Nebula, did you expect me to just throw my hands up and vote Sesq? Because that's dumb - vote MoI who multiple people had town reads on and definitely couldn't get a wagon on? Nope,that's pretty dumb too. How about lynch for the sake of getting reads? That's pretty normal - optimal would be this lynch on D1 but that's OK. What's not OK is the implication that it was somewhere that was perfect for my vote.

I SR you for a lot of D1 but you've been pretty consistent in that VI read. I'm glad you are definitely doing your due diligence (by reading) and definitely being objective in your reads! It's truly showing!

[Hiraki]

I'm very glad we're having this discussion in Twilight though! Good to know that the person who wanted to talk the most starts pretty big discussion about my play after the hammer!

[Music Box]

Also, if it flips Red, someone must have bussed Sesq at some point. So think about that too. (i.e. Hiraki / MB)

You mean one of the two who've been most consistent in wanting her lynched the whole game?

[Toto]

Wow. Now you want to talk to me after having responded one liners or non-answers all game. Are you nervous?.

[Toto]

Also, if it flips Red, someone must have bussed Sesq at some point. So think about that too. (i.e. Hiraki / MB)

You mean one of the two who've been most consistent in wanting her lynched the whole game?

Yes.

[Hiraki]

No, I still don't want you to talk. I'm just telling you how absolutely absurd your arguments are.

[Toto]

That is talking. Thats the longest post you had as answer to mine in the whole game. Why do it now and not before?

[Hiraki]

Because you've never said something that looked convincing that was also just as absurd. I'm glad you've taken the time to refute my arguments, if they're wrong, and are not trying to attack me on

actually responding to you

[Toto]

It would be pretty weird if I TR'd Hawk in D1...oh! I did! (930) MoI's reaction in 1238ish (I quote it around ISO 67 - phone posting for twilight) soldifies that SR so thanks for letting me look back.

Never voted MoI because none of you suspected MoI. Started to distrust myself. If you're going to imply that not voting confirmed scum on the lynch that took less than 24 hours was scum intentioned, then I have nothing more to say.

Your description of the Lowell wagon is a crude mischaracterization of the facts. With a 40+ D1 and a stalemate between Sesq and Nebula, did you expect me to just throw my hands up and vote Sesq? Because that's dumb - vote MoI who multiple people had town reads on and definitely couldn't get a wagon on? Nope,that's pretty dumb too. How about lynch for the sake of getting reads? That's pretty normal - optimal would be this lynch on D1 but that's OK. What's not OK is the implication that it was somewhere that was perfect for my vote.

I SR you for a lot of D1 but you've been pretty consistent in that VI read. I'm glad you are definitely doing your due diligence (by reading) and definitely being objective in your reads! It's truly showing!

Are you frustrated because Im attacking you for bad reasons?

[Hiraki]

Yes. They are not thought through and they are not accurate. That is

literally

the point of the post you just quoted.

[Toto]

K, I just read 930 and the first part seems doubcast Hawk but you do townread him in the end.

If Sesq is red do you think someone bussed? (I.e music box?)

[Toto]

Music box seems to disagree.

[Toto]

Your description of the Lowell wagon is a crude mischaracterization of the facts. With a 40+ D1 and a stalemate between Sesq and Nebula, did you expect me to just throw my hands up and vote Sesq? Because that's dumb - vote MoI who multiple people had town reads on and definitely couldn't get a wagon on? Nope,that's pretty dumb too. How about lynch for the sake of getting reads? That's pretty normal - optimal would be this lynch on D1 but that's OK. What's not OK is the implication that it was somewhere that was perfect for my vote.

You leaving Sesq wagon was what really made the wagon unfeasible on D1. Bbt was the only other person leaving sesq on that wagon too.

Elena did vote MoI btw. Do you think that was town dumb too? or was there an agenda there?

[Toto]

Actually didnt you used to think me+sesq were scum partners back then? Why leave sesq and join a counter wagon with me and magna?

[Hiraki]

What part of 2 days left and neither Nebula or Sesq were going to be lynched doesn't make sense to you?

You're acting like I voted thinking that I was 100% happy and thought it was the BEST lynch of the day.

[Toto]

How the fuck am I supposed to know if you are happy? Two days left is a looong time and you shoukd know that based on your join date.

[Toto]

And Sesq wagon was larger when you joined Lowell. If I remember correctly.

[Hiraki]

You've already stated that Lowell's posting is not very detailed. Lowell has not made any big splashes between these two posts. However, now you are taking him seriously because...?

Additionally, while you do ask for sources, you then shift the blame onto another player as if Lowell should just scumread both of you. Again, here are the quotes for the baby:

I also agree with 1067. If Sesq isn't happening,

How can you tell if I was happy with a lynch?

BY READING MY POSTS

And Sesq wagon was larger when you joined Lowell.

Yup! But I'm sure you knew that it was by one vote that wouldn't matter at this point right? Oh! And that Sesq and Nebula were between L-3 and L-1 for...

33 pages

[Toto]

And Sesq wagon was larger when you joined Lowell.

Yup! But I'm sure you knew that it was by one vote that wouldn't matter at this point right? Oh! And that Sesq and Nebula were between L-3 and L-1 for...

33 pages

Why wouldn't it matter?

You were one of the major forces behind a Sesq lynch on D1. Your vote change was

PIVOTAL

in making 1) Sesq's D1 lynch not happening anymore. 2) Making Lowell lynch the only viable alternative.

You keep saying that Sesq's lynch was not going to happen but

it was your vote change that made it so.

Ok, so you were not happy about the Lowell lynch and would have prefered Sesq instead.

Yet you joined the counter wagon with me and magna. Magna who you thought was scummy, and me who you thought was Sesq's partner, your primary scum read.

And what information did the lynch gave you? Why didn't you vote me or Magna on D2 after lowell flipped green.

Where were you wondering in the thread if we derailed the wagon?

(also, see how I learned to use

italics

,

bolds

, and

underscript

at the same time)

[Hiraki]

I'm not arguing with you if you think that changing my L-4 or L-3 vote 2 days before the deadline is unreasonable.

I noted this in my ISO. It confirmed my suspicions and we had Nebula alive.

[Toto]

I don't think it's unreasonable in general. Please do argue my points.

[Hiraki]

Nope, I've conceded. If you think that changing an L-3 vote 2 days before the deadline for an acceptable wagon is bad then there's our grievances. Glad to know that again, you started this conversation in Twilight and that it stemmed from me "never changing reads"