Micro 759: Tarot uPick III - Game Over!

[Yetichain]

What did you check? Pretty sure NK15's claimed role targets someone since they crumbed targeting Dunkers, but his role doesn't really make sense on scum anyway so if they're scum I'd assume it's a fakeclaim.

gara being scum explains why they were reluctant to commit to jailing me N2. Why would acid have jailed Dunkers instead of killing? To fake an almost guilty on a player unlikely to have been the NK target?

I'd still prefer Porkens today, but the argument for gara is good.

[northsidegal]

so, in the world where acid is scum, why would he jailkeep someone night one instead of killing? the thought just occurred to me: earlier in the day he was asking for someone to chat with (ie someone to neighborize). at that point in the game he probably expected that, going into night one, his partner would still be alive and would be performing the kill (given that jabarkas was a ninja). again assuming that scum can't kill and use their action in the same night, i think it would be kind of a large point of suspicion against acid if he didn't end up targeting someone night one, given how much he had talked about it.

ehh, maybe i'm confbiasing myself on this one, but i hope not.

[northsidegal]

faking a guilty is another potential reason, and so is avoiding the tracker that jabarkas mentioned in his dying rant, although those points aren't garaputo specific.

i was looking at this post for nk15:

Ok...
Only claiming my card(s) on further request:

I am a
1.self-sensing ascetic. I know what is intended to hit me at night, and last night no one visited. Sadly, no one fell for the trap and claimed visiting me.
2.Dead-Neighbourizer. If you look back at my ISO when I was about to be hammered I made some posts related to that (1. Dunker 2.No contribution=sus)
Dead-Neighbourizer means that I neighbourize someone upon my own death.

Why do you think massclaim helps town here?

Because Jarbakas( who was scum) didn't want a massclaim, and I think that indicates that scum have to lose something to a massclaim. Whether it is info or sth else, dunno.

i don't think there's anything here about targeting people.

[Yetichain]

Yeah, maybe targets after death instead of at night.

[garaputo]

I agree with your logic that it seems reasonable to conclude either scum did not submit a NK 2x or they couldn't act and submit a NK at the same time. I see no reason to believe anyone is lying about their role at this point, and NK15 claimed pretty early to risk lying given we have a rolecop. I don't know what else may exist in this setup that I'm unaware of, but I know this line of thinking is leading you towards suspecting the wrong person.

That being said:
I'd much rather you lynch me today and then lynch NK15 tomorrow than whiff on the lynch today and come after me tomorrow.

[northsidegal]

although avoiding a tracker is still kind of an acid/garaputo specific thing – given that porkens is novice and nk15 doesn't target anyone, both of them would only be seen targeting one player. even if that player was the nightkill it might still be reasonably explained by some role. if acid was tracked while jailing someone, however, he would have been tracked to two different people, which would probably confirm him as scum.

i'm not really sure that's something acid would have thought about though, and if acid made a kill i wouldn't see why he would jail anybody anyways, given that we didn't really have any roleclaims. we know that he had limited shots, so maybe this point is meaningless in that if acid was killing he wouldn't have jailed anyone in the first place.

[northsidegal]

okay.

VOTE: garaputo

[garaputo]

Get NK15 tomorrow ok?

[post=garaputo]garaputo[/post]

L-1

[garaputo]

Ugh. VOTE: garaputo

[northsidegal]

by the way, has anyone actually asked ffery if scum could do the two things simultaneously? if not,

@mod could scum perform the factional kill and use any role actions they might have simultaneously?

[Yetichain]

Interesting point. I don't think she'll answer since it's not in the OP, but worth trying I guess.

Ugh. VOTE: garaputo

I also "ugh" at dramatic self voting.

That's so tempting but I would still prefer Porkens today, and reconsider gara tomorrow if we mislynch.

Get NK15 tomorrow ok?

Maybe make a stronger argument? I'm feeling less and less like lynching NK15 every moment.

[garaputo]

The ugh was about the consistent failure to format posts properly.

If you don't vote NK15 tomorrow I wash my hands of the loss, unless you are the last scum Yeti, in which case, well played.

[northsidegal]

i read this as more of a saving throw of wifom than someone so convinced that nk15 is scum that he'd self vote. the strength of the read expressed here:

Something about Porkens play makes me think they are actively trying to puzzle out the game. Same with Yeti. Today I've strongly felt NK15 is basically like "lynch not me, but I don't care whom" which isn't exactly what I'd expect from someone who can die and still win the game.

is not consistent with the strength of a read that you'd be willing to die for if town sheeps you on.

[garaputo]

I guess you don't undershand how I think then. I have the ability to die and not lose, I do not think NK15 does. It's simple poe to me.

[northsidegal]

huh, just realized that i've been assuming yeti is town this whole time. that's probably bad.

[garaputo]

Yeti is probably the towniest of the non-me towns.

[garaputo]

Literally my first strong town read of the game was based on post 138 - I do not see scum Yeti making that post.

[northsidegal]

if garaputo isn't scum then it's yeti (going off of night actions). if porkens is scum who gambitted no-killing then *shrug*.

hopefully it's garaputo so i can be absolved of my poor play the rest of this game.

pedit:

Yeti is probably the towniest of the non-me towns.

that's just me thinking in terms of night actions there. keychain has definitely fooled me before, so i guess i would put more weight into the night actions than into the daygame.

[garaputo]

Look if you all see a live NK15 tomorrow, lynch NK15. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

[northsidegal]

to clarify, both garaputo and yeti have explanations for, if they were scum, why there weren't any kills outside of deliberately doing so. for yeti it's targeting dunker night one thinking that nk15 was softing hiding behind dunker (as she described to nancy. she also still believes the targeting part of this, as seen in 1800), and for night two it's being jailkept.

she did apparently roleblock dreal night one, although i need to check if we ever confirmed that at all.

[northsidegal]

Look if you all see a live NK15 tomorrow, lynch NK15. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

why? there are a lot of things that

just don't make sense

if nk15 is scum (oh no, i'm sounding like myself in open 700). i know that you said the same thing applies to a lot of people, but that's a really weak defense.

[Yetichain]

Don't think roleblock was confirmed.

Literally my first strong town read of the game was based on post 138 - I do not see scum Yeti making that post.

Uhh, why not?

I guess you don't undershand how I think then. I have the ability to die and not lose, I do not think NK15 does. It's simple poe to me.

But NK15 wasn't trying to push people to vote Porkens earlier in 1766, he was going for further discussion on players not under pressure and then wanted the "rest of the votes", even though there was a good chance they would be on him. That seems townie to me. That's what I asked about earlier and you gave a general response.

NSG, I'm town. You, as either alignment should hammer NK15. If you are town, I think he must be scum and we win the game.

If you are scum and he is town, you should be able to get my lynched tomorrow no problem.

please.

This seemed like panic to me though when Porkens was at L-1 though.


Argument for gara scum is good.

Intent to hammer garaputo.

if garaputo isn't scum then it's yeti (going off of night actions). if porkens is scum who gambitted no-killing then *shrug*.

hopefully it's garaputo so i can be absolved of my poor play the rest of this game.

If gara isn't scum and Porkens and I are both alive tomorrow, we can go from there.

I feel similarly about the second sentiment, I've been phoning it in a wee bit up until now. Ah well.

[garaputo]

Look if you all see a live NK15 tomorrow, lynch NK15. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

why? there are a lot of things that

just don't make sense

if nk15 is scum (oh no, i'm sounding like myself in open 700). i know that you said the same thing applies to a lot of people, but that's a really weak defense.

I know it in my bones that if you were scum, you'd have lynched (someone) by now. Between Porkens, Yeti and NK15, it's not even close who to chose. Just look at NK15 today, that's all you really need.

[garaputo]

Go ahead Yeti - good luck tomorrow.

[northsidegal]

looks like dreal couldn't confirm one way or the other whether he was roleblocked, although thinking more i wonder if keychain would claim a roleblock on him when she didn't know if that was true or not. so hopefully i'm right about garaputo.

my exact role is seeking neighborizer

my other cards are balance and death

I am also an idiot and I want to go puke because I just went and looked at my PM to make sure I had the other cards right, and my seeking neighborizer role is DAY submission and I submitted at Night

I'm really pissed at myself, I don't typically make such mistakes, what the fucking fuck

blehhhhhhhh

pedit will read all of that in a second