Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[Aristophanes]

Tl;dr

@Realeo
If you want to have a chance at winning, Shoot KMD tonight.

You don't have to claim scum as I have if you don't want to, but please confirm this is your plan by either hammering Fitz, or by acknowledging this post.

[Aristophanes]

Fucking solid pagetop!!

[havingfitz]

Scum just needs to shoot who they think the other scum is. Any agreement to shoot the same player only leaves room for one scum to lie for the win. At least Ari has claimed.

So who of kmd and Realeo is scum Ari?

[Kmd4390]

Unvote

I wanna wait for realeo and see how this plays out while I digest Aris' claim.

[Kmd4390]

Ok. Typing while I think.

Aris is proposing that he and Realeo both shoot me. What that would do with Havingfitz being lynched is leave a 1:1:1 in which Realeo and Aris decide whether to shoot each other so town wins or one of them shoots me so that they win alone. There's almost no way this ends in a town win that way.

If we no lynch and they both shoot me, not a whole lot changes.

Havingfitz, help please. I'm stuck here.

Aris, who was the N1 kill? Just curious.

[havingfitz]

Havingfitz, help please. I'm stuck here.

UNVOTE:
I'll vote myself again. No isues with that.

So if there is a tomorrow just NL.

If scum don't want town to win they risk losing to the other scum team or ending in a draw? Not sure what the mod do if it turned into Groundhog day.

Are you scum Realeo?
Why is KMD not scum? I've suspected him more the Realeo.

[Kmd4390]

Technically, the Groundhog day scenario ends the game in a happily ever after. There's a wiki article on it. That's kind of almost no fun, but we all pretty much know each other's alignment already. Town doesn't benefit by lynching scum. And scum's best move is actually to agree not to kill each other. It's an awkward endgame.

[havingfitz]

we all pretty much know each other's alignment already.

I'm slow. How do we know who the 2nd scum is?

I do not see how the Happily Ever After scenario is avoidable without one of the scum teams fcuking up and shooting town/ Any agreed to shot on a VT leaves open the possibility of one scum team member screwing the other team over for the win. So scum can't trust each other and have to shoot at the opposing team to ensure they are duped into a loss. At least neither scum team wins. I do not see how a 1 on 1 on 1 scenario is possible.

[Kmd4390]

Well, I guess from your PoV you don't. But Aris and I seem to both have it figured out and obviously Realeo will know what's what when he gets here.

But yeah, you're right. Opposing factions working together or actively deciding not to is the only way we end up with winners and losers.

[havingfitz]

I do not see how the Happily Ever After scenario is avoidable

Meant to say "is achievable".

[Kmd4390]

Meh. I guess we'll just see what happens.

Still curious what Realeo has to say though. More info can't be a bad thing.

[Realeo]

Game theory dictates that I should shoot you

However

VOTE: fitz

Yeah. Deal.

I shoot Kmd. You shoot fitz.

Fitz was the NK target.

[Realeo]

Scum seriously have sucked shooting. Pathetic.

N4 kill is intentional.

Aristo needs badly to shoot town to remotely have any chance to win.

In another side of the coin, If I shoot Aristo, I cannot push mislynch with presence of Alisae.

[Realeo]

Shoot KMD. I also will shoot KMD

What the hell is this. Mafia cross kill cancel each other!

I shoot KMD. You shoot fitz.

[Realeo]

Don't you remember N1?

[Realeo]

From everyone, why we agree to shoot Io?

[Kmd4390]

So which of you is fire and which is ice?

[Kmd4390]

Also you guys do realize that your only chance to win is to shoot each other and hope the other doesn't, right? Shooting town doesn't help you.

[Realeo]

Oh wait. fitz is dead so lol. Yeah. I have to shoot Kmd.

@Kmd

We shoot you. The kills cancel. We lynch you.

[Realeo]

So which of you is fire and which is ice?

Alisae was bullseye. I was Fire.

[Kmd4390]

Oh wait. fitz is dead so lol. Yeah. I have to shoot Kmd.

@Kmd

We shoot you. The kills cancel. We lynch you.

How's that work? Your teams both win? Or is it a draw?

If both win, there's nothing havingfitz and I can do except no lynch, but you guys can still figure it out. If it's a draw, that's pointless. I'm assuming you've already asked the Mod and it's both scum teams win though? Otherwise, shooting town would make no sense for you.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Fitz

Thanks Realeo!
I'm glad we could with this out!

[Kmd4390]

*sigh*

[Realeo]

I'm assuming you've already asked the Mod and it's both scum teams win though?

Better.

I checked the wiki.

[Realeo]

Our winning goal is to be 1/2 of the size of the people.

In a {Aristo,Realeo}, both wins since both is 1/2 of the size of the people, which is 2 x 1/2 = 1