Mini 1953: XP Mafia (Game Over)

[gerryoat]

Happy thanksgiving to all. I'm super full.

[Srceenplay]

Happy thanksgiving to all. I'm super full.

Ditto

[gerryoat]

So this

[Srceenplay]

Is a thing

[havingfitz]

burp

[mastina]

Is a thing

One of the main problems is we're waiting on the two players who have been least active today--Vaxkiller and havingfitz.

Maki's said her stances pretty clearly, you've said yours, gerry's said his, and I've said mine. We've gone over them in great lengths--to the extent where I can't think of anything else to cover...until Vaxkiller and havingfitz post. Because what they post is absolutely important since it is a determining factor in who is scum.

The holiday was ongoing before, but that excuse has now been lifted--as a result, we can expect content from them soon. A failure to produce content soon would, in of itself, I suppose give you an answer. But me being me, I'm pretty lenient as to times. (I have to be, because I need to treat others as I expect to be treated, and I absolutely require leniency a lot of the time in games because I am NOTORIOUS for slacking off.) So I'm not gonna set a hard deadline or anything of the sort.

I will however still be keeping it in mind, giving all sorts of for a continued absence especially if I note presence elsewhere. (Again, I know better than most that's not necessarily a scumtell...but it does give credence to the idea of the slot(s) being scum lurking, hoping that today will default to either a no-lynch or a mastina-lynch.)

[Srceenplay]

^you are still alive? I thought we had a guilty on you.

[Srceenplay]

I know fitz has said before he is v/la on weekends.
Not sure on vax reasons.
Either way it’s holiday season and we have time.
Poe is narrowed down somewhat easily for our decision.

[havingfitz]

Catching up on reading with a little spare Saturday night time....

@ mastina....are you mastin and/or mastin2?

No shit, sherlock.

From this you'd be able to vouch for a fair amount of what I've said here RE: my own meta. How much I don't do the stuff which would be absolutely necessary for me to have done as scum.

But you won't vouch for it because it's not in your wincon to clear me from being scum.

No need to be an ass mastina. If you want to keep changing your username fine...it's not for me to assume it though. Simple question. Polite fucking answer please.

Other than you not being able to read me very well and posting long ass posts I do not recall any AI meta for you. I asked so that I could go peruse a few of the games we share.

@mastina...why would scum redirect your block on their nk'er?

[gerryoat]

is it really 3-3 deadlocked?

[havingfitz]

Better yet..does anyone else consider Maki confirmed town and if so...why?

It's a long post so have a link: 1726.

OK...so nothing "confirming" Maki as town. Just giving a really long description of your feeling that she is town. Strong read doesn't equal confirmed imo. But thanks.

And as I am not that familiar with friendly neighbors I need to look into whether that is something AI or confirming in any way.

[havingfitz]

And as I am not that familiar with friendly neighbors I need to look into whether that is something AI or confirming in any way.

Annnd I've actually been in a game with a friendly neighbor. OK...so unless Maki is scum with gerry, looks like Maki is confirmed town. I think that's all the reading for me tonight.

[gerryoat]

maki would be pushing for the mastina lynch if she were maf with me

[havingfitz]

Here's where I'm at atm.
mastina gets an a for effort and reading through the why they're town walls makes sense.
So town mastina.
My pr comprehension fail cleared up = town Maki.
I lean town in Srceen as it seems too complicated for scum to redirect a rb on one of their own.
Lean town on Srceen.

So poe...does a gerry Vax team work?

That's where I stand. Either of them works for me barring something more definitive.

[Vaxkiller]

Weekend/holidays are hard to post but I've been sick for the past 3 days. Will promise to catch up tomorrow

[mastina]

@mastina...why would scum redirect your block on their nk'er?

At the time, we weren't claimed. They wouldn't know. We had softed, but who's to say scum correctly got that we had softed roleblocker? It's QUITE possible they interpreted our posts as being an investigative (which would presumably be a false guilty, thus leading to us 1v1ing town), or even a protective with them hoping to protect against any Vig kill--this is actually rather realistic. Most of our breadcrumbs for blocking can be interpreted as either. (For instance, our constant mentions of Fountain where we were a split jailkeeper; we could have been a protective here.)

And the vig mechanic was unlocked the night before I blocked Assembler.
Meaning that scum thinking that we're a protective would have reason to redirect us to them.

We didn't claim until AFTER the event in question. Thus, why WOULDN'T scum redirect us onto their nightkiller? It's a safe bet we wouldn't vig. I loathe the role and would personally never ever EVER use it to the point where even as a fucking serial killer I holstered thanks to despising the idea of doing anything else. Us not going to nightkill them. Us potentially being an investigative which would then get a false-guilty if we had been investigating town. (As we were with our target being Assembler.) Us potentially being a protective which would then protect from anyone who ACTUALLY held a vig and had an itchy trigger finger. The like.

Literally the only fucking role they'd not want to redirect to them is the role I have. Any other role, they benefit.

[mastina]

Annnd I've actually been in a game with a friendly neighbor. OK...so unless Maki is scum with gerry, looks like Maki is confirmed town. I think that's all the reading for me tonight.

[Srceenplay]

Why not redirect dreal if they need xp as well?

[mastina]

So poe...does a gerry Vax team work?

If you're town?

Then yes. Explicitly so.

I'm actually beginning to think that could be the case, though things like 1985/1986 give me pause and want me to go back to my original. Still there IS some town in there (I hate a lot but I actually like the immediate backtrack on Maki), enough where yes I am actually seriously thinking that I'm probably wrong about you being scum.

But I want to see Vaxkiller's posting to make sure. He's actually looking like the favored lynch today, but he's owed a chance to prove himself.

[mastina]

Why not redirect dreal if they need xp as well?

They didn't know dreal's role until yesterday.
Today is mylo.

Winning the game today (or having a guaranteed win immediately thereafter) > slow-rolling.

We started today with you and I engaged in a "1v1". In most towns. In 90% of towns. That would have resulted in a quicklynch on town, especially with both scum all too eager to back it up.

Redirecting me to you creates a 1v1 REGARDLESS of what you do and what I did unless my target was you originally (something which wasn't the most likely given my reads). 1v1 in mylo means one of us gets mislynched and scum win, or if their kill is foiled, then the other gets mislynched in 5p lylo. Regardless, they win.

Redirecting dreal to them (when as far as they knew, dreal could have targeted them ANYWAY thus wasting the redirect) gives them one extra XP and...
...Well, that's it.

Nothing extra. No plan. No real gain. They don't get anything from having one extra point of XP in like 98% of cases. It doesn't make as much sense on any level.

Redirecting me to you on the other hand is a plan which in all but the smartest of towns results in a LOL GUILTY LET'S QUICKLYNCH NO THOUGHTS GIVEN. In MYLO.

Can't emphasize that enough. Lolguilty on town. From town. In fucking MYLO. Mislynch-and-lose. Seems like a pretty safe, smart move to make, no? It has the highest +EV for a scum win, and lowest chance of backfiring on them. It's what I'd do as scum and it's what literally any one of the players in this game would do as scum. havingfitz is a veteran of games with this sort of mechanic; he would use it. gerryoat's literally used ALMOST THIS EXACT MANEUVER BEFORE as scum in Fountain when he janitored Mathblade and nightkilled Jae in an attempt to sell the narrative that Math was scum and that Math's death unlocked the scum nightkill. Vaxkiller's smart enough to do it. Maki's a genius as scum and would do it. You're the only one I can't say for sure would, but I'm pretty sure it's within your scumrange.

So again.

Why

would

they redirect dreal? It's just not very effective.

[gerryoat]

so, we gonna lynch the guilty yet or no.

[gerryoat]

tbh maki just tell me what your plan is at this point, this is getting boring

[Srceenplay]

so, we gonna lynch the guilty yet or no.

I think there is more than one scum, so

[Maki Harukawa]

tbh maki just tell me what your plan is at this point, this is getting boring

scum is vax and fitz will vote either

[Something_Smart]

Hope you all had a happy Thanksgiving.

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