I already explained myself for page one. For the other point, you interpret that in one way to associate it with a scumtell, but it could just have easily been to prevent a lurker coming in to vote without knowing they were hammering. I did not mean it either way, it was just for general information purposes, sort of like posting vote totals. But still, you seem to just be looking for scum, which is fine. Just remember to assess all scenarios before writing it off as a scumtell.diddin wrote:Pman however, starts out the game inconsistently in the RVS, then seems eager for somebody to hammer TL. Posting that TL is at L-1 without adding any other content could mean "hey mafia buddies, somebody hammer him quick!" Not enough to warrent a vote, but enough to warrant anFoSforpman.
I still find him scummy, and he is definitely the most scummy looking person right now, so for that reason I will keep my vote on him.ready2rock wrote:Question to everyone with their vote on TheLonging:
Given recent events, including the claim, do you still find TheLonging scum? If so, why?
I forgot to unvote dana when I first vote TheLonging. I was going to see if anyone would attempt a hammer on TheLonging, but since my vote did count... wouldn't have helped. It would've been pretty easy to overlook that I hadn't unvoted first, could've tricked a scum into voting... but now that I know unvotes are required I'm not going to try anything like that again, too risky.Annachie wrote:There was a point to you forgeting to do something?Parama wrote:Mod, my vote for TheLonging should not count as I forgot to unvote first. It is pretty surprising that nobody noticed it, but that was the point. TheLonging should've never been at L-1, technically speaking.
Nothing has changed about TheLonging being scum, though.
Either you meant it or you didn't but you're claiming both.
Then unvoted when you were told your vote did count.
You didn't forget so why claim to?
Parama, explaine yourself please.
A lot of people in this game have pretty poor at scumhunting, really.Konowa wrote:Here is why I think TheLonging is scum:
1)He has failed to scumhunt in what I think is a protown manner.
This is incredibly true. In fact, how about my suspicions? I haven't really put much out there yet.Konowa wrote: 2)When he unvotes me he says that a few people are suspicious to him but fails to list them. I really do not see the town thought process behind this. Town should have no problem listing who they find suspicious. Scum are more reluctant to give reads on people because it might slip them up.
Yeah, gonna have to agree that those reasons are... horrible, thin, not enough, etc.Konowa wrote: 3)When he does post suspicions in 111 they are all for pretty poor reasons*.
I have yet to understand why this is a scumtell, but w/e.Konowa wrote: 4)He has backtracked on several things he has said so far.
oh dear god this. A townie should be willing to risk themselves to make an argument. If you're playing only for yourself, then you're scum or possibly SK (no speculations please). Add this to the fact that TheLonging has failed to scumhunt at all and it makes it all the more likely TL is scum.Konowa wrote: 5)His entire play thus far has been to me more about self-survival than anything else, which is a very big scum tell to me.
I do not fully agree with this, but if we do lynch TL today and he does flip scum then one of the 3 would at least be a good place to start on D2.Konowa wrote: *Note: If TheLonging flips scum I am going to go out on a limb and say that one of CSL (now Annachie), DoS, or sorasgoof is scum based on the one in three rule. I have nothing to support this at the time but this is an indication of where my thoughts lie.
There's a world of difference between a game on SH and a game on mafiascum. And anyways, wouldn't the same person generally play with generally the same style? This post screams buddying to me.CCARaven4 wrote: Parama seems town only because his posts read the same on this thread as they did in the other mafia game I played with him, and he was town in that game.
The claim doesn't change my mind much. Post 192 gives me more of a town vibe, however, I both agree and disagree with r2r in Post 197. He does seem more town as of lately. However, if he is scum, than being so close to lynch he would obviously act as townie as possible. Maybe he's treading carefully because he actually is town? But that goes into WIFOM. =/ready2rock wrote:Question to everyone with their vote on TheLonging:
Given recent events, including the claim, do you still find TheLonging scum? If so, why?
1. I already stated that I misinterpreted his posts and when he clarified for me, I removed my FoS on him.ready2rock - there was a lot of misrep in 184, not liking it at all. Plus, Konowa has stated earlier why he thinks TL is scum.
Question for you, Richard. What do you consider town-tells?RichardGHP wrote:@Pie, I didn't want people to think that I had suspicions on Navy, beacuse, well, I don't at this point. I was just pointing out the fact that good contributions isn't always a town-tell. That said, I do intend to contribute more to this game than I did the SH one, whatever my role may be.
That is definitely suspicious, if not scummy. Blatantly stating that you haven't been paying attention to the thread? Interesting.RichardGHP wrote:I haven't really been paying attention to the thread, apart from the TheLonging saga, so I don't really have any reads on anyone else yet.
I think it is heavily dependent on the situation. If the player in question has no or little votes, a vote or two is good to guarantee some discussion. However, once a decent amount of votes have been gathered, they start to gain more weight, so FoSs start to become more important. Late in the game votes are always important, but we're not there yet obviously.ready2rock wrote:2. I see what you're saying. To a lot of people, there is a large step between no suspicion and a FoS, and a small step between a FoS and a vote. However, to me, it is just the opposite. If they are leaning not-so-pro-town to me, I FoS them. It is mainly my list of possible suspects. However, a vote is a much bigger deal. It is a vote for a lynch, to kill someone, to eliminate them for the rest of the game. This is why I do not like the throwing around of votes.
Really safe claim, not sure what to make of it this early to be honest.TheLonging wrote:A claim? Alright. My role is.Vanilla Townie
Half agree. Pman's request for a claim was scummy, but I can't think of a better time to ask for a claim than when someone is at L-1. TL is also suspicious for claiming after only one request, when no one else had even come close to asking.ready2rock wrote:pman just jumped on my scumdar for his request for a claim. A few people have posted since he has been at L-1, and none have asked for a claim. I think that it is bad to try to speak for everyone when no one else posting has asked for a claim.
Also, a claim doesn't always solve everything. Take that claim, for example. Claiming VT does almost nothing for me unless you have good evidence. Also, you seemed a little eager to claim for such a small role. For me, your eagerness to claim and your lack of evidence cancels out the desired effect of this claim. Thus, it does nothing in my eyes. I stand by my vote.
Joking after other people have been called out for joking at this point?DragonsofSummer wrote:Waffle harder please?!/sarcasm
Are you saying that you still have zero suspicions? Not even a little? Looks to me like you're trying to avoid committing to any sort of conclusion.TheLonging wrote:For the latter question; I wouldn't want to choose anyone to lynch because no one has been acting that scummy aside from me. Richard may be scum but I don't think his being overly careful is scumtell at all: it's probably his style of play. I wouldn't choose to lynch him.
Not speaking for Konowa, but from where I stand scum are the most likely to make quick excuses and try to make up for them later. Hence why backtracking could be considered scummy.Parama wrote:I have yet to understand why this is a scumtell, but w/e.Konowa wrote: 4)He has backtracked on several things he has said so far.
He only posts to defend himself and is not scumhunting at all. This is shown by his reluctance to say that he is suspicious of anyone but Richard. He is constantly making mistakes and taking them back, including being pro-random lynch for a time. He was quick to claim a safe role when asked only once.ready2rock wrote:Question to everyone with their vote on TheLonging:
Given recent events, including the claim, do you still find TheLonging scum? If so, why?
Please stop bringing up ongoing games.RichardGHP wrote:I know that the difference between mafiascum and ScoreHero has been brought up in the past, but I thought this might count for something.
TheLonging is still remaining in the SH mafia game and he's not acting that great in that game either. I'm thinking his scum-like actions might be a style of play, but I could be wrong.
Actually no, I AM suspicious of Richard, but he doesn't seem completely scum etc. Doesn't mean I'm not suspicious of him.NavyCherub wrote:Are you saying that you still have zero suspicions? Not even a little? Looks to me like you're trying to avoid committing to any sort of conclusion.TheLonging wrote:For the latter question; I wouldn't want to choose anyone to lynch because no one has been acting that scummy aside from me. Richard may be scum but I don't think his being overly careful is scumtell at all: it's probably his style of play. I wouldn't choose to lynch him.
Honestly? Nothing at this point. I don't have the experience to know a definite town-tell, if there are any. Regardless, I still don't think I/we can trust anybody at this stage.NavyCherub wrote:Geez, lots of stuff to catch up on since yesterday. Here we go!
Question for you, Richard. What do you consider town-tells?RichardGHP wrote:@Pie, I didn't want people to think that I had suspicions on Navy, beacuse, well, I don't at this point. I was just pointing out the fact that good contributions isn't always a town-tell. That said, I do intend to contribute more to this game than I did the SH one, whatever my role may be.
That is definitely suspicious, if not scummy. Blatantly stating that you haven't been paying attention to the thread? Interesting.RichardGHP wrote:I haven't really been paying attention to the thread, apart from the TheLonging saga, so I don't really have any reads on anyone else yet.
*rant in post above this one*Nvay wrote:That is definitely suspicious, if not scummy. Blatantly stating that you haven't been paying attention to the thread? Interesting. FoS: RichardRichardGHP wrote:I haven't really been paying attention to the thread, apart from the TheLonging saga, so I don't really have any reads on anyone else yet.
And now that makes perfect sense.NavyCherub wrote:Not speaking for Konowa, but from where I stand scum are the most likely to make quick excuses and try to make up for them later. Hence why backtracking could be considered scummy.Parama wrote:I have yet to understand why this is a scumtell, but w/e.Konowa wrote: 4)He has backtracked on several things he has said so far.
stop noobclaimingRichardGHP wrote: Honestly? Nothing at this point. I don't have the experience to know a definite town-tell, if there are any. Regardless, I still don't think I/we can trust anybody at this stage.
Also, inb4 "stop noobclaiming".
What? You were scared to hammer because you saw Vanilla Townie, one of the most common scum claims? Bull.I'm pretty sure that TheLonging is scum, and I was just about to hammer him, but then I refreshed and saw his claim. Without that, I would feel completely confident in a hammer, but now I'm not sure what to believe. I'd hate to get off to a bad start and lynch a townie right off the bat.
One of the reasons is that he's seeming to be overly careful, like his post where he says that he wasn't attacking Navy where he didn't even do anything like that, or being hesitant to vote for me. Trying to defend himself from a bandwagon even though it really wasn't one. Trying to use noobishness and lurking as an excuse for not doing so well (I swear there's a better word for me to use than this, this isn't the right one)Parama wrote:@TheLonging: what in particular makes you suspicious of Richard?
That was simply a precaution. Had I not disclaimed that I didn't intend to attack Navy, people would have thought I had something against, him, which I don't. Was it overly careful? Probably. But I wouldn't have felt right not putting that there.TheLonging wrote:One of the reasons is that he's seeming to be overly careful, like his post where he says that he wasn't attacking Navy where he didn't even do anything like that.Parama wrote:@TheLonging: what in particular makes you suspicious of Richard?