LoL eSports Discussion

zoraster · Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:17 pm

chance of someone on reddit already calling for keith to replace piglet approaching 100%?

zoraster · Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:48 am

In post 2691, Iecerint wrote:Piglet apparently didn't have any masteries in the game today.

-_-

that's incredible. he is the everyman

zoraster · Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:39 am

so nidalee

zoraster · Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:21 am

new patch.

zoraster · Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:45 am

do you think that's a huge effect? what percent of games end before 20 minutes?

zoraster · Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:45 am

I'll give you 5 to 1 odds SK does not win worlds, Bro

zoraster · Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:59 am

I mean they're still in third place, which would be good enough for the playoffs. I guess it is nice to see them not currently living up to the hype though.

zoraster · Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:08 am

Avatar bet that another western team goes further in worlds than SK, Bro? If they finish at the same level (quarter exit, semi exit, etc.) it's a push?

I have no idea why i'm so betty right now. Hard to argue that SK looks to be the best team in EU

zoraster · Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:31 am

Fair enough. Two weeks after worlds, nothing wildly inappropriate.

zoraster · Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:31 am

that was a fun game to watch. and very, very good for my fantasy team.

zoraster · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:39 am

I really like Krepo's announcing.

zoraster · Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:23 am

that was nuts

zoraster · Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:04 am

I agree with myk. I think one problem is that people put too much emphasis on in-season play. As long as Elements can make it into the top 6 and solve the morale issues, they have a good shot at finishing highly enough to put them in a place to qualify for worlds through points (if not through Summer split playoffs).

What they really need is a 2-0 week, but that's going to be difficult this week with them playing SK.

zoraster · Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:12 am

I've really enjoyed this week's coach focus for the EU LCS. Been really interesting. They also tend to be more articulate than many of the players.

zoraster · Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:10 pm

LCS teams are 36-22 on Blue side. That's a pretty hefty side advantage, and probably enough by now that it's not just happenstance.

zoraster · Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:24 pm

I know that. Not sure it's really relevant here.

zoraster · Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:44 pm

Well in LCS play it seems to be less about role counters than it is about being able to put out the right team comp that you want. If you have to counter something an opponent's team comp is doing you can probably do it with the duel 4th+5th picks.

zoraster · Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:36 pm

I don't see why they couldn't. They're pretty clearly the 4th best team, and it wouldn't take much for them to make a move on top 3, particularly given that the last slot is determined by a gauntlet play-in where they would only need to win two best of 5's.

Let's say TSM wins summer splits, Cloud 9 gets in on points, CLG is 3rd highest pointholder, Liquid 4th highest, Gravity 5th. Gravity beats their opponents, faces Liquid. Liquid beats them, then faces CLG in a best of 5. I think it's possible that Liquid wins that, even if they played right now. I wouldn't bet even money on it, but in any "moment in time" snapshot, it's easily possible that a worse team will beat a better one.

Also keep in mind that even without roster changes, teams can change a lot in the next 5 months.

zoraster · Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:47 pm

I mean, I don't disagree that they're not as good at the Top 3, but you're confusing probabilities for knowable things.

zoraster · Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:23 pm

Is Dyrus really considered the strongest top laner?

zoraster · Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:11 am

Keith is still in high school right?

zoraster · Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:37 am

I understand why Riot only broadcast one day of challenger a week, but why make it the second game between two teams?

zoraster · Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:43 am

this elements CW game is pretty fun. Or at least the past 30 minutes have been. early on was pretty boring.

zoraster · Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:57 am

well that was exhausting!

zoraster · Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:03 pm

so csgo feed they have a secondary feed that has one of the teams' comms. it's pretty awesome. I doubt they'll do that for LoL, but you never know!

zoraster · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:26 am

NRated really not having a good game

zoraster · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:49 am

TSM CLG and........ Liquid?

zoraster · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:51 am

meh. regardless, the point stands, C9 isn't exactly the NAs best representative right now.

zoraster · Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:35 am

i think it'll be a smackdown, though why no one has done the GE ban strat of taking away lucian/graves from forgiven...

zoraster · Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:40 am

yes, but you don't normally think of adding people last minute as a recipe for instant success.

zoraster · Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:47 am

isn't there a mid-season invitational this year as well?

zoraster · Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:29 am

Also probably the person least responsible for their wins is the american.

zoraster · Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:27 am

zac jungle. Quadz should be happy.

zoraster · Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:47 am

the announcer just used the term "off the hook" to mean "awesome"

zoraster · Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:05 am

btw a pretty crazy game with yorick on one side and nautilus on the other.

zoraster · Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:07 am

Classic Fnatic! leave the nexus at one hit

zoraster · Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:09 am

oh my god.

zoraster · Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:30 am

i highly recommend watching the VOD when it's posted for anyone who missed it.

zoraster · Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:58 am

fnatic vs. unicorns of love. it'll be posted at some point: http://www.reddit.com/r/LoLeventVoDs/co ... 15_part_2/

zoraster · Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:45 am

holy cow. a complete remake of a game?

zoraster · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:26 am

some sort of game error required remaking the CW/SK game after 15 minutes or so in.

zoraster · Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:42 am

Urgot. Urgot. Urgot.

zoraster · Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:16 am

URGOT URGOT URGOT

zoraster · Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:20 am

5.5 best patch.

zoraster · Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:01 am

If you lose by half a point, sure.

zoraster · Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:15 am

Not sure 1st vs. 2nd matters too much.

zoraster · Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:42 am

You'd take the bye, but it may not be all bad to be 3rd or 4th seed and get a Best of 5 win under your belt before facing TSM or CLG in their current form.

zoraster · Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:52 am

Sure. It'd be a pretty boring league if the same two teams always were in the finals. I mean, I'd rather it was Dyrus missing out than C9, but it's way more interesting.

Anyway, C9 looked not great at IEM, but I don't read much into that tournament either way. Form against other teams is a small part, but any individual finish isn't worth being concerned about. TSM lost to Gravity, but if they were playing a Best of 5 and lost their first, I'd still bet heavily on TSM. People react too much to recency.

zoraster · Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:06 pm

I'm not sure there are enough teams and what not to sustain that.

zoraster · Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:20 am

Huni. Huni. Huni. Huni

zoraster · Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:20 am

PS. Not actually a good game for me pointswise. Won too quickly.

zoraster · Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:10 am

pardon?

zoraster · Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:36 am

oh. i have turbo or whatever it's called that skips that.

zoraster · Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:36 am

It drives me nuts that so many of these lcs players end all their statements with questionmarks. "We're just looking FORWARD?" "It throws the other team off GUARD?" I recognize this as largely my problem, but it drives me nuts in these interviews. Right now it's Iwilldominate, but basically all of C9 are guilty of it.

zoraster · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:43 pm

i don't get AP Corki... what's the advantage? You get better damage on your valk? that seems... weird.

I guess AP items have higher numbers than AD ones, but the ratios are the same or worse for AP other than valkryie. I guess level 6 R has a better AP ratio, but it's equal at 11 and lower at 16.

zoraster · Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:09 pm

Oh boy. This is going to be fun. C9 vs. CLG... Draven vs. Vayne... Hai on J4 in mid??

zoraster · Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:30 pm

710 gold from a kill is amazing.

zoraster · Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:16 am

Always in for a fantasy thing, but I'm not sure there are enough games to really differentiate people, particularly if there aren't big upsets. Maybe do a combined EU and NA bracket thing (not that they'd be the same bracket, but you'd fill out both).

zoraster · Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:41 am

I'm not sure it is. I wonder if he's changed a lot because from what I've read that doesn't seem like a great personality mesh, but surely they've done their homework on the guy.

zoraster · Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:39 am

In post 3164, Oman wrote:Why the fuck are coaches trading ties?! God Prolly looked so fucking awkward. This is unnecessary.

i mean i thought it was kind of funny. soccer/football players do this all the time.

zoraster · Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:33 am

yeah i've really enjoyed that.

zoraster · Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:14 am

shaco.

zoraster · Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:18 am

thank you for bringing that up. I've been messing with my cords because I assumed it was on my end.

zoraster · Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:04 am

i really loved the level 1 from lemonnation in that game. I can just imagine nautilus whistling a cheery song as he walks around.

zoraster · Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:44 am

I believe in avatar bets! Lots of time for me to lose still, but I'm feeling pretty good.

zoraster · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:17 am

My wife wants to know why the score is being tallied in units of dragons.

zoraster · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:02 am

so... i think the lucian/graves standard bans on forgiven are good, but a ban on sven's lee sin is at least as worthwhile as a ban on forgiven's caitlyn.

zoraster · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:05 am

did you watch the UOL/SK series, quadz?

zoraster · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:17 am

I was asking quadz, sorry. I didn't say he was the reason he lost the series anyway?

The question is about the marginal decrease in performance by a player that comes from a ban, right? Not whether a player is still good on the champion he gets put on.

zoraster · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:13 pm

So I'm hoping that I win my avatar bet with BRO before worlds even occurs.

zoraster · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:26 am

mid varus. you know. standard stuff.

zoraster · Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:38 am

I love both these teams

zoraster · Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:57 am

who should i root for?

zoraster · Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:03 am

China is involved in this?

zoraster · Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:45 am

myk.
myk.
myk.

It's support gragas

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:45 am

they sure don't make it easy to find out standing information and what not.

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:59 am

i mean... where do you go to see the standings for the IWCI? The best I could find is the unofficial wiki page. But it's not on lol esports that I can tell.

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:52 am

In post 3336, zoraster wrote:The best I could find is the unofficial wiki page.

yeah..

zoraster · Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:14 am

And a win for the zorbro avatar bet

zoraster · Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:28 am

so these promotion tournament matches have been pretty (predictably?) one-sided.

zoraster · Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:37 am

someone won a game! i hope they keep winning.

zoraster · Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:03 am

rekkles apparently back to fnatic. While he's more skilled than steelback, he seems sorta negative. http://www.dailydot.com/esports/rekkles ... -elements/

zoraster · Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:04 pm

i think it's microsoft actually

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 10:02 am

that's too bad. love this fnatic team.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 10:30 am

It was a pretty entertaining game for a complete stomp. If you're a TSM fan it wouldn't be fun, I guess.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 10:41 am

I think he means the part that Iec missed by that point (i.e. one game).

And people sure make a lot of excuses for Dyrus. Still, it's a long tournament. One game hardly means anything. TSM won both their LCS playoff matches after losing the first game.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 3:39 pm

Faker didn't play at all in the Korean finals.

zoraster · Fri May 08, 2015 3:14 am

I guess that probably means you get out of your avatar bet with me, though I think even with forgiven it was looking like a safe bet for me.

Also, Incarnation to C9 mid confirmed.

EDIT: Where do you see that forgiven is confirmed out?

zoraster · Fri May 08, 2015 3:24 am

Why the Danish love, myk?

zoraster · Fri May 08, 2015 3:35 am

Better English too!

zoraster · Fri May 08, 2015 11:51 am

thou shalt not speak badly of dyrus.

zoraster · Sat May 09, 2015 11:03 am

Easyhoon time?

zoraster · Sat May 09, 2015 1:40 pm

i'd be sad if fanatic didn't.

zoraster · Sat May 09, 2015 2:09 pm

In a best of 5, the better team is the one that wins. Looks to be STK as it turns out, but still.

zoraster · Sat May 09, 2015 2:14 pm

It is sad to see Steelback who knows this is the end of the road for his time at Fnatic.

zoraster · Sat May 09, 2015 2:20 pm

Is Sjokz dressed in fnatic blue and yellow while she interviews faker? heh

zoraster · Sat May 09, 2015 2:24 pm

first time they've done what?

zoraster · Sat May 09, 2015 4:31 pm

In post 3498, mykonian wrote:
In post 3496, zoraster wrote:first time they've done what?

Taking an adc to an international tournament while he knows it's his last couple of games with the team. Last time rekkles came in, they had him lined up before worlds already. I guess it's how fnatic deals with substitutions.

I thought rekkles was on fnatic and was agitating to get moved to alliance?

zoraster · Sun May 10, 2015 3:22 pm

Faker on Leblanc... an evelynn... game 5. hope this lives up to it!

zoraster · Mon May 11, 2015 2:11 am

it was interesting because you could almost see that STK knew they probably shouldn't go Leblanc because EDG had something to deal with it

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 3:25 am

i assume SK has forgiven on contract, forgiven has said he doesn't want to play. So presumably SK would like to get paid for forgiven rather than just give him up to a competitor.

zoraster · Wed May 13, 2015 2:51 am

I mean I think he's probably pretty toxic to the environment, but I'm pretty sure he's gone because he wanted to be gone. Which is part of the toxicity.

zoraster · Sat May 23, 2015 2:52 pm

To be fair your expected income probably continues to go up over time. Quas has a limited lifespan even at that income.

zoraster · Thu May 28, 2015 2:18 pm

Btw what of our avatar bet bro?

zoraster · Fri May 29, 2015 2:52 am

I think today will be a lot more telling than yesterday other than Fnatic establishing them as the class of EU.

Origen vs. H2K will be a much better barometer of where Origen stands than against Giants: whether Origen is a team that merely hopes to make playoffs and sneak into worlds that way or establish themselves as a contender for 1st right away.

Elements vs. UoL I think will be interesting for both sides. UoL should be expected to win, but might be a challenge for them.

ROCCAT vs. Gambit. Either of these teams loses and they're going to face a lot of questions. Wolves should beat Giants, Fnatic should destroy SK. But you never know in a Best of 1.

zoraster · Fri May 29, 2015 2:54 am

I really enjoyed the tricast with Deficio, Krepo and... Deman? who was the play by play for that game?

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 2:50 am

he removed the North American (as in people born on the continent) NA mid laners.

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 10:09 am

for every shitty gambit player you had, your opponent had one too.

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 10:14 am

i said shitty gambit players. Forgiven still had 26 points, which isn't good but also isn't super bad.

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 11:20 am

i have pobelter, but didn't start him.

zoraster · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:10 am

glad i picked up some of the origen guys.

zoraster · Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:52 pm

huni basically put his head in his hands after one of his deaths.

zoraster · Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:58 am

They seem to be very confident, so I think they're kind of in TSM's place from last split -- their focus is already on getting good enough to beat international competition. That's particularly true since they actually only need to finish second in this split to assure a spot at world's (also if UoL doesn't get second place, they could take third and still assure it).

zoraster · Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:16 am

also... ryze is going to be banned for the rest of the week, right?

zoraster · Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:18 am

it wasn't just huni though.

zoraster · Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:35 am

unicorns are running top lane nocturn? seems weird since his ult would be somewhat negated by having to lane.

zoraster · Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:30 am

that was an exciting, sloppy game.

zoraster · Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:58 am

uh is runaan's hurricane gnar a thing? Wickd has it right now in the EU CS qualifiers.

zoraster · Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:28 am

also maybe it builds rage faster?

zoraster · Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:52 am

Kind of amazing

zoraster · Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:09 am

I think Monte Cristo dressed him today.

zoraster · Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:06 am

And kasing outscored ryu

zoraster · Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:42 am

this game is actually kind of living up to the hype.

zoraster · Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:19 am

In post 3706, zoraster wrote:I think Monte Cristo dressed him today.

In post 3707, Glork wrote:Lack of pinstripes or suspenders rejects that hypothesis.

So about this...

zoraster · Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:14 am

In post 3781, The Bulge wrote:Gamsu have mercy
100% KP. 42 fantasy points. RIP me.

I kind of want to autotune this.

zoraster · Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:46 am

Iec is truly a streamer expert.

zoraster · Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:01 am

when i watched him his autoreader thing was reading out racist donation messages.

zoraster · Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:31 am

Like... obviously it's designed to make everyone in it look good, but I thought this video of Deilor made him look like a really, really competent coach:

But given what he says in it, I'm not sure he's likely to coach again next year.

zoraster · Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:58 am

so fenix.

zoraster · Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:05 am

the voice comms during that 4v1 dive must have been fun

zoraster · Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:25 am

i'm getting pretty tired of the opening minutes of LCS games. The 4 man turret takedown thing has gotten so predictable and boring.

zoraster · Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:55 am

so..... runeglaive ezreal is not a joke.

and this fnatic giants game is pretty fun.

zoraster · Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:04 am

febiven really did not look pleased with his performance.

zoraster · Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:35 pm

People talk about the Rock Paper Scissors of burst - poke - sustain so when a champion is really really awesome at two (arguably three with cougar) it negates that.

zoraster · Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:10 pm

he has both a dash and a stun and can make himself super tanky

zoraster · Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:25 am

Galio has been picked.

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:16 am

It's plausible, but very unlikely even if they suddenly become an excellent team overnight.

Currently the points stand at:
TSM: 90
C9: 70
TL: 50
TIP: 30
CLG and Gravity: 10

In the summer you get 90 points for 2nd, 70 for 3rd, 40 for 4th, 20 for 5th&6th. The First place team in Summer split automatically goes.

If they make it into playoffs, they assure at least 90 championship points, which is probably enough to secure a fairly good spot in the gauntlet:

But if they don't make it into playoffs, at best they're likely to have to win 2 best of 5s in the Gauntlet to make it in,* at worst they won't make it at all.

Obviously C9 can't make it in on points alone if they don't make it into playoffs (2nd place gives 90 points and they only have 70), and realistically they probably need at least a 3rd place finish to make it in on points alone.

To me this is fair. It recognizes the performance in the Spring split, making that split matter far more than before.

I know the objection is "but the best NA teams at the moment should go to worlds" and I agree, but if C9 were to make it through the gauntlet from a fairly low place, they will have shown their ability to win close to worlds.

The crucial thing to understand from a "fairness" perspective is that C9 would need to win a whole bunch of games against the best NA talent in order to get a spot. At the moment that seems extraordinarily unlikely. It's probably more likely that C9 gets relegated this season than it is they make worlds. But in that unlikely world where they get a spot through winning a whole bunch of games at the end of the season, they would have earned it.

Spoiler: *Best case scenario for c9 in the gauntlet

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:30 am

Actually having reviewed it, I think C9 will get into the gauntlet no matter what. They may be 4th or 5th in the gauntlet (5th in the gauntlet is really 7th in the points total) and I don't see a way for the 5th points team to have 70 points unless TSM somehow missed the playoffs and I don't think that's possible now.

Another way to look at it is that the team who wins the gauntlet from 4th or 5th seed will have to win as many games as TSM and TL have won in the summer split so far.

My point stands that even if they make it into the gauntlet, they'd have to basically be an entirely different team than they are right now to make worlds.

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:09 am

I think TL is much stronger than TIP.

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:15 am

#mundomid

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:37 am

I don't mean to make this EU > NA or anything, but I think NA teams would have trouble with not only Fnatic but also Origen, much less the Chinese and Korean teams.

But I mean... there's still like 2.5 months before worlds, so so much can change.

Also, of course I sit Sneaky this week.

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:31 am

With league I prefer to look at teams as a snapshot in time. The same players can change markedly in the span of two months. Who knows what the meta will be then and how that will help or hurt a team.

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:45 am

What's funny about that corky baron steal is that my opponent has piglet and I get the points for his action

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:02 am

I think I would ban azir against TL

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:03 am

Soraka had no engage or peel and a lane swap neutralizes most of her advantage she gets in lane.

zoraster · Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:07 am

I think he meant as support. She has literally nothing to offer as a mid

zoraster · Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:17 am

It's a lot easier to develop your large pool when you're winning than it is when you're losing. Fnatic clearly spent a lot of time establishing Olaf as a threat this season probably not because he was the best pick at the moment, but so that other teams had to respect that later down the line.

And a lot of it comes down to the fact they don't play a Best of 2 or 3 series. You tend to see more of those wide champion pool picks when teams are either reacting to a first game or are setting up a second game comp.

zoraster · Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:54 am

als;dfkjas;dlfkj i forgot to sub in KaSing, which i intended to do. Ah well.

zoraster · Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:09 am

huni about to play riven.

zoraster · Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:07 am

this game of Gambit/UoL has a Top runeglaive Gangplank and that's not even the weirdest build in the game. Orianna is going Runeglaive+nashors.

zoraster · Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:23 am

15/3 runeglaive+nashor's orianna ending with a pentakill.

zoraster · Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:56 am

turtle's valk's left something to be desired.

And there's a lot of time left, voided -- depending on what the goal is. TSM will have plenty of chances and time to make worlds.

zoraster · Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:15 pm

Close game. There dies c9s playoff chances

zoraster · Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:48 am

this is a fun game

zoraster · Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:08 am

If TSM finishes 5th or 6th, they finish with 110 points. I don't think that assures them a world's spot, depending on who gets 1st and 2nd in the playoffs.

For example, if TL or TIP finish second, TSM will have to win in the gauntlet if they finish 5th or 6th in playoffs as TL would have 140 points and TIP would have 120 points to TSM's 110.

In fact, if TSM finishes 4th, they'll only get 130 points, so if TL gets second TSM still won't get there. TSM will automatically qualify for worlds if they get at least 3rd place (150 points).

zoraster · Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:16 am

i'm sure you can buy them on the secondary market

zoraster · Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:53 am

go with your friends in different seats. Make new friends during, hang out with your old ones in line and afterwards.

zoraster · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:07 am

even more exciting.

zoraster · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:13 am

unfortunately the number of potential tie breakers have gone down considerably.

zoraster · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:33 am

yellowstar going with trundle support.

zoraster · Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:25 am

for those who want tons of tiebreaker matches, this next game is the most important: if Elements beats Gambit, it makes it more likely there'll be multiple tiebreakers.

zoraster · Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:41 am

this game will not end.

zoraster · Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:44 am

that game was long, but it was not good.

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:44 am

http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Specia ... Tiebreaker

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:18 am

oh mine wasn't a response to yours, dram.

I think this article might be helpful, but haven't checked the rules on the head-to-heads. http://www.goldper10.com/article/2032.html

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:19 am

I think this may be relevant:

Keep in mind that this is from before Thursday.

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:23 am

Spoiler: Tie breaker rules

Regular Season Tiebreaker. In the event that multiple teams are tied 7.3.2in the standings at the conclusion of either Regular Season split (as defined as having the same winning percentage), then any teams so tied will be seeded by head-to-head record. If said teams have identical head-to-head records (as defined as each team winning 50% of games between the two teams), said teams will play one tiebreaker game to determine the final standings.
Tiebreaker games will be played following the final game of the Regular Season, but prior to the first day of the Playoffs. Tied teams will compete against each other until there is a winner.
If three or more teams are tied, the head-to-head record of all teams against all other teams involved in the tiebreaker will be considered. If a single team owns a winning record (as defined as winning more than 50% of the games) against every other team in the tiebreaker, they are automatically granted the highest seed available in the tiebreaker, and a new tiebreaker is declared amongst the remaining teams.
If no team in a tiebreaker holds a winning record against all other teams, the following structures will be used:
Three-way tie: A single round-robin will be played among the three 7.3.3teams. If this does not result in a hierarchical ranking of teams (i.e., distinct 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2 team records), then the three teams will be randomly drawn into a single-elimination bracket where one team has a bye into the finals.
Four-way tie: The teams will be randomly drawn into a “Korean-style” 7.3.4or “dual” bracket, where teams play Bo1 matches throughout the tournament. The four teams will be split into two first-round matches;
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the winners will then face off in Game 3 while the losers face off in Game 4. The winner of Game 3 will be declared the top seed; the loser of Game 3 will face the winner of Game 4 in a contest to determine 2nd/3rd place; and the loser of Game 4 will be declared 4th place.
Five-way tie: The teams will be randomly drawn into a single-7.3.5elimination bracket, where there is a play-in between two teams for the fourth semi-final spot. The tournament will require a 3rd-place match to determine seeding.
Six-way tie: The teams will be randomly drawn into a single-7.3.6elimination bracket, where two teams have byes into the semi-finals. The tournament will require a 3rd-place match and 5th-place match to determine seeding.
Seven-way tie: The teams will be randomly drawn into a single-7.3.7elimination bracket, where one team has a bye into the semi-finals. The tournament will require a 3rd-place match and loser’s bracket to determine seeding.
Eight-way tie: The teams will be randomly drawn into a single-7.3.8elimination bracket. The tournament will require a 3rd-place match and loser’s bracket (including 7th-place match) to determine seeding.
Nine-way tie: The teams will be randomly drawn into a single-7.3.9elimination bracket, where there is a play-in between two teams for the final spot. The tournament will play out until all seeds are determined one through nine.
Ten-way tie: The teams will be randomly drawn into a single-7.3.10elimination bracket where there are two play-in matches among four teams. The tournament will play out until all seeds are determined one through ten.
Side selection for all tiebreaker games will be determined by a coin flip.

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:26 am

"If ROC loses va ORG, EL will place in 6th place ahead of ROC and GMB (4-0 head-to-head overall) and only 1 tie-break match will be played today betwen ROC and GMB for 7th"

so basically just a sad, sad tiebreaker to avoid the potential for relegation.

If ROCCAT wins I think they play off for that 5th spot, which is important to avoid Fnatic, although honestly maybe they'd rather play UoL instead of H2K to get to the 3rd place match and get the maximum circuit points to help in the gauntlet.

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:35 am

That's actually an interesting question. If you're ROCCAT or Giants, who have zero circuit points so far, do you care whether you're 5th or 6th seed?

If you're ROCCAT or Giants, you probably want at least 4th place to enter the gauntlet, which requires a win against either H2K (for the 6th seed) or UoL (for the 5th seed). If you do that, you assure at least a 4th place finish. I think it's very unlikely either can beat Origen or Fnatic in a best of 5, but obviously you'd prefer Origen.

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:17 am

well i mean yeah... but if you finish last you have to win 3 best of 5 series (best of 5? best of 3?).

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:20 am

also their lives got a lot easier without Gambit making it into playoffs.

zoraster · Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:37 pm

I rate the best chance as playing UoL and then Fnatic if only because it puts your fate more in your hands if I make my assumption that neither team can beat Origen (or Fnatic)

The reason is that I think there's a gap between Origen and H2K, which is only marginally stronger than UoL. The problem is that if UoL get to the second round, they qualify on points BEFORE Origen, even if Origen gets second place. That places Origen in the Gauntlet, which makes the Gauntlet really hard to win. However, if ROC beat UoL, H2K loses to Origen, and ROC beat H2K then Origen makes it in points leaving the Gauntlet as something like:

1. H2K
2. UoL
3. ROC
4. GIA

That's still really hard to climb as it requires ROC or GIA to win 3 best of 5s, but at least they're in games that they can plausibly win.

The path of beating H2K followed by beating Origen would be really hard, but even then it DOESN'T MATTER unless (a) UoL lose their first match or (b) you can beat Fnatic for the win of it all. That's because UoL will have 110 points if they make it to the semis, more than the 90 you get for a second place finish.

zoraster · Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:25 pm

In post 4090, BROseidon wrote:I'm so happy with how C9 has fallen.

Why? You've said this before but I've never seen them as particularly unlikeable

zoraster · Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:33 am

I think it is possible that c9 will have the top spot in the gauntlet. Kind of unlikely but possible... Would probably hear some grumbling about that!

EDIT: Actually I don't think that's possible. I think they can tie in points with DIG if DIG gets 3rd, but the tie breaker is where you finish in the summer playoffs. So the best C9 can hope for is to be the second gauntlet seed and play two best of 5s rather than three if they're the third or fourth seed.

zoraster · Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:28 am

if anyone cares, i whipped this up: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

zoraster · Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:36 am

Making the assumption that each match has a 50/50 shot of being won by either side, here are the chances of each team ending up in each spot.

EU LCS:

zoraster · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:49 am

haha exactly. I've updated the charts to include "chance of making worlds" under the 50/50 per match assumption, but obviously the farther we take this the more we deviate from reality.

zoraster · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:51 am

oops that world's chance for NA pulled from the wrong cells. it'll update correctly momentarily.

EDIT: Should be correct now.

EDIT2: Made one more correction that should make this all make more sense. Should be good now.

zoraster · Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:14 am

LCS Playoff Pool/Bracket

Join the playoff pool today! Top prize is a mystery skin or champion on the NA server.

zoraster · Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:47 am

Oh. That would have been a good idea.

zoraster · Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:22 am

Just a reminder if you have not done this:

LCS Playoff Pool/Bracket

Join the playoff pool today! Top prize is a mystery skin or champion on the NA server.

I have added the third place matches. If you've already sent an entry, please use the addendum I PMed you or fill out a new entry (only your latest will count).

zoraster · Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:20 am

the pool is now locked. Will update soon with info about our entries!

zoraster · Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:57 am

EU

QF1: UoL (93%) vs. ROCCAT (7%)
QF2: H2K (93%) vs. Giants (7%)

SF1: Fnatic (93%) , UoL (7%), ROCCAT (0%)
SF2: Origen (79%), H2K (21%), Giants (0%)

Finals: Fnatic (89%), Origen (4%), H2k (4%), UoL (4%), ROCCAT/Giants (0%)
Third: Fnatic (4%), Origen (26%), H2K (26%), UoL (43%), ROCCAT/Giants (0%)

NA

QF1: Gravity (54%) vs. TSM (46%)
QF2: TIP (89%) vs. Dignitas (11%)

SF1: Team Liquid (61%), Gravity (14%), TSM (25%)
SF2: TIP (57%), CLG (36%), Dignitas (7%)

Finals: Team Liquid (50%), TSM (21%), Gravity (14%), CLG (7%), TIP (7%), DIG (0%)
Third: TSM (26%), Team Liquid (22%), CLG (22%), Gravity (17%), TIP (9%), Dignitas (4%)

If you're wondering how TSM gets first or third in 51% of people's brackets yet only win their first game (and thus finish 5th or 6th) in 45% of people's brackets, the only thing I can tell you is that people (a) forgot who they picked initially or (b) wanted to hedge their bets.

zoraster · Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:51 am

Currently Perfect:

pickemgenius 4
theelkspeaks 4
Klazam 4
Cabd 4
BROseidon 4
Glork 4
jahudo 4

hiplop has 1 point, hito has 0, and everyone else has 3.

zoraster · Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:39 am

I think tomorrow's games offer better games.

I'm surprised so many people picked Gravity, fwiw. TSM hasn't looked great, but neither has Gravity in the last couple of weeks of the season.

zoraster · Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:48 am

I don't think teams win or lose based on how much I like them.

Jerk zingers

zoraster · Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:49 am

So I think Dignitas is officially out of worlds. Gravity finished with 10 points last season, so they'd take the last spot if they lose tomorrow.

zoraster · Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:52 am

Day 1 Standings

1 . Cabd 8
2 . BROseidon 8
3 . Glork 8
4 . The Bulge 7
5 . theelkspeaks 7
6 . Shanba 7
7 . Nexus 7
8 . MTD 7
9 . Zoraster 7
10 . AstralFlare 7
11 . DDo 7
12 . jahudo 7
13 . Bins 7
14 . dramonic 6
15 . Animorpherv1 6
16 . Voidedmafia 6
17 . Iecerint 6
18 . quadz08 6
19 . Bella 6
20 . Siveure Dttrikyp 6
21 . FakeGod 6
22 . Gendaberry 6
23 . Voidedmafia 6
24 . pickemgenius 4
25 . Klazam 4
26 . hiplop 4
27 . hitogoroshi 3
28 . Espeonage 3

Just to reiterate, in these first QF matches, you get 3 points for a correct winner, 1 point for picking how many games it lasted (even if you get the winner wrong).

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:59 am

Already this day is more exciting than yesterday

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:33 am

holy cow. i assumed UoL won because my internet went out when ROC had all their inhibs down. What the heck happened?

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:43 am

they must have known I picked them to queue up silver scrapes in this series.

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:49 am

You did!

everyone but pickemgenius and glork picked UoL to win (Glork had ROCCAT in 5)
The Bulge, Voided, me, Broseidon, Siv, Nexus, Astralfire, hiplop had UoL in 5 games.

28 entries total, for context.

Right now, either BRO or Glork will be perfect after this game, depending on who wins (with 12 points).

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:42 am

what a series. obviously kind of sloppy at times, but i'd prefer sloppy and exciting to precise and boring.

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:49 am

1 . BROseidon 12
2 . The Bulge 11
3 . Cabd 11
4 . Nexus 11
5 . Zoraster 11
6 . AstralFlare 11
7 . theelkspeaks 10
8 . Voidedmafia 10
9 . Shanba 10
10 . Siveure Dttrikyp 10
11 . MTD 10
12 . DDo 10
13 . jahudo 10
14 . Bins 10
15 . Voidedmafia 10
16 . dramonic 9
17 . Animorpherv1 9
18 . Iecerint 9
19 . quadz08 9
20 . Bella 9
21 . Glork 9
22 . FakeGod 9
23 . Gendaberry 9
24 . hiplop 8
25 . Klazam 7
26 . hitogoroshi 6
27 . Espeonage 6
28 . pickemgenius 4

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:07 am

If you're curious who picked whom to win (too lazy to do the screen cap of # of games)

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:09 am

it's interesting that only two people picked CLG to win their semi final up until I did, and after that only one person picked Impulse to win. These are listed in chronological order of selection (so hito made his choices first, voided last)

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:15 am

yeah ignore the point totals there. It got off when I deleted voided's extra entry, but the ones I posted are correct. I'm not planning on updating the image file. I just wanted to post the winner picks.

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:15 am

bro needs a gravity sweep now to stay perfect

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:11 pm

gravity finally pulling away, but the fact that they were up 12-2 in kills and yet only up about 2k was pretty funny.

zoraster · Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 4194, BROseidon wrote:TSM did a really good job keeping up in farm and objectives. Each kill is worth about 300 gold, so being up three kills equates to about 3k gold.

I think your math is off.

I assume you mean being up 10 kills is worth 3k gold, but that's really only true if there are no assists.