OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

[Realeo]

Question for Hellfire Missile.

So why do you exactly scumread me in D1 to begin with?

I mean

Why you unvote?

When GE says "It's misrep," I go reread the thread. 99 and 100 makes senses from GE's perspective.

I'm not seeing how a "ReadingCompError" and a "I feel that Theta is townie" would shift anything
other than maybe the fact that y'all both share the same read on Theta or is it because of this:

I feel it's a form of misrep.

I'd like to say that Realeo is scum but i'm not 100% sure

it might just be me being shit at the game but
Realeo just feels

off

Maybe it's the fact that like the first 3/5s of his posts (mostly at the start, is this just shitposting?) were hot air, something about java and coding
Maybe that he feels something is off about Flubber yet doesn't vote him?
Maybe that (IMHO) he switched off of Gamma too fast (i don't know about this it just felt too quick)
VOTE: Realeo[

You didn't like me tunneling Flubber or Gamma, so you're supposed to not like me tunneling both Dave and javajoe.

At best I should be scum but different faction from javajoe from your calculation, right?

[Realeo]

Hellfire, do some critical thinking on these with me:

For the note, I realize that HM's readlist are shity but Hiraki pointed out my mistake on approaching javajoe so I backed up.

[Realeo]

Given the fact you can't find my question.

UNVOTE:

[Realeo]

I could flashwagon GE based on meta--but no. I'm learning self-control.

[Realeo]

If we could vote hellfire instead of coaching them that would be nice

[Realeo]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

[Realeo]

I'm too lazy to do back reading this weekend, so I'm just going to go with my initial gut read.

VOTE: Theta Alpine

Point out if there's anything in particular I should be looking at from yesterday.

The javajoe wagon.

[Realeo]

[ 1 ] Fillering.
[ 2 ] In D1, I had gut feeling saying Theta town. Halfway to D1, I lost it. I just wanted to lynch Theta when Javajoe activated my trap card.

[Realeo]

alright then
what are your scum reads VOTE: shiqf

realeo i want shiqf to post actual content

firescreamer is a scum-null for me
more scum than null however

p-edit realeo is not quite defending your post deltaw

You see that Theta is reporting to me right? "Realeo. I want shiqf."

Well the question is... Who am I so that you report to me? You don't know my role PM. There are two scenarios

[A] Extreme buddying

or

Extreme vulnerability.

I mean, inside town, we're basically scared of the scum right? We have tendency to report to who we believe we trust. For example, you would see tendency Flubber exchaning with Kmd because they do townread each other.

So when Theta reports to me, I thought it was an implicit, honest, "I trust you."

<- Insert some appeal to emotion because for the first time, I went IRL emotional by playing mafia.

Which is why the next question that I asked is:

Theta, why you townread me?

or it was
c i was responding to 330

That changes a lot.

He was spared because 4 posts later, javajoe triggered me.

[Realeo]

If i'm honest i have no idea what i'm doing
I'm just doing what my gut says, and then trying to build a case around it

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION.

NOT THE JAVAJOE.

I HAVE SECOND QUESTION.

[Realeo]

*Takes a deep breath*

Prolly no longer a pressure vote.

VOTE: Hell

[Realeo]

I could sheep any of {Theta,Hell}

A GE wagon deserves a better case.

[Realeo]

My question was what's realeo's read on Hellfire. Which I guess he needed Hellfire's read to answer?

When Hiraku said that my read at javajoe was wrong, I'm a little bit more precautious approaching Hell--for instance, I did not jump at that read wall.

However, one thing that strikes me the most is that his read are basically null or townread, zero scumread (sqihf doesn't count due to activity).

With javajoe in mind, "Would this be an indication of town!newbie or indication of scum!newbie"

I would guess that a town!newbie would be something like javajoe although less retarded than that. I found that town!newbie would be able to make scumread, but either too afraid to push that or have bad sense of communicating his scumread, thus seems like pushy. town!newbie may be too fixated on one thing, but great event maybe able to show train of thought.
a
However, zero scumread just scratches me the wrong way. It shouts scared scum newbie.

[Realeo]

Dunnstral - My biggest problem with this slot relies on how I think they know what the actual conclusion of the logic is and how they narrowly miss it to the point where I really have to scratch my head. On many occsaions, I'd say "OK nvm, we just disagree" but I really don't feel that in these situations.

I kinda had the same feeling, but meta says, when he's doing that, he's trying to avoid scumreading his partner.

I can't tell his scum partner.

[Realeo]

I fucked up by entering the submit button prematurely

But the problem is, this is multiball, he doesn't have to do that. He can genuine scumread someone else and avoid scumreading his scumpartner at the same time.

[Realeo]

Guys. I'm role claiming.

I'm double voter.

VOTE: Theta
VOTE: Hell

CC me, bitches.

Gamma's vote is the weirdest one by far as seen through the VC 1.7.

His D1 vote is not weird. The reasoning was scattered but you need to look @ his iso for his reading progression. When you did, his vote is explained.

His d2 vote

is

the one that is weird.

[Realeo]

My question was what's realeo's read on Hellfire. Which I guess he needed Hellfire's read to answer?

However, zero scumread just scratches me the wrong way. It shouts scared scum newbie.

Town can still have too few scumreads at this point in the game, so I would not place as much weight on that part of it, but I can easily see scared scum in several of the reactions.

In a normal game, I give you that.

In a multi ball with 5 scums? Meh.

[Realeo]

Hellfire Missile, this is my question.

Spoiler:

So why do you exactly scumread me in D1 to begin with?

I mean

Why you unvote?

When GE says "It's misrep," I go reread the thread. 99 and 100 makes senses from GE's perspective.

I'm not seeing how a "ReadingCompError" and a "I feel that Theta is townie" would shift anything
other than maybe the fact that y'all both share the same read on Theta or is it because of this:

I feel it's a form of misrep.

I'd like to say that Realeo is scum but i'm not 100% sure

it might just be me being shit at the game but
Realeo just feels

off

Maybe it's the fact that like the first 3/5s of his posts (mostly at the start, is this just shitposting?) were hot air, something about java and coding
Maybe that he feels something is off about Flubber yet doesn't vote him?
Maybe that (IMHO) he switched off of Gamma too fast (i don't know about this it just felt too quick)
VOTE: Realeo[

You didn't like me tunneling Flubber or Gamma, so you're supposed to not like me tunneling both Dave and javajoe.

At best I should be scum but different faction from javajoe from your calculation, right?

[Realeo]

My question was what's realeo's read on Hellfire. Which I guess he needed Hellfire's read to answer?

However, zero scumread just scratches me the wrong way. It shouts scared scum newbie.

Town can still have too few scumreads at this point in the game, so I would not place as much weight on that part of it, but I can easily see scared scum in several of the reactions.

In a normal game, I give you that.

In a multi ball with 5 scums? Meh.

I mean, he townread 5 towns, don't he have POE scum read?

[Realeo]

4 DAYS REMAINING. START SOLIDIFYING YOUR READ AND COMMIT TO A POSITION.

[Realeo]

Hellfire - I'm gonna TR this slot based on early postings. I expect to be a lone soldier out here and can expand if need be.

Emphasis on early posting please.

[Realeo]

Yeah, I'm utilizing my double voting skill again.

VOTE: Hell
VOTE: Theta

[Realeo]

I
Gamma -

I'd like to bring up that Realeo sometimes is lynchbait: one time he was close to going over then his replacement turned things around.

ech

So I'm curious: are there any strategies for analysis, scumhunt, interfering with scumkills, etc. in this setup that have been discussed?

ECH

D2 posting is much better though and I liked cohesion on Dunn read. Lean scum just because I really hated D1 posting.

Isn't the things that you hate in D1 Gamma post is the same thing that is happening in Theta's post?

[Realeo]

not at all

So what is exactly that you hate at Gamma's post? Like setupspeccing also happens in Theta's post.

[Realeo]

No. I'm not comparing Gamma to Hell. I'm comparing Gamma to Theta.

[Realeo]

While I'm townreading you, that is extremely flawed. What is obvtown to you may not be obvtown to everyone else. That's especially true when referring to yourself.

Thank you.

It should be obvious that I'm interested at both wagon.

[Realeo]

(4) Theta Alpine - kmd, Umlaut, Hiraki, BTD
(1) Flubbernugget - Gamma Emerald
(1) Umlaut - Theta Alpine
(1) Hiraki - Dunnstral
(3) Hellfire Missile - Flubbernugget, davesaz, Realeo

(1) Not Voting - Hellfire Missile,

[Realeo]

okay i think i know what to do now
there are 6 people alive today that were on the java wagon
dunnstral realeo gamma emerald davesaz hellfire missile and myself

everyone who was not on that wagon is still alive with the exception of javajoe
flubbernugget umlaut hiraki kmd4390 btd6

so which list do you think has more scum
i think it is the second list

VOTE: umlaut

Do yourself a favor and explain to me why the second list has more scum. A good explanation may flip my read on you.

[Realeo]

Wait, I am an idiot. Sorry. I'm drunk of differential equation.

[Realeo]

Me wanna townread Theta.

[Realeo]

i cannot sort this game
which is sad since coinflip odds give any slot other than mine a 50% chance of flipping scum since i am town
actually that might be the problem

okay i think i know what to do now

there are 6 people alive today that were on the java wagon
dunnstral realeo gamma emerald davesaz hellfire missile and myself

everyone who was not on that wagon is still alive with the exception of javajoe
flubbernugget umlaut hiraki kmd4390 btd6

so which list do you think has more scum
i think it is the second list

VOTE: umlaut

do not vote me without reading the game or at least my iso
lazy votes have scum motivation

Towny ATE?

[Realeo]

I don't know how to process it.

At one side, it feels towny. The same frustated!Dave that I felt from Theta.

At other side, it reminds me of a classic poker player all-in tell where they would go "Hmmm. This is tricky. What should I do. I know, I'm going to all in!" It smells deception. Town don't need deception unless gambit. Medon'tthinkThetagambit.

[Realeo]

Apparently Hellfire posted in Mish Mash but skipped this thread.

Grumble. Grumble.

[Realeo]

Apparently Hellfire posted in Mish Mash but skipped this thread.

Grumble. Grumble.

Can i enjoy mismash more than this?
Why does everyone scum read theta?

Not really.
It's more of continuation of D1.

[Realeo]

Not really.

Ok, that's rude.

But don't you even have sense of urgency with deadline approaching?

[Realeo]

Me gonna hammer at this time tommorow.

Wanna hear Umlaut.

[Realeo]

i want to lynch dunn as much as you umlaut but I don't trust in the power of 6 people in this game to wagon him in 40 hours

We can give that a consideration in D3.

[Realeo]

Really? For me, that post was a deal breaker.

If he knew exactly what his reaction is--why the threat?

[Realeo]

Really? For me, that post was a deal breaker.

If he knew exactly what his reaction is--why the threat?

I mean, I an egomaniac IRL.

I would sometimes act like a mastermind and when things goes wrong, I would say "I saw that coming. It's all part of the plan," to save my ego.

[Realeo]

(I hope Hellfire realized that the post above is an elaboration of the previous post and didn't accuse me of self-talking)

[Realeo]

I was not self talking.

I was apologizing.

[Realeo]

Really? For me, that post was a deal breaker.

If he knew exactly what his reaction is--why the threat?

[ 1 ] If she thought java was scum, the flip would stop the reaction. [ 2 ] If she's town and knows she's town, she knows flubber doesn't get that benefit.

[ 3 ] And it's not really a threat because she'd be out of the game at that point.

My apology, I don't understand [ 1 ]

[ 2 ] is also valid for scum.

I don't think [ 3 ] is valid. She's survivalistic based on this post below.

also seriously can anyone actually explain why they are voting me

because i have not seen that and that should worry all of you

I mean....

[ 1 ] The case against her was from D1!
[ 2 ] "That should worry all of you" is weird coming from someone who

never

responds to scum read against her. If she responds to that case, find weakness in that case--fair point! The reality is, she ignored votes against him. Most of the votes against her was not responded by her, most responded by other people. (My vote by GE. BTD's vote by Theta. Your vote by Dunn?)

[Realeo]

I don't follow.

[Realeo]

Really? For me, that post was a deal breaker.

If he knew exactly what his reaction is--why the threat?

If she thought java was scum, the flip would stop the reaction. If she's town and knows she's town, she knows flubber doesn't get that benefit.

And it's not really a threat because she'd be out of the game at that point.

I think the covfeve incident expresses my issue with that post.

[Realeo]

VOTE: Theta

[Realeo]

I'm curious why you thought that. I saw my name and figured it was me or dave and actually thought I was more likely than him.

Yup. I was hysterical when I saw KMD is alive.

Possibly not active for the next 48 hours.

[Realeo]

I'm just saying what is inside my brain, Gamma.

Guys, it's not LYLO.

If we lynch werewolf, we're down to 3 mafia -- 1 werewolf -- 4 VT.

If we mislynched, we're down to 3 mafia -- 2 werewolf -- 3 VT.

Tommorow is lylo.

[Realeo]

Werewolf can opt to skip nightkill.

[Realeo]

I mean, why would werewolf kill if it costs the game to do so?

[Realeo]

Mafia lean Gamma. Later.

@Dunn. No. We can guarantee 100%: that they are playing to win.

[Realeo]

Emphasis that I say Mafia lean Gamma. Not scum Gamma.

I will try to explain it in next post unless that I fell sleep first before I hit the sumbit later.

[Realeo]

Go. I'm somewhat confindent you would guess it.

[Realeo]

Oh hell no. You let me down. I thought we play along together long enough that you can guess my brain. Our relationship between us is like Kellyamne Conway -- Anderson Cooper : fond/hate of each others game.

I personally hope they marry.

So here's the logic.

Let us ask us a question; when mafia creates a D1 death list what is their death list more likely to be?

[ 1 ] 2 people who mafia believe are werewolf and 1 mafia for wifom.

or...

[ 2 ] 3 people who mafia believe are werewolf.

The reason it's not "town they want to kill" just like a solid ball is because these D1 death list can't change much (ie. Delta dies, KMD enters)

So D1 to certain degree reflects actual scumreading because at the end of the day, the mafia must hunt down werewolf.

KMD intepret my HURT: plan as analytical Realeo and Flufffer buy it.

I'm sorry. It was not analytical!Realeo.

It was a gambit.

I'm sorry Kmd, It's a two layers of gambit. It was analytical!Realeo. The reason I keep it hidden because I'm not quite confident, to be frank.

It's simple, let us check the hurt tag and see who scumread both Dave and Dave.

VOTE: Theta

Dave
Dunn
Java
Hellfire

VLA this weekend. Feeling burned out and taking a break.

Ok. That raises a red flag a little big. Let's check another.

I don't have all my second picks yet but I'll put these on the record
HURT: Dunnstral
HURT: Hellfire Missile

my last 3
HURT: DeltaW
HURT: davesaz
HURT: shiqf

Hmmm. Interesting. He got all 3.

Now understand that it's only a scum lean because it's not conclusive

per se

. However, I believe the kill list (especially D1 kill list) is a collective process where each mafia contributes their scumread and collects it into one kill list so similiarity shows correlation--which grants lean--but not causation--which would vote in that case.

In another news, sqihf (Hiraku) is townly lean.

Ok so far
HURT: BTD
HURT: KMD

[Realeo]

In another news, I TOTALLY forgot BTD.

[Realeo]

Theta's plan stated that it was optimal to kill townies.

Assuming the mafia follows them.

I mean, would you take math tips from random town?

As mafia, I personally won't, but that's a good scenario to consider.

So do you think I was pushing fake scumreads, or do you believe I put my scumreads into the kill list?

The latter.

Also, who do you suspect as my buddies if you think I am mafia?

I haven't give that thought. Medontthink your partners either of Hiraku, Flubber, Bins, Kmd. I'm only sure that Bins is definitely is not your partner. I have mixed confindence for others.

[Realeo]

Guys, there are 5 scums.

HURT: again?

[Realeo]

Just because someone say it's a bad idea, it doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

[Realeo]

Just because someone say it's a bad idea, it doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

That person was you.

You yourself admitted that the hurt plan will only end up lynching someone many people scumread mildly but no one actually scumreads strongly, essentially a compromise. Indeed, you used it as a reaction test. This has no chance of working again and is overall anti-Town.

Did I? Wow. Amazing.

*Checks my iso*

Oh, I can see my brain. The reason why I thought it was bad because of lurker so any scumread defaults to lurker. The current playlist is pretty much heavy poster so I don't think it's bad anymore.

It would seem that Mafia are more likely to put themselves on the list later on in the game as Mafia do not want to lose a member early on.

My only hesitation on the hellfire NKA case is that it could easily be a frame job from one of both teams.

Yes. Yes.

Hmm. Realeo's post about tomorrow being LYLO seems to assume wolves wouldn't NK. Town should account for either possibility. Hell, same goes for mafia. Only wolves can be confident about what wolves will do. I'm keeping this in mind for sure.

Excuse me for using graphic term, but are you suggesting that werewolf is a jihadist whose only concern is killing everyone with them?

Werewolf is not ISIS, werewolf is Al Capone who is also self-interested including victory.

But my question is why do they want wolves on the list? It's kind of a waste because wolves are never dying

It was in my mind as well. However, when the kill list is not list of obv town , my mind went, "Aaaaaahhh.. They are using death list for POE."

pedit:

[Realeo]

It was in my mind as well. However, when the kill list is not list of obv town , my mind went, "Aaaaaahhh.. They are using death list for POE."

Now that I think it, given the sophisticatedness of that, mafia!Hell makes nein sense.

[Realeo]

My mind starts hypnotizing myself and says Gamma/BTD/???. The reasoning feels abstract and I cannot express that in inteligible language.

[Realeo]

I haven't give that thought. Medontthink your partners either of Hiraku, Flubber, Bins, Kmd. I'm only sure that Bins is definitely is not your partner. I have mixed confindence for others.

Yes, I changed my mind.

[Realeo]

I have mixed feeling for that.

[Realeo]

I should be more active today. I'm free of extensive debating duty now.

[Realeo]

Everyone in favor of Dunn's lynch raise your hand, please.

*Raises hand*

[Realeo]

I think is it because I pointed out that "Werewolf can be lynched" and Dunn was the first one to dismiss that so implicitly suggesting "Survivalistic werewolf afraid of spotlight?"

Have I explained that I think Hell is more likely werewolf?

[Realeo]

Here's my current rotation:

Werewolf : Dunnstral, Hellfire
Mafia : BTD, GE, Umlaut

Concerns about the rotation should be expressed in form of question

[Realeo]

Why am I a werewolf? ^

It's more to "I scum read you but yeah maybe werewolf makes more senses"

Can you explain the mafia read on Umlaut?

It's more to POE. I tried to look at Hiraki's case @ why Umlaut is town and it fail to convince me why Umlaut is townier compared to {Flubber,KMD,Hiraki}

[Realeo]

On that context, I'm using umlaut interchangeably with FireScreamer.

[Realeo]

Come on, I'm not the only one scumhunting. Everybody, give me your rotation. Just pick your top three townread as town and sort your bottom five townread as either mafia or werewolf.

Even if you're not confindent with your scumread, I'm confindent with 3 days of game, you can come up with three townreads.

That includes you Hellfire Missile.

[Realeo]

Medontwanttwopeoplemakesawagonandsuddenlyotherpeoplesheepthemfornoreason.

Mewantaccountability.

Pedit: Ok. Give me 3 townreads.

[Realeo]

Yo BTD, you breath under NKA, eh? According to you, does scum sending scum!KMD to the kill list makes sense?

[Realeo]

Nah, I'm not stepping into Hellfire simply based on NKA.

[Realeo]

I mean Werewolf than mafia.

[Realeo]

I mean, I sheeped Dave on Hell's case on an independent reasoning. I didn't buy NKA's reasoning for a vote.

Just like I don't vote you, Gamma, for NKA.

[Realeo]

Here's the problem of BTD logic.

If BTD says "Scum puts Hell because he is lynchable so they won't nightkilled," then why the other two names are not townier player?

With a D1 gambit, scum would try to risk-averse. Scum would probably put townier name than {Delta,Dave} like {Realeo,Flubber} because it's less ambigious that Hell is the most lynchable.

[Realeo]

I mean, everyone defended Hellfire during D1 when Flubber tunnel him. Isn't that actual indication that he is hard to lynch?

[Realeo]

VOTE: Gamma

[Realeo]

BTD, who do you see as HM's buddy/ies with each alignment you suggest

Gamma, who is BTD's partner?

[Realeo]

Oh no, another player resorts to setup speccing due to unable to scumhunt.

GE, my question.

[Realeo]

But sure I'll work on finding his likely partners

Are you saying that you vote someone for possibly voting werewolf but you s

BTD, who do you see as HM's buddy/ies with each alignment you suggest

Gamma, who is BTD's partner?

I'd think he would be mafia since he is obviously showing preference to wolf hunting here

Me not sure to be fair. Me testing the possibility of werewolf!BTD.

[Realeo]

Me ignored that since me think that's part of a weird chlushtherfhuck

[Realeo]

I don't know why but I used to townread Flubber for something but I forget why.

So consider me nulling Flubber. If I don't remember the reasoning, it is probably sucks.

[Realeo]

@Hellfire Missile: Give me your read at Flubber + Kmd

[Realeo]

I don't know why but Umlaut is the only person that I look at but it never shouts "But you can be wrong at scumreading me, Realeo."

VOTE: Umlaut

[Realeo]

NAI

[Realeo]

Me seriously considering that Hell is town.

Me seriously considering that Flubber is scum.

Me think that if Hell is scum, BTD is the same team with Hell.

[Realeo]

@Hiraki, @Kmd. Can you explain to me your townread @ Flubber?

[Realeo]

Not in a multiball. I can give you towncredit for mentioning that though.

[Realeo]

Not a clue.

Can someone who oppose Umlaut's lynch speak up now and defend him? I'm somewhat commited to pushing him. He is the only person who I don't second guess. I'm still second guessing BTD nos.

[Realeo]

I'm also not second guessing Dunnstral so

VOTE: Dunn
VOTE: Umlaut

Double vote as usual.

[Realeo]

I was initially voting you "trigger-go-lucky" for voting BTD--not Flubber--but when you say "I think BTD is mafia" my mind went "Oh, so you're not being hypocrite."

[Realeo]

Here's the problem of BTD logic.

If BTD says "Scum puts Hell because he is lynchable so they won't nightkilled," then why the other two names are not townier player?

With a D1 gambit, scum would try to risk-averse. Scum would probably put townier name than {Delta,Dave} like {Realeo,Flubber} because it's less ambigious that Hell is the most lynchable.

The problem with that is that if there are two obvTown and one obvious lynchable, people may suspect the lynchable is likely the Mafia on the list. Did Mafia want someone in particular killed? If so, they would likely put that person on the list with two lynchables, one of which might be themselves. Out of Dave and Delta, Dave probably appeared Townier during Day 1. Could Mafia have wanted Dave specifically killed?

Hellfire is not obvious lynchable. I mean, yeah D2, but D1?

[Realeo]

I'm not sad I'm fucking paranoid that someone could be L-1

Your wish is my command.

UNVOTE:

I can give the benefit of doubt for Umlaut's replacement. But my pseudo vote is still there.

[Realeo]

I'm planning to vote Gamma tbh, who's with me?

I want to write a post so I can assure myself of it, that's why I haven't voted yet

I can seriously flip to Dunn.

[Realeo]

Waot, scratch that. Me is drunk on pork.

[Realeo]

@Dunn

: Can you explain why Umlaut is not town?

[Realeo]

@Hiraki

, you breath under read developement, eh? There's no way you can townread Flubber under read development.

[Realeo]

But the fact you say town!Realeo means you're not putting me in the lynch lottery. right? So implicitly means that you're not townreading Umlaus so you put Umlaut in the lynch lottery, right?

Why Umluat is in the lynch lottery?

[Realeo]

Ok, why am I town?

[Realeo]

Ok, what is in umlaut that makes you don't feel the same with me?

[Realeo]

So 3 days of baldredash and you get exactly nothing?

[Realeo]

Dunn, I did not ask you why you scumread Umlaut, I ask you why you didn't townread Umlaut. Because at this game it's obviously you are POEing and happily lynch anyone who is in your lynch list. There is nothing statistically wrong with that. But you still need to justify how your POE works.

[Realeo]

I feel like Senator McCain is Comey's hearing, but unlike McCain, I'm pretty sure I'm speaking English here.

[Realeo]

Thank you.

One final question, explain your townread @ BTD please. Meneednthopinionathim.

[Realeo]

I know it.

The reason why mafia puts Dave/Hell/Kmd is because mafia wants Kmd dead. Mafia think that Dave/Hell will not be killed to ensure the dog fight and hope see werewolf see that and think "Yeah, let's kill kmd."

So me think the dead list is mafia free.

I think my only solid townread is kmd.

[Realeo]

I'm testing the possibility of {Realeo, Kmd, 2 of Hell/Gamma/Hiraki/Flubber} as town

If it doesn't work, then I would try BTD in.

[Realeo]

I mean, one of the reason why I townread Dave, eventhough he was tunneling as fuck was he still scruntinizing my reasoning.

[Realeo]

Trihexa was obvscum, but we (myself included) got distracted by theta being scummy town. Day 1 lynch was pretty bad, but we were missing if we'd done theta anyway.

Hold on. You are saying you're scumreading trihexa/firescreamer/umlaut

TO BEGIN WITH

?

[Realeo]

Trihexa was obvscum, but we (myself included) got distracted by theta being scummy town. Day 1 lynch was pretty bad, but we were missing if we'd done theta anyway.

Hold on. You are saying you're scumreading trihexa/firescreamer/umlaut

TO BEGIN WITH

?

Have been for the whole game. ISO me

My concern is this : why you start D2 by voting Theta? I get why you get caried and not vote Trihexa in D1, but D2?

[Realeo]

I agree that Hell is possibly ML just from NKA but not quite sure...

Hiraki, you're not helping me. What's nice of trihexa/firebringer/umlaut/Vedith ?

[Realeo]

Because the reason why you scumread Gamma, is kinda the reason why I scumread Umlaut and the reason why you townread Umlaut is kinda the reason why I townread/second guess Gamma.

[Realeo]

Vote: Gamma - this read has intensified with less content related postings.

Also, this is very confusing. I think the latest post shows more content which is exactly the reason why I start second guessing. He shows interaction with BTD, he shows train of thought when processing me.

Yes, he makes a stupid post about calling Hellfire, but I don't think one contentless post trumps every single latest contentful post.

[Realeo]

can you go on about what you were talking about earlier with Flubber just not adhereing to read progression? I don't see what you're seeing I think

Eh. Everything in D2?

[Realeo]

On other side of the news, I'm starting to consider the possibility of

intentional

dumbtelling from Hellfire Missile.

[Realeo]

Oh yeah, KMD, my follow up question about trihexa.

[Realeo]

On other side of the news, I'm starting to consider the possibility of

intentional

dumbtelling from Hellfire Missile.

dumbtelling?

Intentional incompetency.

[Realeo]

Ah, Bins considers my double vote as unvote.

VOTE: Vedith

[Realeo]

His D2 is pretty much tunneling Hell then suddenly buddying Theta. Compared to Dave who is still aware of possible buddying.

Wanna start?

I don't like Firescreamer. He just seems to townread me then suddenly sheep me?

I don't think Vedith is playing stronk town. I think Vedith is playing arsehole scum. Vedith as town don't tunnel as easy as "not impressed". He can be arsehole both faction, but the process is distinctive.

[Realeo]

This is a big EEEEEEEEEEEEEH??? moment

Whoever wanted my read on Realeo. Moderate townlean. Feels like he is genuinely forming and pushing his reads. People like to say that scumhunting is NAI in multiball but it really isn't.

I like the Dave line of questioning. Vote can go here while it develops.

VOTE: Dave

I senses sarcasm. Help, don't understand what are you trying to say.

Someone asked me for a read on you. The read was you seem to be scumhunting in a way I like which I still believe is town indicative in a multiball game.

Why did you presume my post was insincere?

No. I mean "I like the Dave line of questioning. Vote can go here while it develops. "

If you like Dave's questioning, then you townread him.

The dave line of questioning as in your line of questioning Dave

So that's it? I townread Realeo and he push Dave so weeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

P much. That's not all i'm going to post today.

The thing I am most interested in is dave's response to your push. So i'll vote for him while I wait.

I was high of 'possible blantant buddying' alert. I gave him a benefit of doubt, but I see no follow-up about Dave.

[Realeo]

You're not giving me anything by asking me why I think he's town while I haven't you seen you quite articulate why that slot is scum. Wanna start?

Eh. Everything in D2?

Not helpful.

Ok. I give up. What do you see at Flubber?

[Realeo]

I can compromise on Vedith's lynch but I'm seriously struggling on Gamma's lynch.

[Realeo]

Oh please. I remember someone tunnel-"hope you enjoy your loss"-replace out 3 times and all 3 times they flip town.

1 ) The maze game (with GE) (Poor Titus)

2 ) Jungle Republic (Poor Titus) (mod by KMD)

3 ) THAT GAME (with GE)

I'm sorry honey. I play with you long enough that you cannot psych me out.

[Realeo]

But seriously, I don't think I can bring my self to GE's lynch.

[Realeo]

BTD, can I inquire 2nd scumread? I know you can do something independent of NKA.

[Realeo]

Oh. How ironic.

Sometimes some mafia is so dumbfounded that they resorts to newbishness as an excuse. It comes from EpicMafia. Usually I dismiss such reasoning since EM is to relying on newbieness of a player too much, but this is MS and MS is hi-scruntiny game so mental breakdown is possible.

[Realeo]

So this can be conftably used.
I've already stated that kmd is WW, meaning their buddy is at risk of being pushed (hellfire and Dunn).
Hiraki has motive to kill of Dav here too and be buddy with one

Hiraki / Dunn / BTD (and me in your view) to be considered as most likely Mafia. Given that Dav was up the second night it's basically guaranteed that there's at least 1 Mafia here.

I'm about to eat but these are my 3 lynch targets for the day. I'll look soon.

Good point on that. However, wouldn't by your logic, Hiraki / Dunn / BTD makes more senses as werewolf than mafia? I mean, it seems reckless to send BOTH hellfire/dave because werewolf may think "Ah... Hellfire is not one of us so we want dave to keep pushing him thus we should keep both of them alive?"

I've already stated that kmd is WW, meaning their buddy is at risk of being pushed (hellfire and Dunn).

I personally never consider the scum permutation of kmd/hellfire and I think that clicks a lot of NKA. Would you mind to explain why it's possible of Hell/Kmd independent of NKA?

[Realeo]

....and you're not trying to get me lynched???

[Realeo]

thank you! the issue has been resolved w the list mods and the game can continue

That's 18 hours gap. Would you mind to extend the deadline by 18 hours?

Here's a

cat

grandma to make you say yes.




If you say no, then I would give you a cat.

[Realeo]

He did mention. It's just I never being pushed.

[Realeo]

I don't understand your other question? Are you asking me why they're WW without the night kills?

Yes. Most attempt at painting Hellfire scum involves certain degree of NKA.

[Realeo]

Yo Vedith, here's something.

You are confident that kmd is werewolf, but don't know whether it's kmd/Hell or kmd/Dunn right?

The problem is, for you (Vedith) to lynch kmd is

counter-productive

. If we lynch ww!kmd, we enter D4 where mafia lynch is a must. Kmd's lynch (from your perspective) is not helpful as you still don't know who is kmd's partner and since D4 is lylo, we don't have time for you to sort kmd's partner.

So here's a proportion for you, Vedith.

Let's lynch Dunnstral together, Vedith.

VOTE: Dunnstral

You say that Dunnstral are possible scum and werewolf. So let's lynch Dunstral.

If Dunnstral is werewolf, you know it's Dunnstral/KMD. With 2 people off your mafia list (Kmd, Hell), lynching mafia in D4 for you is easier.

If Dunnstral is mafia, you know it's Hell/KMD.

From my perspective, I always want Dunnstral.

We may hate each other, but I think this is a win-win for both of us.

[Realeo]

I don't see reasons to see you town.

[Realeo]

I mean, come on Dunn. I have stated my intention for lynching you/Vedith like almost a week ago. You can't ignore my intention to lynch me for a week and suddenly on the spot make a defense like that.

[Realeo]

*to lynch you

[Realeo]

I actually think dunn is town. (/in before vedith calls a dunn/kmd wolf team lol).

Why?

[Realeo]

I mean, your explanation explains why Hiraki is scum, not why Dunn is town.

[Realeo]

Yes, DL will be paused until replacements are found and probably extended

<3

[Realeo]

just wants any lynch that isn't his team.

Including team werewolf...

...which is why I asked about why Dunn is town

[Realeo]

My God, the temptation to white knight Hiraki is strong.

[Realeo]

Yes, I'm officially defending him.

When everyone is focused on specifically lynching mafia, you've given no reason to think otherwise, and you vote someone who you have described as a "HARD" werewolf read and "99%" werewolf and you vote that person as soon as a wagon starts to form, yes that sounds like scum who will lynch anyone not on their team.

1. Sounds like scum who will lynch anyone not on their team or town trying to avoid no lynch due to inactivity?

2. You're being dismissive against this.

Hop over to D3 where "everyone's reads have changed" because Theta was such a very big surprise ML and people definitely didn't have stronger SRs and I vote Gamma who I still think has the best chance of flipping scum. People then - 3 days before the deadline with no clear wagon

When everybody flakes out except 4 people, Hiraki must comprimise right to avoid stupid no lynch, right? You (Kmd) cannot say "Sorry, IRL issue" then blame Hiraki for trying to come for plan B due to your "IRL issue"

If you don't like Hiraki compromising, well maybe don't have real life issue, kmd.

The reason why I'm so whiteknighting him is because this is exactly the reason why I compromised with Vedith. I still fucking want Vedith lynch, but that fucking wagon is not moving. I need to work with my biggest scumread to lynch my second biggest scumread. I know Hiraki is rational that at the end of the day, he can lower the bar.

[Realeo]

I'm officially angry.

[Realeo]

Apology for that ad hoc attack should come during post-game

[Realeo]

Hmm. I was under the impression he is being sarcastic.

Pedit: Yes. Look up my iso.

[Realeo]

Here is it

I'm testing the possibility of {Realeo, Kmd, 2 of Hell/Gamma/Hiraki/Flubber} as town

If it doesn't work, then I would try BTD in.

[Realeo]

Maybe townlean is the better word.

[Realeo]

Realeo when was that second quote made? If it was before a wagon existed and right at the beginning of the day, it makes my point for me because his tone changed when a lynch was more probable in that case.

The second post was made by Hiraki as defense against your accusation.

*Takes breath*

Ok. Let me explain why Hiraki tone of change is I think town indicative.

When someone just drives you cuckoo, you just lost it, right?

When I get angry, I express that in form by driving another people crazy. I have done that four times so far

So when I see that sarcastic change, I thought, "He is pissed off."

So I thought, "Is it town pissed off or scum pissed off?"

I see him intentionally go against out of characther, so I say town pissed off.

[Realeo]

Maybe the reason I get emotional is because I see Kmd but head with Hiraki and I just went sad because I'm quite confident there is a good chance of T v T.

I don't know.

But I think I became an arsehole for a moment speak for itself.

[Realeo]

Did I ever say I scumread Kmd?

You're cutting my quote. Here's the full quote.

I personally never consider the scum permutation of kmd/hellfire and I think that clicks a lot of NKA. Would you mind to explain why it's possible of Hell/Kmd independent of NKA?

If you see my game today, I never buy anyone's read based on NKA. I scumread people for other reasons beside NKA.

Dave push Hell simply based on NKA. I push Hell for different reason that does not invovles NKA.

So I ask, "Do you have NKA free read?" I don't see anything from you. I don't see reasons to depart from my townread @ KMD.

[Realeo]

I think I only scumread kmd at the beginning when I get paranoid?

[Realeo]

If you got so sad because you thought Hiraki and kmd were both town going T v T, you wouldn't have entertained the idea that kmd was WW and just defended it (considering it had no impact on where I was voting).

What do you mean "entertained the idea that kmd was ww?"

Me saying "NKA clicks one?"

[Realeo]

BTW, considering the fact that you scumread me twice to death/replacement and I both flip town, I'm taking the liberty to revise the sentence

You obviously forget I

don't

understand the type of player you are.

[Realeo]

I mean, the

only

time you read me correctly was the game where both of us are scum.

[Realeo]

If you got so sad because you thought Hiraki and kmd were both town going T v T, you wouldn't have entertained the idea that kmd was WW and just defended it (considering it had no impact on where I was voting).

What do you mean "entertained the idea that kmd was ww?"

Me saying "NKA clicks one?"

I'm not quite sure what you mean buy this so let me try guess it.

So you're entire concern is "Why you are open to the idea of kmd being scum if you townread him?", right?

Well, I entertain that because I'm being open minded.

Townread != Tunnel

[Realeo]

This is the problem Real, last time we encountered you gave AtE and was town. When you do it once with me, you lose all credibility going forward.
If you AtE as town, you'll AtE as scum... That's just a fact.

I'm cool with that.

[Realeo]

Then you're trying to say that T v T in Hiraki and kmd when you said that the NKA clicks from kmd scum.

BUT I SAID I DON'T CONSIDER NKA!

You're being open minded, yet when kmd votes Hiraki you start shouting and saying it's making you sad?
That's not being open minded, my friend.

I don't understand why that makes me not open minded?

[Realeo]

BUT I SAID I DON'T CONSIDER NKA!

I don't get what you mean with it then?
If you think it's make sense, why not consider it?

Wifom.

I don't understand why that makes me not open minded?

Because you're not being open minded with kmd voting Hiraki.

How does me being sad means I'm not open minded?

[Realeo]

I didn't vote Gamma due to NKA.

Now understand that it's only a scum lean because it's not conclusive per se. However, I believe the kill list (especially D1 kill list) is a collective process where each mafia contributes their scumread and collects it into one kill list so similiarity shows correlation--which grants lean--but not causation--which would vote in that case.

I vote Gamma for non-NKA reason.

I was initially voting you "trigger-go-lucky" for voting BTD--not Flubber--but when you say "I think BTD is mafia" my mind went "Oh, so you're not being hypocrite."

I didn't vote Hell due to non-NKA.

Realeo, my expectation that there is some kind of scum on the kill list is behavioral, not math.
This is coming from someone with a very deep background in game theory who observed mafia's every move the only other time the setup has been played.
They played the other 2 factions like an orchestra btw. Though wolves were at a disadvantage after losing one to a d1 lynch.

If you understand game theory, then you should understand logical statement.

If mafia put werewolf in death list, they would commit wifom.

As you know, a logical statement consists of premise and conclusion which in this case.

Premise : If mafia put werewolf
Conclusion: They would commit wifom

You explained to me in great detail what is the conclusion, thank you!

(Personally, I'm persuaded. However, as you would see on the post below--it's not enough for a vote.)

But you also need to give me evidence of the premise

because a statement is only true when BOTH premise and conclusion if proven.

The problem with "mafia putting werewolf" is MAFIA DOESN'T KNOW WHO IS WEREWOLF*** so you need to explain to me why mafia put ww!HM and the only way to do that is by explaining why mafia scumread them thus they put them in the death list. Which is why I asked you to give case independent of scumread.

My probabilistic analysis is done to explain to you that premise is not a trivial proof.

***Another alternative is mafia putting mafia!HM as gambit, but you still need to explain to me why HM is scum.

I vote Hell due to NKA.

My question was what's realeo's read on Hellfire. Which I guess he needed Hellfire's read to answer?

When Hiraku said that my read at javajoe was wrong, I'm a little bit more precautious approaching Hell--for instance, I did not jump at that read wall.

However, one thing that strikes me the most is that his read are basically null or townread, zero scumread (sqihf doesn't count due to activity).

With javajoe in mind, "Would this be an indication of town!newbie or indication of scum!newbie"

I would guess that a town!newbie would be something like javajoe although less retarded than that. I found that town!newbie would be able to make scumread, but either too afraid to push that or have bad sense of communicating his scumread, thus seems like pushy. town!newbie may be too fixated on one thing, but great event maybe able to show train of thought.
a
However, zero scumread just scratches me the wrong way. It shouts scared scum newbie.

I give credit for NKA when its due.

But it's not part of my consideration.

Hope it clears any confusion.

[Realeo]

Obviously I switched up the nka and non nka on Hell.

[Realeo]

I promise I wlll do NKA when a scum flips. When a scum flip, NKA will be part of my consideration. When multiple scum flips, NKA is going to be part of my consideration.

But without scum flip, it's just sharpshooter fallacy

[Realeo]

if you truley felt the way you did with kmd and Kiraki, you would have reacted the same

to me.

That's where you are wrong.

You are my scumread.

Why do I have to feel sad for my scumread?

[Realeo]

This Hiraki v Kmd is not the only opportunity in this game where I felt sad.

I also felt sad with Hiraki vs Gamma.

I can compromise on Vedith's lynch but I'm seriously struggling on Gamma's lynch.

But seriously, I don't think I can bring my self to GE's lynch.

Because both are my townlean.

If etiher Gamma or Hiraki is not my townlean, there's no need for me to feel sad.

[Realeo]

It doesn't matter who it is. If someone is calling your "town read" scum, you don't encourage it.

But do I have to feel sad for them? Of course not.

Scum voting town does not causes town to loses game.

Town voting town does causes town to loses game.

This is not someone upset that 2 town reads are voting/being voted.

This was an attack on kmd because kmd voted Hiraki

Yes, I attack him because I'm upset he vote him.

But Hell and Flubber are both town leans too, right?

I have made Flubber an exception.

I noticed from the beginning that his scumreading is an omgus scumreading ~ but that's why I townread him and pretty much considered him

as a noise

.

[Realeo]

You reacted as if you have been pushing Hiraki as town all game... When you had him in a pool of 4 people saying that 2 of them were town.

What's wrong with defending my town lean?

[Realeo]

I mean, when there is two candidates to be lynched, one is my scumread and the another is my townlean, you would defend him because he's less optimal lynch from my perspective right?

[Realeo]

No. You are generalizing how human works but that generalization is not how I work.

[Realeo]

Thank you <3

[Realeo]

So much for tone change.

[Realeo]

I'm confident that Dunnstral is specifically mafia. If Dunnstral is not mafia, his wagon would be as quick as Hiraki's wagon.

VOTE: Dunn

But Realeo, it's lylo.

I give no fuck. Mafia can't blitz when it takes 5 to lynch.

[Realeo]

Hello. I assume you have reread during night.

I'm still open to persuasion.

pedit: Nah, I'm setting the tone of this game.

[Realeo]

Currently it's 2 of {kd/RC/Vedith}

What's wrong with kmd?

Nothing really. Wanna flexible.

Pedit:

ok.
UNVOTE:

Pedit:

2 not 1.

[Realeo]

Let me break it down to you.

Now, I don't use NKA to say you town or anti town, but when I call you anti town, I definitely use NKA to say you werewolf or mafia.

1. I know I am town.

1 down. 4 to go.

2. When mafia throws back Dave/Hell back into roster, it's obvious they are hoping that the third person dies in hope of mafia deciding to let Dave/Hell kill each other. That points out, even if I want to play along with Vedith and say anti-town!KMD, that's probably ww!KMD

1 down. 3 to go.

3. When werewolf decided to kill Dave, even if I want to play along with Vedith and say anti-town!KMD, it's obvious Hell is not werewolf or both KMD/Hell is werewolf.

I'm not convinced that Hell is mafia.

1 down. 2 to go.

4. Gamma vs Flubber confrontation at the beginning of D1 shows they are probably not the same scum faction. Intetional distancing? Too early for D1.

Gamma v Flubber

====
BTD, Vedith, Dun

5. BTD never analyses Gamma and

vice versa

. Showing tendency in the same faction

Gamma v Flubber
BTD

Vedith, Dunn

6. That "Realeo you are such as BS" suggests town. I mean, he accuses me AtE. He can uses that to accuse me anti-town. Me don't think that's the case

Gamma + BTD v Flubber

Dunn

7. Confindent from wagon speen, Dunn is mafia. But I don't know which one is.

For me, it's either

Mafia : Dunn, Flubber, ???
Werewolf : Gamma, BTD

or

Mafia : Gamma, BTD, Dunn
Werewolf: Flubber, ???

Pedit: Why werewolf would kill? I mean, if they kill town, it would be 3 - 2 - 2 for mafia win, right?

[Realeo]

Pedit: Why werewolf would kill? I mean, if they kill town, it would be 3 - 2 - 2 for mafia win, right?

I can't believe I never ask this.

@Bins: In a 3 - 2 - 2, does the game ends?

[Realeo]

Vedith/Dunnstral hard reads like a scumteam though.

Why?

One of the reason that I offered Vedith the chance to compromise vote Dunnstral was to see if Vedith/Dunnstral is possible. I thought "Hmm. Vedith read is not necessarily fixed, so if he is in the same faction, Vedith can use that "not so sure" as a (legitimate) excuse."

But he jumped at that.

Me don't think Vedith/Dunn make senses.

[Realeo]

You guys know that the are multiple alternative, like BTD.

[Realeo]

I FUCKING want Dun, but the discussion should not freeze at him only.

[Realeo]

I'm quite confident that BTD is scum judging by his read progression. Like, BTD has no town read and only 2 scumreads? That maybe even worse than Hell.

I'm just not confident with part is it.

[Realeo]

I agree that he is sketchy, but I think he also has some merits and two wrong doesn't makes a right.

Like his play doesn't seem like he'd be paired with both Vedith/Dunnstral, but what if Dunn is a wolfy and he's scum with Vedith and BTD6?

Talking about Vedith, explain your read at trihexa/firescreamer/umlaut.

[Realeo]

The thing with Vedith is he is simply being consistent? You can't really say Vedith is scummy for changinv vote from Dunnstral to Hiraku when he already explain that the mafia {Dunn,Hiraku,BTD}

I can go through if you like but he's not becoming not scum.

Firescreamer is quite crucial to read. He interacts a lot.

[Realeo]

Vedith, RadiantCowbelles, BTD6, Dunn are 4/5 of the scum.

Quick Question

VOTE: Dunn

Why Dunn > Vedith?

[Realeo]

Realeo, agree to not vote me today.

Can't promise, but your concern is noted.

Do you have a read on Fitz and/or kmd? Those are the two I want to sort, I'm pretty sure the rest are a scum faction, but one of those two I think is our 3rd townie.

I feel KMD is towny. KMD most important of the game play would be the really-end day of all D1, D2, D3. The really-end day is when KMD commits to a position. In D1, he decided to settle for Theta instead of javajoe. In D2, he decided to settle for Theta, but expresses interest of Dunn. In D3, suddenly Hiraki > Dunn. The pattern doesn't shout sheeping scum.

Fitz is gamma, right? I think I scumread him and think he is BTD's partner. There are some substantive raised on my iso.

[Realeo]

Fitz is gamma, right? I think I scumread him and think he is BTD's partner. There are some substantive raised on my iso.

Obviously this is a N3 read.

[Realeo]

Alright, I am 100% convinced that Commknight is Mafia!scum.

VOTE: Commknight

Try werewolf.

[Realeo]

Here's the thing with mafia!Commknight.

Werewolf has incentive to lynch mafia while mafia is pretty much mislynch-go-lucky.

There are 5 people on Hiraki's wagon. Maximum of 2 town on that wagon since I (town) and Hiraki (town) won't vote him.

You tell me that there is town KMD + 4 scums on that wagon.

You tell me that commknight is mafia.

But the logical consquence is s that Hiraki's wagon

consists of 2 werewolf and 2 mafia and a town

What the fuck is werewolf doing in Hiraki's wagon?

I don't buy that when werewolf hesitates with Dunnstal, they trigger-go-lucky with Hiraki.

[Realeo]

What the fuck is werewolf doing in Hiraki's wagon?

Who was the counterwagon? DUNNSTRAL.

Yeah, but then mafia is supposed to blitz ww!Dunnstral, not town!Hiraki

From mafia's perspective, both are equally the same.

[Realeo]

Quick question RC.

Your premise is that Vedith/Dunnstral is in the same team.

How come the conclusion is Vedith/Dunstral in the different team, do I miss a premise change?

[Realeo]

Is there anything you don't understand about my read on Commknight's progression?

Your read progression makes senses under the context why Commknight's is anti-town.

But not with why Commknight's is mafia.
=======================================================================
I think, if we want to force Vedith as anti-town, Flubber(Commknight)/Vedith as werewolf explains a lot.

It explains why Vedith is trigger go lucky with Dunnstral/Hiraki.

It explains why Vedith is so bold with his opening (becuase Flubber is inactive)

It also explains the wagon. 1 Town + 1 Werewolf + 3 Mafia can click in. It also explain the speed of the wagon.

Commknight decision to spare his werewolf partner (Vedith) when given the option Dunnstral or Vedith clicks a lot.

The fact that Flubber never engages with any of Trihexa/Firescreamer/Umlaut/Vedith (except that one interaction with Fire) also says they are partner in crime.

[Realeo]

I am willing to lynch Vedith or BTD6 as well.

I can't do Vedith.

VOTE: BTD

CommKnight, I need more detail on ww!BTD

The problem of you two is I see quite an amount of misrep that I can't see you are town getting emotional or scum really biting so hard.

That RC's 4 questions are so misrep as fuck.
Commknight's attack as RC's readlist also misrep as fuck.

[Realeo]

@Realeo, alright, I'll pretend I'm WW for the sake of arguing. Would you argue with lynching RC, then Vedith, then Dunn first?

What is your conclusion of this question?

[Realeo]

Already said I think Realeo is town too

I think the 3 of us are the only town here

Commknight replaced gamma who was 100% scum

VOTE: Commknight

Fitz replaced gamma. Commknight replaced Flubber.

[Realeo]

Which post gives you "the gut", Commknight? There must be a post that alerts your gut.

[Realeo]

does all 3 mafia on Hiraki wagon make sense?

Yes.

2 werewolf don't imo.

There's no need to deadline lynch him when you're on unlimited deadline due to replacement.

[Realeo]

Why are you ignoring the obvious answer that the werewolves thought that Hiraki was mafia?

So who are the werewolf out of {Kmd,Vedith,GE,Dunn,BTD}?

You say KMD is town, right?

Let's pretend that Dunn is werewolf fypov.

So what is Vedith,GE,BTD are? All three mafia. They can't. Comnknight is mafia fypov.

If you want Comnknight to be mafia, you must accept that Vedith is werewolf.

[Realeo]

Quick reminder: i already voted BTD.

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I thought GE aka Fitz was most likely to be werewolf with Dunnstral.

Ok. So Dunnstral's game plane is to bus GE the fuck for the remainder of the game, right?

What gives away that Dunnstral is ultimate bussing GE?

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And why the fuck Dunstral is still bussing GE in a phase where bussing his partner is auto-loss?

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And why the fuck Dunstral is still bussing GE in a phase where bussing his partner is auto-loss?

Well, it's not auto loss, but if you're saying that he's playing hyper long ball game where the only way he can win from bussing GE is by survivng until D9, it needs more than assertion.

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Yeah, I think that's the only scenario. Let me get back to Comm's reasoning why BTD is werewolf though.

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@Bins: What happens in a 3 mafia vs 3 werewolf?

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okay i just now noticed that the town slip was from the person who said hellfire scum slipped
meaning that flubber knows how slipping works
which puts his slip into an entirely different light
VOTE: flubbernugget

Flubbernugget never claimed that Hellfire scumslipped.

Also, are you completely ignoring the possibility that Flubbernugget was Town asking a genuine question?

This is part of it. Plus it seems BTD and Hellfire are not aligned, which means RC is not buddies with BTD. Since I read RC as full-on mafia team, that leaves BTD for the wolves.

How does this quote helps you come to the conclusion that Hellfire are not aligned with BTD? I don't see it at all.

Pedit: Sorry.

@Bins: What happens in 3 Town v 3 Mafia?

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okay I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the remaining town is NOT in btd6/vedith/fitz/dunnstral

Your limb broke.

That is anti climatic.

Is there nothing to say, fitz?