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You know what would be funny
If skitter/Clarity is the the team and Skitter was just trying to save the scum partner she thought she could go further with in Smile by bussing Clarity
That would be funny
Pedit: itt is “in the thread”Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I used to enjoy rolling scum the most
Then I worked on my town game a lot
Rolling scum has gotten less attractive lately
Can we get both skitter and Clarity to L-1?? Let’s find out!
With that I’m outieHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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No claims aside from the one you quoted, fake claims from the dead, and Chara receiving fruit
I’m not very good at leaving the thread apparentlyHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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No really important events aside from voting patterns which are mostly well-documented by votecounts
If you need specific reads on specific slots ask for em, otherwise I’ll assume you’re gonna gather that info by rereading
A summary of D1 would probably be: not much happened till Smile started playing scummy near deadline and I led a lynch on them. Their pushes in retrospect spewed me/persivul/insomnia/tris/fuscezu as probably town
Obviously there’s lots of little things to analyze but no big moments stand out in my memoryHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Tris is town more for tris’ ISO than Smile’s
I buy most of what skitter is selling tbh
I need more from CJ and Succinct before I want any flips
Clarity’s naked skitter vote reads to me like a scumclaim tho so probably we’re already past the point of antispewHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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So how did I get a night result then..?In post 1288, ClearlyClarity wrote:I'm jailkeeper and the other JK is town. Jailed irrelephant last night
Maybe try to let me claim first next time, ye?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Nobody hammer I need to hear more! LolHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Hm
I lied about getting a night result
Just wanted to see reactions but I don’t necessarily want to start a massclaim train just to solve this puzzle
Ignoring the past couple pages I still want to lynch Clarity
But she did past my reaction test kinda
Clarity why did you vote Smile last gameday?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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LolIn post 1355, Fuscezu wrote:is anyone SRing skitter?
I’ll be here when you’re ready to playHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scumHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Faking guilties is too risky though and I don’t have practice making those kinds of risks work
I figured I could at least see what happened if the playerlist thought her claim was fake
Clarity’s reaction in retrospect is more indicative of a true claim than of town, necessarily...
I still think her vote on Smile, Smile’s treatment of Clarity, and Clarity’s naked skitter vote are all very scum indicative
Pedit: those are good points
I think I’m back to “Chara is town unless and until Clarity flips scum, in which case Chara is probably still town but less sure”Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I’ve seen town use fake guilties to great success before and am always interested in improving my playIn post 1375, ClearlyClarity wrote:
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?In post 1364, Irrelephant11 wrote:I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scumHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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This is why I did not do itIn post 1377, ClearlyClarity wrote:
And if you're wrong about me, what happens to your fakeclaim?In post 1376, Irrelephant11 wrote:
I’ve seen town use fake guilties to great success before and am always interested in improving my playIn post 1375, ClearlyClarity wrote:
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?In post 1364, Irrelephant11 wrote:I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum
I did not get fruit night 0In post 1382, skitter30 wrote:irrel but it doesn't seem to have gotten there given that he hasn't claimed it
I’m starting to get the feeling skitter wants to tie herself to Clarity hereIn post 1384, skitter30 wrote:
a) i actually think the 'thinking i got hammered and claiming jk there' is kinda more likely to come from town than notIn post 1313, Chara wrote:when Clearly supposedly thought she was hammered, but then started "spewing herself town", it didn't feel like something that town who just got hammered would say. she was here before when explaining why she didn't explain her skitter vote, but it's only after she was "hammered" that she began to call out scumreading her at all, like in 1299.
b) and yeah her trajectory on me .... does n't make much sense (although i'm going to point out that she called me a scumread on day1, although she couldn't articulate why when asked)
It *is* possible neither Clarity nor skitter is scum here, if the remaining team is maybe CJ/Succinct, but I really feel like it’s not the case they’re both town. And if skitter is scum I’m getting “lynch Clarity after me” vibes from her play. Just throwing this out thereHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Multiple people have suggested tris might be scum
I would like to hear people explore the tris + Smile ISO combo with thoughts
I would also like to hear from trisHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I was fairly confident in town!trisHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Clarity could be 3P
Skitter and fus please talk more about trisHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Idk if I actually believe this but it would explain some thingsIn post 1446, Irrelephant11 wrote:Clarity could be 3PHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Hm. I believe it.
Sorry for tunneling you!
If the other jk has a PM that doesn’t say Clarity is town then maybe claim
Otherwise yeah don’tHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Persivul, where you at?
Succinct/CJ might have a town in it and if so that player needs to step it uppppppp by a lotHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I don't totally understand what your claim info is so far
You targeted Succinct, and ended up at your own front door? What does that have to do with CC/skitter?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Why does this point to skitter being town?In post 1483, RCEnigma wrote:I kinda don't have the best townread on you. But aside from that, town doesn't have much reason to roleblock n0 so....point to Skitter town I guess?
Feels like we’ve caught skitter in a lie, no?
My vote is on skitter in spirit but I’d still like to be able to have anything sortable from CJ/Succinct before night phaseHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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RCE what results did you get on yourself? Motion, because of your own detection?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Skitter any comments or role claim changes before you get lynched btwHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I’m probably gonna hammer skitter today, or maybe tomorrow if anyone wants to get any more analyzing done before eod
Ellitell on skitter, you knowHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I’m on vacation but this one seems mechanically solves tbh so just let me know where to voteHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I did that to start the game moving, to see how people would react, and because I did have a hard time sorting you. Your reaction showed me you believed I was sifting a mechanical clear, which scum would not ever believe, so then you became my strongest townread. I did not have a mechanical clear on you, though, no.In post 1531, Persivul wrote:
Can/will you explain why you gave me the D1 IC pass? Was there more to it than what you said? I read more into it, but now I'm having second thoughts.In post 1530, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m on vacation but this one seems mechanically solves tbh so just let me know where to voteHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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We stopped scum’s kill, I feel good about probably lynching scum today based on night actions, I’m not gonna try as hard todayIn post 1533, Fuscezu wrote:
How do you mean?In post 1530, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m on vacation but this one seems mechanically solves tbh so just let me know where to voteHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 131, Chara wrote:you're a good player and i have some knowledge of your scumgame. innocent until proven guilty is good for me.
same sort of situation as skitter.In post 132, Chara wrote:i could go into it further, but i don't see a reason to start talking about how i think you should be read as scum when i don't need to.In post 151, Chara wrote:elephant after my own heart. except for Clearly.In post 1203, Chara wrote:it's not "might", it's, "i think skitter is scum and you're asking me to vote someone who's never scum if she is."
why the hell would i, elephant?
I’m thinking one of me/Clarity was Chara’s N0 innoIn post 1361, Chara wrote:
i was so excited about your night result. i thought you had a Clarity guilty and that's why you were annoyed with me earlier.In post 1332, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hm
I lied about getting a night result
Just wanted to see reactions but I don’t necessarily want to start a massclaim train just to solve this puzzle
Ignoring the past couple pages I still want to lynch Clarity
But she did past my reaction test kinda
Clarity why did you vote Smile last gameday?
i didn't like her whole claim thing and thinking she was hammered, but now i'm not sure how to proceed.
Skitter seems to be the N1 guiltyHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Because my PoE was already strong enough to win the gameIn post 1536, Blake Belladonna wrote:Why are you assuming that when we have two jailkeepers in the setup?
Stop asking me questions I’m on vacationHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Persivul is townHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Well now you have to explain??Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In what world does scum believe I have a N0 inno on them? It’s not like I could get a N0 inno as a tracker or watcher, since there wasn’t a kill. Why did he obviously believe I had a cop inno on him, if he knew that wasn’t machenically possible?In post 1547, Blake Belladonna wrote:Persivul isn't town.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 11, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ye
Gonna lovktown you for now because I really do struggle to read you and randomness is on my side
Nobody touch Persivul he’s our D1 ICHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 983, Persivul wrote:
RTFT. I very recently said that he's my strongest town read (my only real town read actually).In post 980, Smile wrote:Persi what is your read of relly rn?In post 990, Persivul wrote:
That can come out later, but for now it's private. If you want votes on irrel, look elsewhere.In post 989, Smile wrote:Ok what metrics do you use to read him? What are those insights?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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And I took that ^ to be a reference to how in our S/S game “read between the lines” (regarding power roles) was a common thread of the game
Pedit: also considering I’m the most likely N0 inno from Chara it’s not super worth discussing me being scum pocketing PersivulHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I don’t see the MKM/Succinct townread
I think CJ is probably scum here too (he probably thought he was quickhammering town)Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Me/Persivul/Clarity/Fuscezu/Insomnia and probably but not necessarily your slot are townIn post 1539, Blake Belladonna wrote:And what is your PoE?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Lol!In post 1563, ClearlyClarity wrote:Jailed, not nailed. Though mayhaps we should nail him today.
What’s was succinct’s claim again?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Oh, Mirror
I could see that being a scum role thoHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Especially in a game with a cop, two jailkeepers, and a poisonerHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Scum needs some power and voyeur isn’t itHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Persivul still town though
CJ is powerful lonescum at this point or his partner is one of Blake/Succinct/RCE
I don’t see a reason not to massclaim today but stop me if you doHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 1577, Blake Belladonna wrote:Irrelephant is looking like the second scum.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I am the N0 innoHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Blake is scum
There’s a 0% chance I’m anything but town here for a lot of reasons. “Needs to be flipped before lylo” is how scum talks about someone they’re trying to lightly shade, not how town talks about the towniest slot in the game
Feel free to lynch wheneverHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Actually, now’s as good a time as any
D3 has arrived, so I can finallydayvig: BlakeHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Stop entertaining the idea I should ever be lynched
I’m Irrel Eph’ing conftown
CJ does your role include information on the alignment of the other jailkeeper?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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So the only way CJ or CC is scum is if both jailkeepers are mafia together, which is a nonzero chance but pretty unlikely
Blake’s reaction to being “dayvigged” is pretty good so I’ll town BB slot again
RCE/Succinct is he team?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I mean 100% certain they’re the same alignmentIn post 1647, Blake Belladonna wrote:My only worry with the setup of this game was a Town Jailkeeper + Scum Jailkeeper, but that worry is completely gone with the assurance from both jailkeepers that they both are town.
Tiny chance they’re both scum given they’re both pretty scummy outside their claims
But like, a tiny tiny chance since the mod softconfirmed the jailkeepers as townHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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so Fus should probably say who was protected last night IF the jailkeepers canceled each other out
Because that slot is then conftown
Scum should probably concede tbhHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I mean if you’re BOTH scumIn post 1655, ClearlyClarity wrote:There’s no point in even speculating about me and CJ being scum JKs
I would have no reason to put that both JKs were town in my claim unlessthat info was given right in my PM.
Scum already know that they’re in a team.
It’s just,
A lie....
But yeah prolly notHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Iirc Persivul has asked us to lynch him today for role reasons
Doesn’t seem survivalistic to me
I’m trying to imagine the world where fuscezu is scum here
Smile’s vote on Fus was survivalistic and that’s part of how we caught them. But maybe it was meant to be a soft bus that they would later retract? As soon as Smile was actually going down they moved their vote to me...
Just thinking, because Fus/RCE/Blake have the least-confirmed role claims so far I think (besides Persivul and I who have not claimed) and scum needs some power in a game with a cop and 2 jailkeepers.
I still think Mafia Mirror makes sense in this setup if all the other claims are accurateHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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What does gf mean here?
I’m also bad at setup spec I just think Succinct shouldn’t be clear by claim and definitely isn’t clear by dayplay
I kinda scumread Blake still even though I townread tris and the visitor claim doesn’t help muchHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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RCE what was your result last night?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I can’t decide
Scumteam is either {2 of Blake/Succinct/RCE/Persivul} or {Clarity/CJ}
I still think Persivul is town, and I doubt the scumteam is the jailkeepers
I guess VOTE: Succinct?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Oh Fus is still a possibility?
Yeah idk manHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I felt confident coming into this game day that the scumteam was CJ and one of Succinct/RCE
Not sure how to put together a team if CJ is townHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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