Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

[BananaCucho]

I've wanted to hold out. But tbh I don't see how I survive past today anyway

[BananaCucho]

I keep seeing, Jackal and RedTea in the lobby but they aren't posting.
Maybe they're just phone checking though. Not sure how that works.

Where are you seeing that?

[BananaCucho]

Okay

I am gonna hurt myself, and extend the day 24 hours. That means 1 more corruption and oops! I'll have 3

There is another side effect that's pretty cool. Does anyone wanna guess?

[BananaCucho]

Why do you have 2 corruption?

From using my ability. Drawback

[BananaCucho]

There is another side effect that's pretty cool. Does anyone wanna guess?

If you're going to die as a result I'd rather you not , unless the side effect is *really* cool.
What is it, a venge shot?

-Dumbass

I'm gonna die anyway lol

Its not that cool

[BananaCucho]

I do like playing with fire tho heheh

Corruption chicken here we go

[BananaCucho]

Should I be ducking for cover?

Naw mate, its just a neato burrito thing to get the game going again, mixed with some wifom

[BananaCucho]

I'm gonna die anyway lol

Yeah, but it takes away one NK from scum, no? Unless you'd die without the NK.

-Dumbass

I'll have 2 corruption, so I wont be able to hammer anyone just in case

[BananaCucho]

Well, I like this discussion. Idk if we should mass claim yet tbh. I'll let others comment more first

I sent a cancel pm for my action for now, I'll see if Dunn honors it lol

[BananaCucho]

Tbh, if I had a chaos chicken ability I would probably have already used it and killed myself.
Because Chaos chicken.

ELI5 chaos chicken?

[BananaCucho]

Oh nvm lol

[BananaCucho]

Guys I don't have a role card

I have a role library

[BananaCucho]

It occurs to me that if Dunstral doesn't honor your retract you're dead and I would appreciate your reads and opinions before you go to the banana sunday in the sky.

Oh I wont be dead yet

Let me be clear, I have 1 corruption

If my action goes through I'll have 2

[BananaCucho]

I'm like a warlock

Take 2 damage, draw a card

[BananaCucho]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

I can self harm multiple times but its a day action

I don't have the specific action you're looking for

[BananaCucho]

Also fwiw

I didn't realize I had this action til EOD day 1 lol. Got lost in the rest of the essay thats my role lol

[BananaCucho]

I can support Jackel too, I wanted them over Math

The whole "I'm not backing off of Norwee" stuff does feel kinda like frustrated townie from Porky

[BananaCucho]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

I can self harm multiple times but its a day action

I don't have the specific action you're looking for

Couldn't you have self-harmed D1 and then gained voting powers immediately?

Yes

Also fwiw

I didn't realize I had this action til EOD day 1 lol. Got lost in the rest of the essay thats my role lol

[BananaCucho]

Its good though since I learned that someone can give me a fruit

[BananaCucho]

Its good though since I learned that someone can give me a fruit

Were you told who gave you the fruit, or just that you were given a fruit with no specifications?

The 2nd one

[BananaCucho]

Dunn did let me cancel my action btw

[BananaCucho]

Also anyone continuing to vote Norwee after their last few posts is going to come under heavy scrutiny

[BananaCucho]

I'm wondering if the fruit vendor knows that their fruit gives corruption

@Fruit Vendor you probably shouldn't hand out too much more fruit. I'm actually not too familiar with fruit vendor strategy though as it's a role I just googled now and am generally unfamiliar with. So, you do you I guess, but be careful too

[BananaCucho]

I'm wondering if the fruit vendor knows that their fruit gives corruption

@Fruit Vendor you probably shouldn't hand out too much more fruit. I'm actually not too familiar with fruit vendor strategy though as it's a role I just googled now and am generally unfamiliar with. So, you do you I guess, but be careful too

I'm sure they had a hunch ofc

[BananaCucho]

I don’t have time for this. if you all don’t see norwee scum I’m not going to waste any more of my breath. I’ll read for his partners and we’ll just go from there. Right now probably looking at DD.

K, good riddance.

I have never see norwee tilt this hard. I’m not sure what to make of it.

Jackel still seems like flipbait to me, bee seems townships, and I’m starting to get bad feelings about starbuck

Plant your vote on Starbuck atm? I don't wanna have to switch back to you at the moment if I can avoid that

[BananaCucho]

I'm suspicious of this "fruit vendor" as well. It might be a town role, but it sounds just as likely it could be a scum role as D/D says.
On the other hand, Banana did explicitly ask for someone to give him corruption so he could use his voting powers yesterday.

Yes. Yes I did.

[BananaCucho]

If they are a town role, I agree they should claim today tbh

Unless anyone else wants to admit they can benefit from higher corruption?

[BananaCucho]

Banana I might be wrong, but if you keep compulsively checking this page you’re gunna tire yourself out. Pace thineself.

Where do you see that lol

[BananaCucho]

The Bell of the ball

[BananaCucho]

[quote="In post 1065, Starbuck"][/quote]

If you're town then yes there is a point, because your elimination is not set in stone

But I've been a demotivated scum before so if you give up now then yes you will be eliminated today

[BananaCucho]

I'll talk to you Starbuck

Who do you see as being opportunistic right now?

[BananaCucho]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

This might be coming to a head.

redtea when you come back I need you to explain this to me

[BananaCucho]

At least half of the players in this game are barely even playing

It really doesn't help solving things

[BananaCucho]

At least half of the players in this game are barely even playing

It really doesn't help solving things

Exactly, so that's why I don't get this push for policy or low activity.

I apologize for adding to it, though.

But that's the thing Starbuck, it's not a policy push at all. Unless you want to argue that voting anyone other than myself, DD, Bell, or Norwee is a push for policy? We literally have to vote a less active player if we are not voting one of the 4 most active

So do I "policy" you? Or porky? Or redtea? Or bee? Or catboi? I guess you can throw alligator back into the more active players for day 2, they've definitely turned that around

I can't remember who said it day 1, but eventually we're just gonna have to get some courage to vote a less active player, unless you want to vote an active player. Which imo is a bad idea right now because literally all scum has to do this game is target the rest of the active players at night and lurk the game into a victory, because after finding out Bell is a fruit vendor I'm not voting them and I highly doubt that both DD+Norwee are scum

So I'm here, let's talk, let's work on it. If you wan to ISO fine, I'll give you some space and some time to do it

UNVOTE:

[BananaCucho]

I'll talk to you Starbuck

Who do you see as being opportunistic right now?

NEE and Bell.

One or both of the heads of D&D have played with me before, so I can't disagree with their read. I am more normally involved and caught up. I just kinda got blindsided with a big work project and trying to figure out what's happening in CT in regards to Isaias (my entire fam is up there and they are talking about weeks without power possibly - most of them are in the age range to be Seniors). So yeah, I've been distracted.

It bothers me that there have been a penchant for policy style pushes within this game and players. I mean, even down to stalking login times on the front page? It's gross. Just because someone is low activity doesn't automatically make them scum, especially when they are trying to make an effort.

I'm also concerned that Jackal jumped aboard that because I try to think the best of folks when there are longer than usual absences, which is why I stood up for her when folks went after her for the same thing yesterday. I also think androgybee's late entrance to Day 2 and shade of me (when they haven't even tried to be around) is hypocritical.

You also argued that Joey was being opportunistic with their push on porky

I still think policy is opportunistic and am not a fan of this recent push by Joey. Again, you can just go to Porkens site profile and see he's been a bit absent the past few days.

Not sure when he turned it on within his profile, though. I do know that the banner was on his profile last night as I was catching up.

Sure, there could/may be a scum being opportunistic and pushing policy. But everyone here is scum for doing that? There's at least 1, maybe 2 scum literally lurking this game away, I'm fairly sure of it.

[BananaCucho]

@Bell

Give me fruit again tonight. If I die (very likely) I take the corruption with me.

[BananaCucho]

Sorry for the spam but I'm just throwing shit around right now

No matter what, none of these players will be targeted for a night kill by scum:

- Redtea
- Starbuck
- Catboi
- Bee
- Porky
- Jackel

It's just not happening

One of these players IS being targeted tonight:

(most likely)
Me






DD
Bell












Norwee
(least likely)

If we eliminate Norwee, for example, and I die tonight. DD and Bell talk to each other a bit, game continues to be a lurkfest. I will NOT vote Norwee

TODAY

, anyone who wants Norwee to be voted you will need to table that for another day. There's no way there's only 1 scum, swallow your pride and help me find them

[BananaCucho]

@Bell

Give me fruit again tonight. If I die (very likely) I take the corruption with me.

I understand this impulse but we might just want to put corruption on players we find scummy, and either they die or get caught surviving with corruption beyond the regular threshold. Would depend on if there are other potential killing roles in the setup, though.

I don't know that 1 guy doling out rotten apples will be enough to take down a scum. Unless Porky is scum for example, hammers again a 2nd time and gets a fruit. Like Bell will have to target someone 2-3 times, and he's not going to live that long

[BananaCucho]

To be clear: enough people have expressed concerns about Norwee that they all can't be scum, I'm willing to consider those concerns, day 3-4 and beyond

Right now I am most definitely NOT

[BananaCucho]

What I really want right now is to catch a lurker scum, and then be able to analyze that scum's interactions with others

What I really don't want right now is to hear pre-flip association arguments about anybody

[BananaCucho]

This is going to sound like buddying, but i just can't stop nodding and agreeing almost everytime Banana posts anything.

I've embraced your buddying from the start, go ahead and continue to buddy me as you wish lol

I won't live long enough to have to make a decision on you so idc

[BananaCucho]

Limited to phone posting for next few days.
Read a little about roles. I think it would be better to claim here, I gave the fruit to Banana.

We think this claim is townie, btw

- Dumber

Yeah, it seems extremely unlikely that scum would get to throw corruption at people in addition to the night kill

[BananaCucho]

So I'm here, let's talk, let's work on it. If you wan to ISO fine, I'll give you some space and some time to do it

I appreciate this. I'll wrap up my work day and hop on a few.

Np, we have what 5-6 days or something right? More if I warlock myself to extend it

That being said, please don't take 5 days lol

[BananaCucho]

There's basically 0 reason to vote norwee and the persistence of the push on him by certain players is troubling.

By my count 4-5 players have scumread Norwee in some capacity. I don't understand it, but it's worth looking into eventually

[BananaCucho]

Ooooops lmao

VOTE: Something Smart

But it was for the vote on androgybee for trolling, which was shortly cleared up. Like I said, I got all kinds of mixed up.

Honestly, with the Joey kill, I'd think it'd be better to look at his townreads in this case. Like, he was generally townread, so he wasn't likely to be eliminated, especially considering the only person I can remember really suspecting him was redtea, a close candidate for the elimination? IDK, I really ought to sleep before trying to decide which way I should read the WIFOM

Jackel, did you end up looking into Joey's townreads?

[BananaCucho]

I'm looking over Redtea's ISO and I like their content today so far

[BananaCucho]

I'm also concerned that Jackal jumped aboard that because I try to think the best of folks when there are longer than usual absences, which is why I stood up for her when folks went after her for the same thing yesterday. I also think androgybee's late entrance to Day 2 and shade of me (when they haven't even tried to be around) is hypocritical.

For the record, I don't think you're scum; I was just confused by Porkens thinking I had a TR on you. You're mostly null? I generally agree with your reads, and you don't mesh well with my top SRs. I just agreed that lurking can be a good strategy for scum to fly under the radar.

I can't remember who said it day 1, but eventually we're just gonna have to get some courage to vote a less active player, unless you want to vote an active player. Which imo is a bad idea right now because literally all scum has to do this game is target the rest of the active players at night and lurk the game into a victory, because after finding out Bell is a fruit vendor I'm not voting them and

I highly doubt that both DD+Norwee are scum

Why? Is it more that you townread them independently (so you think it's statistically unlikely that both would flip town), or that you have a specific reason for you thinking that those two wouldn't be scum together?\

@Bell

Give me fruit again tonight. If I die (very likely) I take the corruption with me.

That really doesn't sound like a good idea. Then scum can just kill someone else, since you'd be dead anyways.



OK so I really thought I sent the above at like 12:44 but apparently I didn't.

Yes. I independently town read both DD and Norwee. I don't normally do pre-flip associations.

And I only have 1 corruption rn, if I get a 2nd corruption I won't die. I was able to cancel my self harm action with Dunn.

[BananaCucho]

It's starting to feel really scummy how people like Jackel and Starbuck are scumread for bad content/bad posts yet they keep framing it as if they're being pushed for "inactivity" (even though that is also a point against them) and trying to vote active players.

Do you think only inactive players should be pushed right now? Also, that's not my main reason for SRing you. It's that I can't find any substance beyond the inactivity behind your reads, and you haven't responded once when I asked for some.

Jackel, did you end up looking into Joey's townreads?

Not really, tbh? I tried to work it out, but it was just a mass of WIFOM. Like, I scumread NEE. I can build a narrative in my head for why NEE would kill Joey (lock in Joey's TR on him, throw suspicion on his SRs), but that's really just confirmation bias.

And I only have 1 corruption rn, if I get a 2nd corruption I won't die. I was able to cancel my self harm action with Dunn.

I mean, it'd probably be better for a generally scumread person to take it

, especially one who doesn't have any corruption yet, imo?

Is there anyone else today that you're willing to consider other than Norwee?

And for the corruption, are you volunteering?

[BananaCucho]

is changing avatars in the middle of a game considered bad etiquette? like, it would make me no longer "alligator", but my current one is meh.

Go for it imo

[BananaCucho]

Assuming Norwee doesn't tunnel me into the ground today, I'd take the fruit, sure.

Maybe Porkens? That's like a mega compromise, though. I'm also sort of still scumleaning on DD.

I'll mark you down for Porky then

[BananaCucho]

Maybe later.

dude you are the worst except the worst is better than you smh

Heyyyyyyy that name seems familiar, do they still play mafia?

[BananaCucho]

fwiw Norwee, I get you

[BananaCucho]

Woah

[BananaCucho]

(⌯͒ᵕɪᵕ⌯͒)zzZ Hardly rolefoshing when multiple people have bandied about the idea of massclaiming today, and nonsensical to single that out from me. I'm saying that if the kill is not coming from town, outing roles further than we already have is bad.

“Nooo don’t single me out I was following the crowd!!”

VOTE: catboi

I'm sorry but if the only reason you're voting Catboi is for this post that is the weakest vote I've seen this game

Anything else seem scummy from Catboi to you? I'm really liking their posts today

[BananaCucho]

And if my reads are wrong... i haven’t seen anything convincing to make me turn those reads around yet.
I’m convinced my main TR’s are correct so i’d like to just PoE the lesser slots from there.

Put the wolves in a box! POE getting a bit smaller today IMO

[BananaCucho]

And if my reads are wrong... i haven’t seen anything convincing to make me turn those reads around yet.
I’m convinced my main TR’s are correct so i’d like to just PoE the lesser slots from there.

Put the wolves in a box! POE getting a bit smaller today IMO

Are you saying you agree with me?

Your reads are in the same ballpark as mine, yeah, just switch a few names around a bit

[BananaCucho]

Make a reads list YO.
So i can compare.

[BananaCucho]

Right now I'm at 3 players specifically that I'm willing to cut loose, barring any spectacular revelations

[BananaCucho]

[BananaCucho]

Banana, cat, bell, can I ask you to vote Star please?

- Dumber

I want to give Starbuck time since I promised her that

Patience

[BananaCucho]

I don’t want to flip either jackel or starbuck atm.

I kinda wanna flip you tbh

[BananaCucho]

I don’t want to flip either jackel or starbuck atm.

I don't wanna flip Catboi, why are you even voting them?

From what I can tell, reactionary from one specific post

[BananaCucho]

i also haPpen have 4 tiers
catboi and norwEe share the same tier for me
there may or may Not be addItional playerS in that tier
it is not tier 1

[BananaCucho]

Did you just crumb what i think you did?

Saintass

[BananaCucho]

You know, we might actually just be better of killing scummy inactives, because if they're not gonna play then mafia will just kill active town and we'll end up with a super unmotivated game in the end and scum thrives in that kinda environment.

The question I have is how long do we allow Starbuck to come back and play the game before defaulting to them basically rolling over

[BananaCucho]

I see no good reason why catboi made that ultimatum.

There are an extremely limited number of people who could claim to have made the extra kill, and I'm not sure a vig fits in the picture with the roles we already know of. I'm concerned the extra kill was not from a town player.

This logic checks out

[BananaCucho]

And forcing that hypothetical town player to claim today accomplishes what?

Helps us solve the game tbh

If they have a second shot, I wouldn't claim. But if they already used it, they definitely should have claimed a long time ago. Btw, shared insights on site meta regarding vig shots (1x, 2x, etc) would be appreciated

I agree with the logic that waiting to claim later is more scummy than townie

I am definitely of the opinion that a vig does not exist, given that the shot makes absolutely no sense from a town player. There were way better options to shoot today that could have helped us towards solving this game

[BananaCucho]

Maybe later.

This kind of stuff just comes across to me like scum who thinks he can’t be caught.

I have no interest in flipping starbuck today.

I am not fully opposed to a mass claim.

Staring to get low grade pings from a couple others

Rat didn’t want his corruption to be lowered, bell. Any insight on that?

Porky, I would like to get some more insight on this. Who (other than catboi) has been pinging you today?

[BananaCucho]

Bee's ISO for day 2 is not good

[BananaCucho]

Bee/Starbuck/Porky

Throw a dart in there, I feel like we have a pretty high chance of hitting scum

[BananaCucho]

Bee/Starbuck/Porky

Throw a dart in there

Well Banana cake.
Do it.

[BananaCucho]

What's y'all's reasoning for not including Jackel in the elimination pool anymore?

Sorry, I try. Helps when I use quotes but sometimes I get a little over-confident with my coherence. Or I'm on mobile, as I am now.

This is my personal pool, I expect everyone to have differing opinions on it

IMO alligator is a player who probably found themselves in a bad spot early and has been trying to turn it around. Day 2 I'm raising the bar and she's meeting the expectation for me. She seems to be putting forth an effort to solve the game. Day 3 we'll raise the bar more.

[BananaCucho]

So if they breathe they will be qualified to rise above the bar?

That's definitely not fair for alligator at all

[BananaCucho]

I don’t understand the obsession with starbuck. Her catchups have seemed fine to me. I don’t really get scum vibes from bee either.

My pool is norwee/catboi/DD. Don’t even need a dart.

Starbuck has done catchups. They haven't done anything to try to solve the game.

[BananaCucho]

Porkens isn’t solving the game either. In fact, everyone scumreading me except maybe Redtea. And Jackel seemingly struggling with why i’d kill Joey. ...Have no real reasoning behind their read on me. And don’r bring up much more thought than: "i’m going to base all my reads on Norwegian being scum, instead of genuinely considering or explaining why the people half the game read as scum are likely town".
So Porkens/Starbuck comes out worst in that regard.

I know they're not. Look at my POE again

[BananaCucho]

Ngl I’m kinda sick of the cliques.

What cliques are you referring to? The town core?

[BananaCucho]

I don't understand what you're trying to do here.

[BananaCucho]

Porky can you tell me what you're basing some of these "vibes" on? If you're town, can you honestly say that you wouldn't be getting these types of vibes from other players, such as Starbuck, if they played the game more? All Starbuck has done is catchups. Of course you're not going to get any vibes from them if they don't provide anything to get vibes from

[BananaCucho]

Because, from my perspective you're one of two things

1) Town who is trying to offer a unique/different perspective on things (this can be good actually)

or 2) A wolf who is boxed in, and is lashing out and trying to cast as much doubt on the towncore. For all I know, 2 or more scum are in the general POE and are going to get knocked out really quickly here

The catboi read is interesting. I don't necessarily have them as high up on my town list as others. And I will admit, that Norwee has gone down on my list. But the 3 scum reads you have are DD/Norwee/Catboi.

In order for DD/Norwee to be scum, that means pretty much every person lurking this game out is a lazy town. I don't and won't buy that. I will

entertain

the idea that one of these may be scum, but in the game we likely have 3 scum at least. So I'm not going to lynch in there today. No way. 110% no way

[BananaCucho]

How about we do this Porky. Because I will not and cannot entertain taking a stab at certain players today because if they are town and are mislynched, we are literally just doing scum a favor here. They are going to kill me and then move onto the other active town players. We can literally leave them for later

So tell me, who are you willing to compromise from this list?

Redtea
Jackel
Starbuck
Bee

I would appreciate 1 name you're willing to compromise on there, the person you most think is scummy. Because I'm telling you, there's no way the scum team is DD/Norwee/Catboi. You may have 1 scum in there. But there is scum outside it as well.

[BananaCucho]

I know I am bombarding you, but I just found something else in your ISO that is bothering me and it's this:

Spoiler: Porky

I don’t have time for this. if you all don’t see norwee scum I’m not going to waste any more of my breath. I’ll read for his partners and we’ll just go from there. Right now probably looking at DD.

K, good riddance.

I have never see norwee tilt this hard. I’m not sure what to make of it.

Jackel still seems like flipbait to me, bee seems townships, and

I’m starting to get bad feelings about starbuck

Beetlejuice achievement unlocked!

Valid question, although...

Jackel why do you TR starbuck?

That doesn't seem strong enough to then advocate for eliminating + vigging both me and Starbuck, where it would put us at ELo if you're wrong twice. Is there any reasoning beyond this for me being your #1 scumpick?

Here is where I interpret you assuming starbuck is town.

Maybe later.

This kind of stuff just comes across to me like scum who thinks he can’t be caught.

I have no interest in flipping starbuck today.

I am not fully opposed to a mass claim.

Staring to get low grade pings from a couple others

Rat didn’t want his corruption to be lowered, bell. Any insight on that?

I don't understand how Starbuck's catchups flipped you from feeling bad about them, questioning Jackel's TR on them to all of a sudden having no interest in flipping them. Can you help me out with this thought process so that I can understand it instead of assuming it's just made up?

Those 4 posts are in a row in your ISO, spread out over about a day

[BananaCucho]

1067 and 1071 dismantle the reasoning on her and take her off the table for me.

Anything specific from 1067? There's quite a lot of nothings in there.

1071 is pretty critical of Jackel and Bee. Do you disagree with those criticisms?

[BananaCucho]

Like Starbuck herself states in 1067 that she's been doing IIOA

[BananaCucho]

Fair.

[BananaCucho]

Oooooooo time to read, thank you for returning Starbuck

[BananaCucho]

Like Starbuck herself states in 1067 that she's been doing IIOA

I was kinda being sarcastic there to be fair. It's pretty shitty to be working through trying to sort the game and constantly have folks label your posts as IIoA when you're in perpetual catch-up mode because 2 people hold around 500+ posts of the game.

I had 1100 posts in my last game on sc2mafia that lasted 2 weeks

Don't tempt me lol

[BananaCucho]

After reading that I feel better about a Bee elimination today

[BananaCucho]

Hey prod recieved.
Uh on a 1-10 scale how likely are we to be yeeted today?

~Bee

The beetlejuicing here is astounding

[BananaCucho]

Ok so we are a conditional IC but the cost to trigger the action is incredibly large.

~Bee

What is an IC?

[BananaCucho]

What's the cost?

[BananaCucho]

I don't have experience playing with that role but if yours confirmable that's enough to hold off for day 2

Guess my POE just got smaller

[BananaCucho]

Horseshitni don’t believe you

VOTE: androger

lol

[BananaCucho]

Bee by games end you are going to have to confirm yourself

After I'm dead make sure you see to this guys

[BananaCucho]

What does everyone think? Have Bee confirm today or wait?

[BananaCucho]

@Porky

[quote="In Something_Smart has been killed. They were the

Saintess

Welcome to Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

You are the

Saintess

---

Sancta Terra: When using this ability, you gain 1 point of

Corruption

. Target a player at night to learn their alignment. If your target is aligned with the town, they gain a vial of holy water; a 1-shot night ability that removes 1 point of

Corruption

from another target player.

Atonement: Target player loses 1 point of

Corruption

.

Legend of the Saintess: Your role's existence and alignment, but not what your role does, will be confirmed at the start of the game. If you are ever eliminated (by vote, not by

Corruption

or any other killing method), the next day phase will be skipped, and all town-aligned players lose 1 point of

Corruption

.

The stories are often exaggerated and embellished. But not always.

---

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

---

Please confirm by replying to this pm with your role name.
The game thread is here

------

It is now day 2.[/quote]

IC claim seems different enough from Saintass?

[BananaCucho]

Thats broken but tbh I dont care lol

[BananaCucho]

@Porky if Bee confirms what is your next move?

[BananaCucho]

Don’t give them a breath that calombos shit as if there could be two saintass PLEASE HELLO!!

Also can you please address all my posts to you on the last page

[BananaCucho]

Also looking at any additional insights Starbuck may have given this developmemt

[BananaCucho]

This is where I think we are, yes?

Starbuck (2): Dumb and Dumber, NorwegianboyEE
androgybee (3): redtea, Starbuck, Porkens
NorwegianboyEE (1): Jackel98
Porkens (2): catboi, Bell

Not Voting (2): androgybee, BananaCucho

[BananaCucho]

@Bee please tell us the cost.

@redtea @Porky if Bee reveals what is your next move

@Jackel I need you to move off of Norwee, he is not being eliminated today

[BananaCucho]

{BananaCucho, Norwe, Catboi} we're at strong town for all of these.
My partner townreads andro, and I think the claim comes from town too: strongly think they should reveal the cost at some point at least next game day.

-Dumbass

We need coat today imo

Public reveal tomorrow if we mislynch today. If theres 2 kills we will be in big trouble

[BananaCucho]

@Porky if Bee confirms what is your next move?

Back to solving the game by pushing the rest of my scumpool hello?!

Stellar

[BananaCucho]

Hmmmm......UNVOTE: .

I need to reevaluate.

Who else you got on your shit list?

[BananaCucho]

I'm pretty sure Porkens is the play today

[BananaCucho]

But I wanna see what Starbuck does next

[BananaCucho]

gonna start reading and give some thoughts on today. might also look back at how the NDMath wagon progressed and see if anything jumps out in retrospect.

our claim probably needs to be resolved today, so please hold our feet to the fire on that. dont end the day before we've elaborated.

~Nahdia

Can you please tell me the cost

[BananaCucho]

TOWN DOESNT TEY TO LOOK TOWN

FLIP CATBOI

HELLLOOOOOOOO

Are you actively ignoring my questions directed at you?

[BananaCucho]

What questions are you talking about it looks oikebive answers every question at me

Answer this at least please

How about we do this Porky. Because I will not and cannot entertain taking a stab at certain players today because if they are town and are mislynched, we are literally just doing scum a favor here. They are going to kill me and then move onto the other active town players. We can literally leave them for later

So tell me, who are you willing to compromise from this list?

Redtea
Jackel
Starbuck
Bee

I would appreciate 1 name you're willing to compromise on there, the person you most think is scummy. Because I'm telling you, there's no way the scum team is DD/Norwee/Catboi. You may have 1 scum in there. But there is scum outside it as well.

[BananaCucho]

I'm not full claiming today lol

But I'll keep leaking stuff if I survive til tomorrow. Theres quite a lot

[BananaCucho]

Nope

I am not full claiming today

[BananaCucho]

Why did you ask for a second fruit when you wouldn’t be able to use your power if you didn’t get nked that night due to reaching 2 corruption? and why does it matter if you claim if you’re convinced you’re going to be nked anyway?

It matters

[BananaCucho]

What questions are you talking about it looks oikebive answers every question at me

Answer this at least please

How about we do this Porky. Because I will not and cannot entertain taking a stab at certain players today because if they are town and are mislynched, we are literally just doing scum a favor here. They are going to kill me and then move onto the other active town players. We can literally leave them for later

So tell me, who are you willing to compromise from this list?

Redtea
Jackel
Starbuck
Bee

I would appreciate 1 name you're willing to compromise on there, the person you most think is scummy. Because I'm telling you, there's no way the scum team is DD/Norwee/Catboi. You may have 1 scum in there. But there is scum outside it as well.

What questions are you talking about it looks oikebive answers every question at me

Answer this at least please

How about we do this Porky. Because I will not and cannot entertain taking a stab at certain players today because if they are town and are mislynched, we are literally just doing scum a favor here. They are going to kill me and then move onto the other active town players. We can literally leave them for later

So tell me, who are you willing to compromise from this list?

Redtea
Jackel
Starbuck
Bee

I would appreciate 1 name you're willing to compromise on there, the person you most think is scummy. Because I'm telling you, there's no way the scum team is DD/Norwee/Catboi. You may have 1 scum in there. But there is scum outside it as well.

happy to compromise on the person I'm voting for.

And when they confirm their role? Starbuck/Redtea/Jackel

PICK ONE

[BananaCucho]

the rest of those are town.

I'm done with you tbh, you're who I'm voting today

[BananaCucho]

Okay, can you at least tell me if any of the claimed roles so far don’t fit well with any of your powers and could be scum fake claims?

Nothing seems out of the ordinary so far if that's what you're asking

Norwees tease was odd but I havent given it much thought

[BananaCucho]

Rat not wanting his corruption lowered makes no sense to me. :/ where did he say that?

Like page 1 lol

[BananaCucho]

I want to veto mass claim today

[BananaCucho]

Why, banana?

I'm counting on WIFOM possibly sparing me another day

[BananaCucho]

Pretty much yeah

[BananaCucho]

I don't see how you living to tomorrow is better than catching mafia today. :/

I don't think we need to mass claim to catch a mafia today

[BananaCucho]

Like sometimes the simplest/easiest answer is the correct one

[BananaCucho]

And I'm fairly sure Porkens is a boxed wolf. I've tried to engage with them, talk with them, find a compromise but they simply tell me that my reads are all backwards. They scum read everyone in my "no lynch" list and town read everyone in my POE

And they are lashing out frustrated but have given me no explanation to how the scum team is DD/Norwee/Catboi

And their vote is still on someone who I'm fairly certain is host confirmed by day end and are refusing to consider a vote in Jackel/Redtea/Starbuck

If Porky flips mafia, a 2nd mafia is very extremely likely in that bunch if 3. And its probably Starbuck tbh

[BananaCucho]

Okay Banana, can we at least do a cram session and decide between the three of them which one is most likely by going over there whole things tomorrow?
How much time do we have left.

I think we have like 3 days?

If everyone wants to mass claim, fine. I won't fight it further.

[BananaCucho]

I can also still extend the game 24 hours

I'll do that last after everyone has claimed, and things will make more sense

[BananaCucho]

Extend the day*

[BananaCucho]

Are you sure that, that's the best ability for us though?

I'm saying if we need the extra 24 hours I can use that

We have 2 days 22 hours left

[BananaCucho]

My role isn't super powerful so i don't mind claiming it now.

I've got one of the powers the saintess had.

I'm the

Cleric

. I can use atonement and decrease the corruption of a player i target at night by 1 point.

Night 1 i targeted Catboi.

That's it really.
But i crumbed my role in one of the first posts i had in the game. (13)

Why didn't you target Porkens?

[BananaCucho]

If anyone else other than Porkens and myself got corruption last night I think that needs to be claimed

[BananaCucho]

Why didn't I target porkens is a better question.

Naw I'm glad you gave me the fruit

[BananaCucho]

My role isn't super powerful so i don't mind claiming it now.

I've got one of the powers the saintess had.

I'm the

Cleric

. I can use atonement and decrease the corruption of a player i target at night by 1 point.

Night 1 i targeted Catboi.

That's it really.
But i crumbed my role in one of the first posts i had in the game. (13)

Why didn't you target Porkens?

Why would i target Porkens?

They hammered a town player and therefore received corruption. If they got that corruption erased, they see your claim today and immediately drop their suspicion of you

[BananaCucho]

Also, why Catboi of all people?

[BananaCucho]

Man that would have been a really nice piece of the puzzle to fill

[BananaCucho]

I'm a Priest of corruption.
I can give 1 fruit of corruption to one player to increase their corruption by 1.
If I don't, my corruption increases by 1.
Night 1 I targeted Bananacucho.

I already mentioned my crumbs.

Your role name is weird. Why is a Priest handing out fruit?

[BananaCucho]

Claims:

Cleric - Norwee
Priest of Corruption - Bell
E.H. - Banana

Vanilla - Jackel

[BananaCucho]

Oh and Innocent Child - Bee

@Bee you are gonna have to host confirm today 100% or we're going to have to lynch you off of your non-flavor role name alone

[BananaCucho]

My guess is because it sounds evil and he wanted to give me a headache when I claimed.
Fruit vendors are often kinda wifomy right?

I have no idea why fruit vendors exist and what the strategy is around them tbh

[BananaCucho]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

Norwee, can you expand on this now? The "use 2 corruption but you'll die the next night if you use it?" question seemed pretty specific for someone who just lowers 1 corruption

[BananaCucho]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

Norwee, can you expand on this now? The "use 2 corruption but you'll die the next night if you use it?" question seemed pretty specific for someone who just lowers 1 corruption

You had seemingly 1 corruption at that point. So i asked in case you had a super good ability that could be used for 2 corruption points, but i could hinder you from dying by targeting you that night.

Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification

[BananaCucho]

You forgot our innocent child though

[BananaCucho]

Cost please Bee, what is it

[BananaCucho]

Suicide huh

So, 2 gambits?

Full claim?

[BananaCucho]

Also, if you could please share what you have learned from this 2nd gambit?

[BananaCucho]

when we trigger our ability, we target someone and cure them of all corruption and make them permanently immune to gaining corruption.

wanna be voteless forever, banana?
~nahdia

What's your role name?

Also this role sounds terrible lol. If you targeted me, I could just extend the game 24 hours over and over again and make it never end

We would be playing 20 years from now still. Well, probably just me

[BananaCucho]

That would have been a nice combo with the saintass.

It's technically a good combo with you too, you could just target yourself over and over and the fruit doesn't harm anyone else

[BananaCucho]

uh, is there some reason to be claiming role names? or are you just curious?

Name please.

[BananaCucho]

uh, is there some reason to be claiming role names? or are you just curious?

Name please.

refer to my earlier question.

uh, is there some reason to be claiming role names?

Yes. There most definitely is.

do tell.

Is there a reason NOT to claim the role name? It's just flavor

Please share.

[BananaCucho]

That would have been a nice combo with the saintass.

It's technically a good combo with you too, you could just target yourself over and over and the fruit doesn't harm anyone else

So fundamentally broken setup or is someone lying about their role? Which is more likely?

They likely need to suicide if legit, I don't think that we can let a claim like this live tbh

[BananaCucho]

Kinda bothersome that Bee won't just claim the name tbh

[BananaCucho]

i refuse.

if it's relevant mechanically, it's a scum ability designed to punish fullclaims.

Who are you going to use your suicide to purify?

[BananaCucho]

Who are you going to use your suicide to purify?

not sure. who would you recommend?

Can these set ups even have punishment for full claims?

uh, absolutely.

I mean you've had ample time to consider who you should be using this ability on haven't you?

[BananaCucho]

My role isn't super powerful so i don't mind claiming it now.

I've got one of the powers the saintess had.

I'm the

Cleric

. I can use atonement and decrease the corruption of a player i target at night by 1 point.

Night 1 i targeted Catboi.

That's it really.
But i crumbed my role in one of the first posts i had in the game. (13)

Either Cleric is a safeclaim or there's multiple of us. Noob that I am I asked Dunnstral if it was possible earlier, when NEE crumbed it. 'said it wasn't bastard but couldn't comment otherwise.
Didn't target Porkens N1 because they weren't a big tr and the ideas that maf with too much corruption might be extra pushy for others to eliminate if they can't risk a hammer + more likely to join a wagon early, seemed like it could be useful.
Same logic for anyone else, really, what with not having strong town reads iirc.

Can you reword this a bit? Or it may be me, it's past 1:30 am and I'm really tired

But are you saying that you're not only named the exact same role, "Cleric", but that the ability matches as well?

[BananaCucho]

Also Redtea, who DID you target n1?

[BananaCucho]

anyway it's like 4am so im goin to bed goodnight

~nahdia

See you tomorrow, think about who you are going to purify

[BananaCucho]

I fundamentally don't understand how full claims can have associated mechanics to punish it. This is probably just me lacking enough experience for these game types.

Pedit:
I't 12:40 here. I thought about turning in, but this is really interesting.

Ya'll are keeping me from my new book, jerks

[BananaCucho]

Why do we have 3 roles that can cure corruption? Just how many of you received corruption last night?

[BananaCucho]

There are more corruption roles I think.

This is why it's important imo for people to claim if they got corruption last night as well

[BananaCucho]

And a suicide role that purifies corruption... what the hell

[BananaCucho]

I didn't target anyone because I had scumhunting theories stronger than townreads.

Can you explain this please

[BananaCucho]

How can you not target anyone n1

Like... what

[BananaCucho]

I don't know what to think

[BananaCucho]

#1025, in relation to Norwee's obvious softclaim. Wasn't gonna elaborate unless we claimed today/Dunnstral was a gift-giving mod lolol

That explains your reaction. So makes me thing you're not joking about your ability. Not sure if scum wouldn't theoretically have an exact copy of my role except mafia aligned tho.

This is what I'm thinking, with the possibility of a safeclaim.

Clarified, altered #1427, on scumhunting:

maf with too much corruption might be extra pushy to get others to eliminate, if they can't risk a hammer
a maf with too much corruption might be more likely to join a wagon early (so as to not be left one vote on a wagon short because they can't hammer)
seemed like it could be useful.

I think we both need sleep honestly

Okay. With that clarification, it actually makes sense why you might decide to hold onto an action

I also like your explanation of what mafia might wanna do with hopping on trains early, makes sense with Bell's claim as a mini vig of types, your reasoning kinda clicks

[BananaCucho]

I'm going to crawl into bed and stare at the ceiling for hours

[BananaCucho]

good I was able to make some sense.
After we ended up with 2 deaths overnight as well as some more thinking, I do think I should've targeted. Like. Anyone.
'Cause we uh don't know how, exactly, the nk mechanics might work. If it's like "instant grant 3 corruption", Atonement could be a possible life-saving role.

Plus, I'm sure I would've gotten some good enough reads to target someone by N2 and- like I don't think my idea would've come together.
Perhaps if this game ends up lasting a good amount of days.


To all a good night.

I have had similar thoughts about nk's. Thanks for sharing

[BananaCucho]

UNVOTE: NEE
I'm gonna do it
VOTE: BananaCucho

lol

[BananaCucho]

lmfao

[BananaCucho]

Just Porkens, Catboi and Starbuck left

So far my opinion hasn't really changed from voting one of Starbuck/Porkens today, not really

[BananaCucho]

Whats a safeclaim anyway

[BananaCucho]

That's a claim alright

I don't buy it tbh, there's an excuse for a higher threshold of corruption

Why redtea btw?

[BananaCucho]

Has anyone claimed an altered threshold for corruption?

I don't necessarily think higher corruption is necessarily something that goes with a scum role. Town could absolutely have it

But a detective/follower/whatever the hell mafiascum calls it type role gets that? But the saintess/sheriff doesn't? Doesn't make much sense tbh

[BananaCucho]

And an investigative role that self harms with corruption (even if it is a higher threshold) choosing to hammer there like that at the end with that many hours left? I don't buy that either

[BananaCucho]

-_-

[BananaCucho]

Sounds like crap from Porkens. And that he targeted Redtea who ALREADY confirmed targeting no-one is very convenient.

I want Porkens to explain following Redtea before I dig my teeth in there

Who's left? Starbuck, am I missing someone else?

[BananaCucho]

Ah yeah Catboi

[BananaCucho]

Thanks catboi, I agree 100%

[BananaCucho]

Is it better for town to get rid of the third party or the mafia in this scenario?

Good question. We kill mafia theres a chance of crosskill, but tbh 2 kpn is just so much. We can't afford another 2 dead town

[BananaCucho]

Treatment of Banana has less to do with him being a stump and more the way he's played where I feel like he's been actively trying to scumhunt and been pretty strong + his attitude today doesn't come off as scummy. If it's lategame I'd maybe re-evaluate but otherwise see no reason to.

At the same time, though, have you look at the Activity Overview?

The colossal amount of posts and quite a bit of fluff

can also be scum indicative.

Here you go. I was S-FM Marck Wilbird (anonymous game). I was an ensign aka a citizen aka Vanilla Town. Enjoy

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthre ... llan-(15p)

[BananaCucho]

If thats all you got with the 3-4 days or whatever you were afforded, just say so so we can move on

[BananaCucho]

I'm going to read through on Porkens, but other than that, I don't think my top choice has changed. I think it was convenient that androgy came back immediately after I finished my case and then still won't lay out what the deal is?

I agree that Bee needs to be lynched if they dont suicide

If they do suicide, let us know what you find on Porkens please as they are my next choice, or if you see anothet path forward

[BananaCucho]

I'm not really interested in voting her today anymore. andybee/porkens or bust.

Agreed

[BananaCucho]

Porkens (2): redtea, Norwee
androgybee (2): Porkens, catboi
Starbuck (2): Dumb and Dumber, Bell
BananaCucho (1): Jackel98

Not Voting (3): androgybee, BananaCucho, Starbuck

This is where we are if I counted right

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: androgybee

[BananaCucho]

so i think bell is very likely town. uhh. norway is still probably town.

sorry we've been so bad this game. both of us just kind of got demotivated and yeah. we'll use our ability soon. it extends the day 24 hours, btw. do people have thoughts on who we should target?

~Nahdia

You should target someone you think is town and probably not state who that is, so they can actually be a corruption sponge

Just please dont target me lol

[BananaCucho]

starbuck is either scum here or just town that isn't trying very hard. glass houses and all that but still.

maybe ill just target starbuck so they dont have an excuse to insist they need to be on EOD wagons though? what do people think of that?

~Nahdia

Eh

I think its better to target a town player tbh than someone you scum read

[BananaCucho]

so i think bell is very likely town. uhh. norway is still probably town.

sorry we've been so bad this game. both of us just kind of got demotivated and yeah. we'll use our ability soon. it extends the day 24 hours, btw. do people have thoughts on who we should target?

~Nahdia

If mafia kills by instantly giving 3 corruption, then maybe your target will essentially become bulletproof?
Either way, just don’t give any scum this ability.

If Bee is truthful this basically throws out the 3 corruption kill theory imo

[BananaCucho]

so i think bell is very likely town. uhh. norway is still probably town.

sorry we've been so bad this game. both of us just kind of got demotivated and yeah. we'll use our ability soon. it extends the day 24 hours, btw. do people have thoughts on who we should target?

~Nahdia

If mafia kills by instantly giving 3 corruption, then maybe your target will essentially become bulletproof?
Either way, just don’t give any scum this ability.

If Bee is truthful this basically throws out the 3 corruption kill theory imo

Why Banana?

Bees ability makes a player immune to any night kill whatsoever? Seems... broken?

[BananaCucho]

UNVOTE:

Bee go ahead imo, no need to wait longer

[BananaCucho]

The thing about Porkens claim tho is that scum can have that role, testing them means nothing probably since it doesn't confirm their alignment

I don't know that I can be convinced to vote elsewhere at this point

[BananaCucho]

ive got errands to run in like an hour. i'll suicide before i go unless beeboy yells at me not to. is it worth me reading catboi and redtea's d2? when i flip town, will you listen to anything spicy i may or may not say on them?

I will consider your reads when you flip town, yeah
Just as we have considered Joeys reads

[BananaCucho]

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

No its needed 110% they cant live after that claim

[BananaCucho]

If they are scum thats the type of pass they were fishing for with that claim

[BananaCucho]

that team makes sense to me i guess, it's just one of those things where it feels too simple and im assuming i've got something wrong, you know?

~this has all been Nahdia still, ive just gotten lazy about signing all my posts.

The thing about Porkens claim tho is that scum can have that role, testing them means nothing probably since it doesn't confirm their alignment

I don't know that I can be convinced to vote elsewhere at this point

oh right u might just execute him today. that's fine too i guess? scum could have that role sure but like, what does it actually look for? im not looking at the claims list but i dont remember that many visiting roles. bell, the two clerics i guess, and uh.... anything else?

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

well we're in evens so a daykill is favorable i think?

Saintess too, and fruit vendor

[BananaCucho]

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

No its needed 110% they cant live after that claim

Their catchup has been town as fuck. Is an unnecesarry death that limits town votes in the game further just to ease your concience really worth it?

Yes.

[BananaCucho]

i dont wanna play outguess the mod with redtea/norway having the same role. i think it's very unlikely BOTH of them are scum, but aside from that, the role is null. redtea claiming to target no one did ping me quite a bit though.

It's likely something that will hopefully self resolve

I agree that I doubt both are scum but 1 absolutely could be

[BananaCucho]

also like I said earlier, porkens check on redtea doesn't make any sense from a town POV. Tbh I wouldn't mind just bopping him today although I'm a little worried about the situation the kills will leave us in. (^・ω・^ )

I think he's caught scum, its not 100% but it feels really sure and we need a scum flip today

With that role claim he seems likely mafia vs 3p but its anyones guess who the 3p is

[BananaCucho]

i will say ive been a bit paranoid of norway today. the way they're posturing around their reads which essentially amounts to three low-impact posters in the game. if two of three in porkens/starbuck/jackel are town, i would give him a closer look.

If 2/3 of them flip town we likely have lost due to 2 kpn

But Norwee has slipped quite a bit for me today, I have catboi above him on my list now

[BananaCucho]

LOL WHAT

[BananaCucho]

SIN: You do not die when reaching 3 Corruption. Instead, you start the game with 2 Corruption, and die if your Corruption ever reaches 0.

Does every scum posses this trait? Cause that would change everything

[BananaCucho]

Yeah this changes everything, having a flip is amazing here, will put in some work today to re-analyze things

[BananaCucho]

Bee is kinda lowkey mvp here too for killing a player they thought they were saving lmao

[BananaCucho]

also porkens is entirely off the table now, oops

I probably won't vote to lynch them today since basically the entire game is blown open rn and need to reread a lot of things, but why entirely off the table?