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Im honestly not sure waht to say-
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Pretend im town. Then waht? Pretend they are town. Then what?-
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Too many people have others as a hard no.-
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In post 4333, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:so its basically just vax and bork right?
I don't see any other viable solves.
Posts like this are why I think your scum. Your really not doing much of anything or contributing, but then you have everything solved? But wait you dont have everything solved. Your just sheeping...In post 4336, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im just sheeping cabd but if i wanted to actually effort id come up with good reasons probly-
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This is a further reason why borks town. Now is not the time to white knight, now's the time for scum to start/jump on a wagon.In post 4374, borkjerfkin wrote:
tonal:In post 4371, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
can you explain why this post is extremely townie bork?In post 3619, Vaxkiller wrote:I'm rethinking this elements fade. I don't like how part of the reasoning behind it is being pushed forth.... Vax/Elements cant be scum together. I know im town in this equation, and what if elements is too? It's just an easy push for scum.
Edit, well now that I typed that out, if it's so easy why isn't it happening? But there can only be at the most 2 more scum? That's not a lot of pushing power, but maybe they are staying away? ARRRRGH
I think the last sentence in the first paragraph feels like a note of town-paranoia
I think the latter paragraph is a non-performative bout of double-paranoia that i am not reading as planned out-
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Im town Borks town Skitters town, whos scum pooky?-
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Not today, but look into the future!In post 4395, skitter30 wrote:
but you're very unlikely to get wagoned today tho ...In post 4389, Vaxkiller wrote:This is a further reason why borks town. Now is not the time to white knight, now's the time for scum to start/jump on a wagon.-
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Ehhh I don't think ur conf biased, I wanna vote bork after seeing those posts.-
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Insert your own gif here.-
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Waht are our claimed PRs again?-
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Whos waht again? Can you spell it out this time dgb?-
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Honestly I have no idea.-
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I feel like I remember ffrly using that phrase a couple times? Let me check. Like, after the initial day 1 high energy, no one has had any urge to do anything.-
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In post 2555, fferyllt wrote:I see "Rising" and think "Urge to burn".In post 4133, fferyllt wrote:
Stuff's been bothering me off and on since day 1 and I keep thinking we're going to have an exchange where I suddenly and clearly see town-bork. This is all stuff he's been aware of, so I don't think I'm giving up any advantage in the meta arms race. Stuff he doesn't know (yet) about the evolution of my approach to reading him is not not making it into this wall.In post 4129, skitter30 wrote:I dont get where the urge to burn came from?
And i suppose i wont get a truthful answer out of this, but eh: does scum!you kill town!cabd who is townreading you?
He knows that a lot of my reads of him are based on how he reacts to being pressured. I express those reactions as "irritability", because that's what they look like to me. The underlying emotions may be something else, but to me, that's how they appear from the outside.
Most of his strong reactions, particularly to Prism are in town-bork range by that measure.
His reactions to me expressing concerns about him, not so much.
The difficulty here is that I was town against scum-him in the illicit game and he was close enough to my expectations of town-him that I kept shrugging off my concerns. And I was giving him plenty of info to figure what what was missing. Cabd and I were hydra-ing as morph in that game and his read went south well before mine did. And when my read did go south, zmuffin had a winning strategy planned out, and we followed the strategy, though acquiescing to our own elim the day before mxlo was not fun and not something I want to repeat!
In that game, he would jump on something that looked inconsistent and really go at us (usually me) until he was satisfied with the answer. This is sort of how our T-T interactions would go in the before-times. But, in those games, I knew precisely what allayed his suspicions and why he would back off. In the illicit game, there wasn't that kind of line-of-sight between the cause of his suspicions and the resolution of them. I was left feeling like he was basically reading me off of emotional reactions to his pushes, which was NOT how he read when we used to play together.
In this game, I've done my best not to give him emotional content to "sign off" on. And he's not pushed me very hard about my vaguely expressed concerns, especially after day 1.
I feel like I sort of launched this approach to reading him almost from the beginning, though I didn't come into the game with this as a plan for sorting him. And I also haven't pursued it as strongly as I should have, especially day 2.
The proximate cause of my urge is post 4091. In the context of how I think he reads me, and how I know he expects me to read him, that response looks so anemic. I've been mulling over it and second guessing myself, but this is where I want to vote today.
Re me killing Cabd as scum. It's been a really long time since I've been scum against town-him. In one game I didn't nk him. In the other, I nk'd him on night 5, I think. He'd claimed even night vig and we couldn't risk him getting to another even night no matter what his reads of the remaining scum were. At that point, I may have been the last scum. There was a 3rd game but I was the day one elim in that one, and he was an unknown quantity. I would have focused on known threats if I hadn't been elimed before the first night phase.
What would I do in Year of our Lord 2020? I think it would depend on how long I thought I could maintain his townread.
This does seem over explained.-
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In everypost, everyone wrote:if I were scum I would have _____-
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I get it! DGB's role is really scummy, not much of a reason for town to have it, but I also don't get super scum vibes from them. Self voting right now? Why not just concede?
But prism, the way your role has been presented, as first a BP, then a doc? Yuck.-
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With everyone else claiming and outed, they were protecting that role? I dunno. not sci, your great, but anyone and thier mother could have seen cabd was going to die last night.In post 4816, notscience wrote:why-
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More than likely they have SOMETHING, even if its not claimed here.In post 4818, notscience wrote:do you think scum have a PR?-
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In post 4822, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Your trajectory on Bork is strange.
I re-read D3 and it's like:
3944 Skitter V1 on Bork (12/21 -747PM)
4010 Pooky V2 on Bork (12/21 -1149PM)
4084 Fiery interacts with Bork about "reading her off interactions" (12/22 400AM)
4094 Ben V3 on Bork (12/22 717 AM)
4097 "There is a distinct lack of Vax today" - Fiery (12/22 601PM)
4118 DGB V4 on Bork (12/22 920PM) E-1
4123 "urge to burn." - Fiery (12/22 928PM)
4133 Wall of Death on Bork - Fiery (12/22 1042PM)
Then can we please vote ffrly?
It feels convenient and the timing does not feel natural for that conviction to develop suddenly.-
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fferly, like whos your vote on at the moment? Like don't vote DGB, but whos it on? I can never get a starting answer outta you.In post 4838, fferyllt wrote:Pooky's push on me feels gross. If I were throwing a vote down right now, I'd either vote him or hammer you and I don't know which is the right choice. Your fatalism resonates, though, because that's where I'm at. Though fatalism isn't always town.
And I don't think I'm ever going to reach a strong townread on Vax. I had him as pretty town at one point on Day 1 but he's never risen back to that high water mark.-
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Lol like I need a wall to find scum.In post 4841, Prism wrote:Like I have to somehow justify not stopping kills the next two nights and justify why scum isn't shooting me. None of this happens if I just keep the bulletproof claim.
I've been on both scum votes. Both of them went out of their way to shut me down and demoralize me Day 1 with the help of one sack of deadweight named petapan.
You've randomly AFK voted me and disappeared the entire game. Make a case on me or shut up already.-
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Ahhh, so you know ill flip green eh?In post 4845, Prism wrote:I am willing to policy Vax and vote DGB tomorrow if that's on the table.-
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Your point is lost on me. Don't vote, but who would it be on? You have the ball and everyone's at L1, who you you fade?In post 4850, fferyllt wrote:
The whole point of me not voting right now would be lost by me voting.In post 4842, Vaxkiller wrote:
fferly, like whos your vote on at the moment? Like don't vote DGB, but whos it on? I can never get a starting answer outta you.In post 4838, fferyllt wrote:Pooky's push on me feels gross. If I were throwing a vote down right now, I'd either vote him or hammer you and I don't know which is the right choice. Your fatalism resonates, though, because that's where I'm at. Though fatalism isn't always town.
And I don't think I'm ever going to reach a strong townread on Vax. I had him as pretty town at one point on Day 1 but he's never risen back to that high water mark.-
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Yea, BP claim would not have flew over well right now...In post 4841, Prism wrote:Like I have to somehow justify not stopping kills the next two nights and justify why scum isn't shooting me. None of this happens if I just keep the bulletproof claim.
I've been on both scum votes. Both of them went out of their way to shut me down and demoralize me Day 1 with the help of one sack of deadweight named petapan.
You've randomly AFK voted me and disappeared the entire game. Make a case on me or shut up already.-
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Think about this, would anyone have faulted me from just hammering DGB? On top of that I could have just been quiet and probably let someone else do it.
I'm off x-mas vaca and back to work, so now I have time!
I think fferly is struggling to find a "reason" to do so which seems weird. To me it looks like they are worried how it's going to look.
Prism seems scummy to me as well for not seeing the above, and just wanting to "policy" me whatever that means. (I'd like to see that policy) To many PR's.
Maybe I'm wrong on DGB, but why wouldn't they just conceded? Wouldn't self voting be a disservice to the other scum?-
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What's in motion for scum!fferyllt or town!fferyllt?In post 4856, fferyllt wrote:
The whole point of me not voting right now would also be lost by me saying who I'd vote for. I don't like jostling a wagon on me mid-formation. it interferes with what's in motion.In post 4852, Vaxkiller wrote:
Your point is lost on me. Don't vote, but who would it be on? You have the ball and everyone's at L1, who you you fade?In post 4850, fferyllt wrote:
The whole point of me not voting right now would be lost by me voting.In post 4842, Vaxkiller wrote:
fferly, like whos your vote on at the moment? Like don't vote DGB, but whos it on? I can never get a starting answer outta you.In post 4838, fferyllt wrote:Pooky's push on me feels gross. If I were throwing a vote down right now, I'd either vote him or hammer you and I don't know which is the right choice. Your fatalism resonates, though, because that's where I'm at. Though fatalism isn't always town.
And I don't think I'm ever going to reach a strong townread on Vax. I had him as pretty town at one point on Day 1 but he's never risen back to that high water mark.-
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I have? Let me go back an look.In post 4855, Prism wrote:You've randomly voted me without saying why literally the entire game.
Vote me and sell it.
Also, I stated your scummy behavior.-
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Your basically observing the game and giving no opinion whatso ever, how the hell do you EXPECT anyone to read that behavior? Town?In post 4859, fferyllt wrote:not reactionary. observational. Though I spelled out exactly where my head is at in the post Vax quoted to start this interaction.-
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Correction. You do give some opinions, but you don't give an indication as to who your scum reading.-
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IM BACK BABY! LOOOK OUT EVERYONE>-
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AND YOU!!!!!
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I know I keep pushing you as a possibility for scum, but you've left me with no other options. I can't read you. You keep getting protected by others, but I can't read you.
You scum reading me back just feeds into me scum reading you.
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If DGB is scum, and I fought against it. I'm going to.... I dunno what I'm going to do.In post 4872, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm gonna write some cool fanfiction for Fiery scum and then hammer DGB cuz Prism and Fiery are being mean to me.
Cry maybe.-
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Sry, your wishy washy reads getting to me.In post 4869, fferyllt wrote:
Read the post you fucking quoted.In post 4863, Vaxkiller wrote:
Your basically observing the game and giving no opinion whatso ever, how the hell do you EXPECT anyone to read that behavior? Town?In post 4859, fferyllt wrote:not reactionary. observational. Though I spelled out exactly where my head is at in the post Vax quoted to start this interaction.
I guess im in the same boat. I dont really have a clue.-
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In post 4868, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:is
Jailkeeper
Roleblocker
Doctor
Friendly Neighbor
Odd Night Vanilla Cop
too much town power in a 13P?
I have no clue how to balance games :/
WAyyy to much town power. I don't know how to balance either tho.
Maybe 4 person scum team with all goons?
That or Doc is lying or DGB is scum.-
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To be clear this was in reference to pooky.In post 4876, fferyllt wrote:
this reads like town frustration. :/In post 4871, Vaxkiller wrote:I know I keep pushing you as a possibility for scum, but you've left me with no other options. I can't read you. You keep getting protected by others, but I can't read you.
You scum reading me back just feeds into me scum reading you.
ARGH!
I'm nothing if not idiosyncratic and this has not been one of my better games mostly due to being sick and exhausted during day 1 and part of day 2. fwiw players do get better at reading me. Sometimes all it takes is a game or two!
notsci your thoughts on Vax's post?-
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what plan?In post 4884, fferyllt wrote:Without the plan. :/-
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Like, we dont need a plan. If we miss elim, its going to be painfully obvious tomorrow.-
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Like, I think I know how this will turn out, and I wont be buying it. I don't want to say tho, to tip my hat.In post 4891, notscience wrote:Why will it be painfully obvious tomorrow?-
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It's been days.
VOTE: Prism-
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NotSci, help plz. Is this the right course of action?-
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Pookys writing excuses for not playing.-
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@prism, im not on xmas vaca anymore, so im here most of the time except weekends-
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so vote dgb and let prism hammerIn post 4912, fferyllt wrote:welp. the post I've been trying to make isn't relevant anymore!
because voting Prism is definitely not the right course of action.-
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Sry dgb.
Prism tomorrow.-
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I've been ignoring it all game. The only self meta I've really half listened to was pookies "I never bus as scum day 1"
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Prism dies tomorrow. Town wins tomorrow.-
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I think there should be a healthy amount of both. (setup spec and play)In post 4976, notscience wrote:I wonder if trying to setup spec this was a pitfall-
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They cant prove thier role.-
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In post 4845, Prism wrote:I am willing to policy Vax and vote DGB tomorrow if that's on the table.
There's this, and then later on prism talks to me as if im town.