Mini 2231: Radio Buzz | Game Over!

[Cephrir]

dgb is a weird player and i have absolutely no idea how to read it, which is tempering what would otherwise be a strong scumread for me

[Cephrir]

teach me your secrets

[Cephrir]

rousseau i feel like you're inordinately focused on the callers, like more focused on them than the players of the 'main' game. why are is so much of your focus on them?

Scum often find relief in engaging with lower-stress, non-game related content.

i imagine ti's a lot easier for scum to 'solve' the callers than to solve the 'real' game, so people who focus on the callers and not the game is soemwhat scummy to me
and i guess for you especially because as of liek this morning you had little 'main game' solving (although it looks like you have more in the pages i just read)
so like i guess it makes me a little nervous taht you're scum finding an easy, but largely meaningless, way of interacting with the game

i find it more likely the scum are avoiding doing so due to knowing who the mafia caller is but anyway

I'm avoiding it because I haven't seen anything of substance.

COUNTDOWN TO MIDNIGHT

i smiled at this, even if your excitement is not sincere due to you finding focusing on the callers scummy

<3

Spoiler: Secret Communication for Ceph

we're gonna pretend we won't kill Something Scum for another 4 days to give him a chance to get nice and relaxed and then we're gonna jump him

Fleet is the scum caller, that was easy.

Bur finally they are paying attention to me! I thought I'd lost my touch.

Interesting, why?

Every caller seem super keen about solving except Fleet who is phoning it in.

it's explainable but this doesn't seem super consistent

[Cephrir]

i dont understand why we're trying to elim ssbm all of a sudden

[Cephrir]

because of that it's possible to read into rousseau's death that possibly either scum care about the callers for some reason, or our overall reads on the callers at that time were correct so they were worried she would get to do whatever it is that she can do?

[Cephrir]

I mean i just thought she was the biggest consensus townread and they wanted to remove that

Yeah it could just be that

[Cephrir]

i think that this wagon formation is quite curious tbh, and i think that there's probably scum on ss + 1 scum on enchant

Is there anything specific making you think it's strange or are you just referring to the trajectories you then went on to discuss?

[Cephrir]

#2257 - What's that? Gimme the radio! Did I just hear someone say they're my biggest fan?!
Nee-heehee... the fun is just getting started! Cuz guess what? I'm here to stay!
Things are gonna be waayyy less boring from here on out!
Tell the truth, or else! I hate liars!
But...... feel free to lie anyway! Exposing lies is one of the only real pleasures in life, after all.
~Dice 

you're the best

scum, but the best

[Cephrir]

Wagons on you and me rn might be a good thing actually.

okay

VOTE: Galron

[Cephrir]

i just don't think the game is this easy

[Cephrir]

VLA thru monday

[Cephrir]

I see a couple good SS posts up there. We have bigger fish to fry. Ok bye again

[Cephrir]

Well I have literally nothing to do right now so I guess I'll attempt a phone catchup

[Cephrir]

What?

ydrasse was clearly not serious, and i'm alarmed that the thing you've found in the thread so far that you want to comment on is that

Ceph what post did you think Tetrina was reacting to here?

205

[Cephrir]

i kinda think that irregardless of his alignment ss is gonna be the flip today and that we're gonna be slow/stalled-ish until that happens

I feel like skitter is scumposting a fair bit on this page, but this is the prime thing I really didnt like at all

[Cephrir]

"Just give up town, this is happening" well before it started looking inevitable fmpov. If I'm right I would look for scum among the votes that have since made it inevitable looking

[Cephrir]

i don't know
but like he's gotta know he's being ~underwhelming~ right? i don't know if he just phones it in as scum or if he tries to do something about it

Why do you keep feeling the need to use ~air tildes~ it makes me feel like you dont really believe it

[Cephrir]

like i said a couple of posts tho i think irregardless of his alignment he's gonna be one of the main flip options until he does flip and i think it's probably better to do sooner rather than later

~

wasn't he scum in that ygrassidl (i think i mangled that name?) i was spectating it and was really impressed that he *tried* all the way through even though he was obviously not winning and even tho his team was p doomed. he kept chugging along and kept trying to look townie and not get flipped

so like idk does he just phone it in here?

I feel like you are arguing for ss town while having no interest in not voting him wtf is this

[Cephrir]

It feels weird that everyone's already decided that SS is definitely getting killed and he's just like standing there going "well i guess that's that"

not sure if it means he's scum or not lol

Galron if you had a gun and you could shoot anybody other than SS right now who would you shoot?

I hate that question. It's a bullshit quesiton.

That being said. I'd have to do DGB Part II, the Ass Shot.


Without waiving the foregoing objection, I'll answer seriously I don't know. I really don't like Kyouko's posting, and Gamma was slipping hard for me beginning mid day but is better now. Those were my two biggest scum reads coming into today, and they weren't all that great. S_S kinda makes sense as scum. 85% of his posts have been about him instead of other players and that's a bad look. I don't mind his POE so much, but I get your point about him not making a scum case on anyone. The thing about him not pushing anyone or solving just really stands out the more I think about it, so as I sit here typing this, it may just be S_S.

Galron if you had a gun and you could shoot anybody other than SS right now who would you shoot?

I would shoot you but I don't want to have to vacuum all the bits of polyester off the floor.

This interaction felt very unnatural to me

[Cephrir]

Kyouko wrote a wall about galron scum and I wont lie to you I did not read it but galron does seem like scum so good job kyouko, probably!

[Cephrir]

making sense is a scumtell tbh

Townpost

[Cephrir]

DAYVIG: Galron

Am I to take this as a scumread? I can't track your opinions on literally anything.

[Cephrir]

DAYVIG: Galron

Galron dies a peaceful, calm death.

Who has this calm a reaction here?
I do, but I like to think I'm a special boy.

[Cephrir]

I see a couple good SS posts up there. We have bigger fish to fry. Ok bye again

uh which posts were good

2512
2515

[Cephrir]

galron/skitter? :3

I dont know if I could handle being so right. I'd start hallucinating or something out of shock.

[Cephrir]

RVS is making a comeback.

Are you really this lost here

[Cephrir]

I didn't find it especially likely that scum-DGB would vote the town counterwagon to her scumbuddy and for justification give "Let's make it an exciting race." If Enchant flipped scum and people went back looking for weird reasons to push me I have to imagine she'd expect that to top the list.

Nah.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: skitter

CHOO CHOO speed wagon

??????

[Cephrir]

Yah Galron is town

For that, of all things?

[X]

[Cephrir]

Eh I’ll say the reason in as vague of terms as possible and post the spoiler part in a spoiler tag
There’s a moment in the game which has a sorta similar vibe to how Dice has been flip-flipping about what he (should I use he when talking about Dice?) knows or doesn’t know, and because those vibes line up it makes me think he isn’t in on things

Spoiler:

The moment is when it’s revealed Kokichi is the mastermind, which I don’t believe to be the actual truth for certain reasons (I only have gotten to the start of Case 5 trial in my experiencing of V3). The sort of nonsense vibe there lines up with what’s going on here so I think Dice is not really the mastermind in the sense of being aligned with the scum on our side

You should finish V3

[Cephrir]

.-.

the game feels like it’s dragging bad

Do stuff then!

[Cephrir]

VOTE: s_s

Why?

This feels real bad from where I'm sitting.

[Cephrir]

Whoops was gonna respond to both, but hit submit:

First quote: i'm good at reading gamestates. This is the present gamestate. I don't know hos alignment but until/unless ss makes a compelling argument for why he shouldnt get flipped he's the most likely flip. Either he's scum who is resigned, or he's town being somewhat unhelpful and scum can tell he's the likely flip and dont feel the need to pursue anything else today. Idk how to tell the difference, and i dont know which ss we're dealing with. Overtures to try to sort him havent led to buckets of clarity either, so idk what you're expecting from me here tbh, i'm not a miracle worker. If he doesnt want to, or cant, change the gamestate its not something i can do for him. On balance i am leaning towards town-him but even if he is town i literally dont see him not getting flipped given how he is currently playing

(This is igniring the fact that i can make clean looking trajectories jf i wanted to misflip as scum, ty very much)

Second point: i use air tildes all the time. I use them to sort of ~convey~ more emphasis to a thought than the word would have otherwise. Its not the same as qir quotes at all

I mean I'd like to see you pursue an agenda you feel strongly about. You dont have to say "whelp this is the gamestate" when you are one of the agency havers in what its state is

I'm going to keep ignoring your supposed ability to look clean as scuba nd just play this game. I'm not that interested in other games, especially given my own ability with meta manipulation

Ok, it's certainly possible tildes come across differently to me and that's fine

[Cephrir]

I think I'm gonna give SS and the Radio Team another chance to chime in b4 hammering.

intent

I find your timing suspicious, yet your actually giving intent non-suspicious.

[Cephrir]

Skitter, I liked 2512 because I'd expect scum to either be compliant or not try to draw attention to their lack of compliance.

2515 I thought was a nuanced and therefore more genuine reason to townread someone.

I realize this is hardly a towncase but I have plenty of suspects and the ease of this SS wagon, in the face of plenty of content geared at suspecting others from me, kyouko, and probably more, makes me feel like it is wrong.

[Cephrir]

Eh. I see the angle, but I thought his "that was supposed to be internal" post ruined any positive effect of sincere stream of consciousness since it showed he knew he did it

[Cephrir]

I feel like it could have been done on purpose because of the self awareness

I may be primed to not give credit for this as well just because it's something I'm good at faking idk

[Cephrir]

.-.

the game feels like it’s dragging bad

Do stuff then!

i feel a bit disjointed from this game but i also haven’t kept up as much as i wanted so i was sitting on an s_s wagon waiting on it to happen >_>

disregarding whatever cases have been made on galron i think i called him nulltown earlier which makes me think he could be scum tbh

@ ceph do u scumread this

I do, I'm afraid.

[Cephrir]

Ceph ngl i feel like your expectations for what i ought yo be doing here are unrealistic

Possibly. I won't pretend I'm not a lil scared of you.

[Cephrir]

Kinda unreasonable to say that you're scared of me and then ding me for playing 'badly' if i were scum and ignore that i'd play better

Kinda silly to have it both ways, i wasnt objecting earlier cuz i didnt have any particular reason to think you'd be scared of me

I mean I think you're just a good player.

Yes, I have been wondering if you've nonetheless made some mistakes.

[Cephrir]

Ceph ngl part of me wonders id you've decided i'm a convenient scumread so you keep circling back to this

Not sure that's necessarily ai but i'm pointing that out

I have a hard time letting things go that I found myself, sure. I don't have insights often. Maybe I'm just emotionally attached to the idea. But I'd also be more likely to take the meta bits seriously if they came from anyone but you!

[Cephrir]

since we've all decided to murder Something Scum today

let's do some work on who his scumbuddy is so that we have something to laugh at in case he's town.

The comedy option would prolly be DGB

Since we apparently think the game is that easy it would follow that it would be all the way easy, I guess

[Cephrir]

There are 5 different players I somewhat suspect yet I feel like voting any of them would be pointless and probably someone would tell me to go jump in a lake because of meta. Why is this.

[Cephrir]

how do you feel about an SS flip here @Ceph?

Not a fan!

[Cephrir]

There are 5 different players I somewhat suspect yet I feel like voting any of them would be pointless and probably someone would tell me to go jump in a lake because of meta. Why is this.

Probably because you're scum. It'll pass.

Thank you for that scintillating contribution. What would I do without you here to entertain me.

[Cephrir]

Who are these 5 you’re suspecting rn

Galron
Ydrasse
Skitter
Pooky
DGB

[Cephrir]

Why Pooky? That one feels pretty raw

He hasn't given me any reason not to

[Cephrir]

Why Pooky? That one feels pretty raw

He hasn't given me any reason not to

what would a reason to TR pooky look like? i have difficulty reading him

I dont know I have trouble with it too

[Cephrir]

Or at least a lack of experience

[Cephrir]

ok but why does that lead to suspecting him?

You know what, you're right. I think I've had some actual gripes with him but I hand waved it because I'm lazy. I should do an iso at some point.

[Cephrir]

Ceph can i get like a tldr of your reads plz?

Gamma, kyouko
SS, Infinity, Tetrina
Pooky
Skitter, Ydrasse
Galron, DGB

[Cephrir]

I don't know where you got the idea that I'm waiting to die, though. I'm waiting for another wagon to develop.

You have agency

I would scumread you for this too if you were not in your current situation

[Cephrir]

uh if SS is so high on your readslist why aren't you trying to save him at all?

The fuck do you think I'm doing?

[Cephrir]

uh if SS is so high on your readslist why aren't you trying to save him at all?

The fuck do you think I'm doing?

bro I didnt even know you TRd him until you showed me a readlist

maybe say some shit about how he's town cuz I was about to hammah the dude

i think i've been pretty clear that this feels like a mistake???

[Cephrir]

its actually wild how I'm not the most locktown of locktowns to the two of you

like what game r you two even reading

Why should you be?

[Cephrir]

ok why is SS town?

-i townread a couple of his posts which i pointed out multiple times
-i don't believe yesterday was s/s and i've been operating under that assumption pretty much all day given how i've been scumhunting off yesterday
-i think his wagon right now is shady

[Cephrir]

-i townread a couple of his posts which i pointed out multiple times
-i don't believe yesterday was s/s and i've been operating under that assumption pretty much all day given how i've been scumhunting off yesterday
-i think his wagon right now is shady

name names

i thought dgb's hop on was pretty suspicious! i don't like the way skitter has been abdicating responsibility while implying she would rather do something else! i pointed out how i felt about your posturing at the time, because it came right in the middle of my attempt to suggest we not elim SS, although this interaction we're having now seems to suggest you don't even read my posts, so i guess that's consistent!

[Cephrir]

i dislike that immensely!

[Cephrir]

i don't get it, how is me *not* voting ss a problem wrt your ss scumread

ive been feeling like this is positioning for his townflip

[Cephrir]

uh if SS is so high on your readslist why aren't you trying to save him at all?

The fuck do you think I'm doing?

why are you not, like, trying to wagon galron or something

ill be honest with you

i dont really know how to start a wagon

im not usually that kind of girl

i'm trying to take the temperature of the room and so far it seems like most everyone wants me to shut up and go back to the corner while we kill SS

[Cephrir]

but like also my vote has been on galron all day

[Cephrir]

kyouko and i are practically historical at this point. we go way back. we met at vc 2.3. it was beautiful.

[Cephrir]

i spent most of eod yesteday trying to get him flipped, why would i not continue that today exactly

pedit well good then

well, i'd think you might have a second thought in light of the flip, but since that is not the path you've chosen and clearly nothing i've been posting around it has been persuasive to you:

so kill him with your own two hands then, instead of posting stuff like 2636[/post, [post]2659, 2694 that seems to expect him to flip town and accept no blame for it

[Cephrir]

im not sure if that post makes sense i feel like im not fully understanding your stance/trajectory here

[Cephrir]

"not 100% sure he's scum" or "think he's town" bc you were leaning towards town not long ago

you know what could get the game focused on something else? a scum flip

[Cephrir]

actually i guess we got one of those and the game did not change

should we just elim every game from least to most charisma irrespective of game events

[Cephrir]

i guess it makes sense, scumteams lately just suck and give up so i can't blame anyone for thinking that's just gonna happen every time.

[Cephrir]

do we just not reassess when we get information now?

so weird.

[Cephrir]

or another way of saying it:

imagine we flip town today. who exactly do you think is goign to be everyone's favorite flip tomorrow? what, if anything, do you think is going to change that dynamic

so you don't think players ever change course?

i'm kinda having a hard time believing you don't understand my point

i also think that your last line in 2810 is a loaded question

i understand your point now i just don't agree

it's a rhetorical question yes those are typically loaded

[Cephrir]

if it's an inevitable flip i just think we should do it now isntead of wasting like 3 gamephases getting stuck on this

and ngl i think most of your content today is scummy
VOTE: ceph

incredible. truly. i put some scrutiny on you and now the ss elim is not inevitable anymore i guess and you've thrown your own point out the window. i don't believe that's a real thought process.

VOTE: skitter

[Cephrir]

so you don't think players ever change course?

oh hey another loaded question that doesn't actually address my point

it... does though??? you're arguing that no matter what happens today the outcome of tomorrow will be the same, are you not? how is that not literally what you just implied?

[Cephrir]

imagine we flip town today. who exactly do you think is goign to be everyone's favorite flip tomorrow? what, if anything, do you think is going to change that dynamic

i want an answer to this ^

i thought it was a rhetorical question but okay

DGB, probably? Or me? What could change that dynamic... a compelling case, I guess? The events of that day which players are responding to? Or the more general "some good points" which is what i'm trying to do right now?

[Cephrir]

if it's an inevitable flip i just think we should do it now isntead of wasting like 3 gamephases getting stuck on this

and ngl i think most of your content today is scummy
VOTE: ceph

incredible. truly. i put some scrutiny on you and

now the ss elim is not inevitable anymore i guess and you've thrown your own point out the window

. i don't believe that's a real thought process.

VOTE: skitter

uh do you actaully think my vote is gonna make you flipped over ss here?

no? but you're making it out like voting for anyone besides ss is a waste of time, hence why you are doing nothing despite your just having professed to think he's town ~5 pages ago, yet here you are doing just that?

[Cephrir]

i've decided i like ceph actually

his agenda if scum is kinda ??? and his thoughts feel organic

enchant flipping scum didn't give me useful info tbh since there aren't many interactions to look and and idk if scum would bus there or not, they may have thought it was inevitable or maybe not

what did you think of the bunch of posts i made at the start of toDay?

[Cephrir]

so you don't think players ever change course?

oh hey another loaded question that doesn't actually address my point

it... does though??? you're arguing that no matter what happens today the outcome of tomorrow will be the same, are you not? how is that not literally what you just implied?

imagine we flip town-dgb, for the purposes of this conversation
do you think the scruitiny on ss and the desire to flip him will go away tomorrow y/n?

probably not, but it's possible. he might produce more town content, or folks might feel they see scum hopping on the dgb wagon. i certainly don't believe that the game is essentially set in stone. i expect he'll be a suspect still, most likely, but i also think general suspects do not always get eliminated. every town body is useful. see NQN, a game i recently ran, where a slot that was regarded as obvscum got replaced, turned it around and was never elimed

[Cephrir]

imagine we flip town that is not ss today, who do you think everyone will be pushing tomorrow?

to rephrase that since apparently i wasn't clear

some combination of SS, DGB, me and you would be my best guess.

[Cephrir]

what did you think of the bunch of posts i made at the start of toDay?

i think you capitalizing day is supposed to tell me whether it means rl day or day phase

if it's the former they didn't leave an immediate impression but your ~vibe~ has sort of been at the back of my mind so i guess i've decided they were towny

if it's the latter they left no impression

the former. since you feel like you didn't gain much from analyzing d1 and that was my attempt to analyze d1, maybe it could give you a thought or you could tell me why my thoughts suck

[Cephrir]

sorry, i mean the latter. words is hard.

[Cephrir]

that's not what i said?
i said that flipping anybody other than ss today given the current dynamic is silly

if the dynamic changes i'm on board with flipping other people
and a solitary vote like 2 days before deadline != flipping them, voting you is not a contraction to anything i've been saying?

i was literally encouraging you to vote for me/galron like on the prior page, i don't know how you're coming to the conclusion that i think that voting anybody other than ss right now is foolhardy

and i'm p sure you know full well that my vote is not gonna flip you so idk how voting you makes an ss flip inevitable

this makes some sense i think but i don't know if i have the spoons to figure out if it's actually a valid retelling of the events that just happened or if it's moving goalposts

this is why i don't do multilayered arguments

[Cephrir]

imagine we flip town that is not ss today, who do you think everyone will be pushing tomorrow?

to rephrase that since apparently i wasn't clear

some combination of

SS

, DGB, me and you would be my best guess.

right, you're kinda proving my point

idk why continued attention being on someone means we might as well kill them. if they're town, we benefit from them getting more time to convince others they're town. it's just so like nihilistic.

[Cephrir]

the former. since you feel like you didn't gain much from analyzing d1 and that was my attempt to analyze d1, maybe it could give you a thought or you could tell me why my thoughts suck

i can do this tomorrow if you don't mind me going "that's not ai imo" for a lot of things? i think a lot of things are nai unless you squint really hard

that's fine. i mean, you don't have to, i was just wondering if it might be helpful to you to think about what others are getting out of the day if you didn't get anywhere on your own

[Cephrir]

i think you're kinda walking back each iteration of your argument against me as i refute what you're saying but ok

sure. whatever.

i'll always "lose" a protracted debate like this. i'm just not persuasive or eloquent in that way, and invariably even i don't know if i have a point by the end so i'll just sort of melt into a puddle like i'm doing now.

[Cephrir]

Something Smart, if you are alive tomorrow, will your effort change?

No.

ceph what do you think is gonna change tomorrow if ss is alive exactly

i don't know! it's a wonderful adventure we'll all have together finding out. i don't think this way, i just try to kill the scum

[Cephrir]

But wait what if we don't flip SS today but still hit scum? Is SS still the topic tomorrow?

he really, really, really shouldn't be, in that scenario.

[Cephrir]

i am possibly willing to concede that

pedit i mean probably not but i'm pessimistic and doubtful we're flipping scum today

me too! but i want to try! take my paw skitter let's travel to a magical dream land where scum elims are possible

[Cephrir]

Everyone seems resigned that SS is town and this will be a miz. So why aren't we flipping scum then.

well, partly apathy and partly we can't agree about who is scum, i expect. it is plurality tho so you can kinda vote your heart and damn the consequences.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: DGB

[Cephrir]

i mean if you wanna start a galron wagon you have my cutlass.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: galron

[Cephrir]

Everyone seems resigned that SS is town and this will be a miz. So why aren't we flipping scum then.

me and probably others don't know who scum is and feel like ss has at least a decent chance of being scum

I think there's a "decent" chance, but I don't know in the range of decent I'm like a 3/10 I guess just kind of basing it off of day 1 not being s/s and SS's attitude Today.

where has this opinion been prior to right now?*

*cephrir inc did not fact check this and takes no responsibility for any stupid posts

[Cephrir]

That's more like it. See we can figure out how to not be apathetic.

you can't make me townread you that easily nice try

[Cephrir]

But i do think most people are townreading ceph. I am becoming more sus of him

I don't townread him.

we know. you're like a broken record. got anything else to say?

[Cephrir]

oh no why is maple bleeding

[Cephrir]

Yeah it sounds like we should get a flip and move on

Where is this coming from? You seem to agree with my reads?

[Cephrir]

Uh, something like

Skitter, Pooky, Ceph, DGB
Ydrasse, Galron
Everyone else

Tetrina and Gamma up a bit, Ceph down a bit, so like:

Skitter, Pooky, DGB
Ydrasse, Galron, Ceph
Tetrina, Gamma
Infinity, ssbm

I want to turn this upside down.

[Cephrir]

do you still think this guy is town dude

[Grumpy noises]

I don't know.

[Cephrir]

No one could accuse him of being survivalistic. That's something, right?

[Cephrir]

I'm going to bed.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: galron

[Cephrir]

i feel like i have the answer to this pooky/skitter conversation but i shouldnt give it

[Cephrir]

to sort you duh?

oh, i thought he was just joking/messing with you

[Cephrir]

i like Actually Trying Pooky

not for town necessarily it's just enjoyable when u mix in a lil effort with the usual

[Cephrir]

Ceph can i get like a tldr of your reads plz?

Gamma, kyouko
SS, Infinity, Tetrina
Pooky
Skitter, Ydrasse
Galron, DGB

wanna wagon DGB?

sure

VOTE: dgb

[Cephrir]

maybe ceph makes sense as scum and he's just not efforting but still can look towny anyway?

this is what me efforting looks like

[Cephrir]

continually offended on behalf of my scum game :V

[Cephrir]

Not particularly impressed with that

[Cephrir]

um why would you guys want to vote off a claimed protective role

r u serious

Protective roles are like literally the most classic thing for scun to claim

[Cephrir]

Why would I want to elim someone I think is scum but who claimed a role that might self resolve or might do nothing, over someone I think is town or a last minute rush elim on someone I'm not sure about

It's not a thinker

[Cephrir]

are you saying you have 0 other people you want to eliminate other than dGB?

No but it's one I can actually get

Protective roles are like literally the most classic thing for scun to claim

cuz enchant claimed a protective role yea

clap clap

great logickz

Are you being obtuse on purpose? This is a stupid rebuttal.

[Cephrir]

Galron mostly

Obvtown kyouko has been slamming her head against that one all day and no one but me cares

[Cephrir]

Are you being obtuse on purpose? This is a stupid rebuttal.

you're the one trying to hard yeet a claim protective buddy

if any1's being purposefully obtuse its you

So yes, you are just throwing absolutely any words you can think of at me with no regard for their coherence. You are fully aware that your point is dumb. Why is this so important to you?

I'm going to bed but damn dude you're acting like I sprouted a second head because I didnt back off from any PR claim

Did u know scun can lie

I'm going to bed this is ridiculous and I'm tired and cranky

[Cephrir]

SS is town. DGB is right in pointing out scum don't post pro DGB in the spot he was in.

I'm more or less speechless that there is a big wagon on me for no reason after everything I've done here. :/

[Cephrir]

I'm not a VT either and my role is provable. At some point you have to stop the game of whack a mole and vote for scum.

[Cephrir]

whos scum?

DGB. It plays like a scum, walks like a scum, posts like a scum.

Also galron or skitter, although i haven't fully processed the pop-up wagon on me or whatever ydrasse is doing right now.

[Cephrir]

i'm surprised to see both tetrina and infinity on me right now. tetrina recently 180d on me, or so i thought, and i felt like i found infinity as town and she was seeing the light too.

[Cephrir]

i'm already voting dgb.

[Cephrir]

The one-exe one-kill theory seems pretty unlikely.

?

[Cephrir]

why did you vote for cephrir if you're a doctor?

i think bodyguard and doctor can exist in the same setup but i guess other people don't. the scummiest thing about dgb is that it still hasn't given a flavor name

i mean i think they can too but if you subscribe to the idea that town must have a protective role then this is an alternative explanation i guess!

[Cephrir]

?

3238

i see.

[Cephrir]

this is exciting

We made it an exciting race!

[Cephrir]

presumably what the scumteam posted last night but without the snarky capital letters

[Cephrir]

well this is exciting.

i am not currently in possession of anything.

[Cephrir]

yo chill people do dumb things sometimes i'm not happy about it either but we don't need to rub it in

[Cephrir]

i'm kinda suspicous of how the wagons eod formed, and i think that the fact that the ceph one dissipated is sus

dude what are you smoking it only "dissipated" because infinity claimed otherwise i'd probably be dead

[Cephrir]

well, i'd have had to claim at least

[Cephrir]

it looks that way

[Cephrir]

i suppose i may as well just out this all the way.

i received a gift night 1. it was a 1-shot friendly neighbor. i used it on SS last night because there was a 0% chance he would be nightkilled.

[Cephrir]

Ceph is that what yiu meant by your soft eod?

yes

i may or may not have anything else, don't see any reason to fullclaim

[Cephrir]

I dont think that has any bearing on ss's alignment

agreed with this bit at least, i don't think there's any reason for him to suicide over this if he's scum, but i don't think he is

[Cephrir]

why would you use a friendly neighbor on someone we're all susp of

because no one would ever nightkill him in ten thousand years

[Cephrir]

I dont think that has any bearing on ss's alignment

agreed with this bit at least, i don't think there's any reason for him to suicide over this if he's scum, but i don't think he is

um how is your FN clearing if SS flips scum?

i mean, it isn't i guess?

[Cephrir]

i think i've been pretty clear on my belief that SS is town, so i don't really understand why you're so up in arms about this

[Cephrir]

i think i've been pretty clear on my belief that SS is town, so i don't really understand why you're so up in arms about this

cuz I think SS is just scum?

i don't care?

[Cephrir]

I didnt get any presents... I wonder if DGB actually got a present that let it be a bodyguard though. If that's the case, whoever is giving out these presents is scum, or they would have said something

either that or they didn't get a chance to post at the time. i tend to think this is a strong possibility though, since i don't see how anyone besides scum could give the gift that i received. i guess it's possible some of them could be from the callers?

[Cephrir]

even though pookyscum's day 1 actions seem ridiculous, i am having trouble coming to grips with how determined he has been to scumread me to the extent that he willfully ignores my posts in order to attack me about things that make complete sense (yesterday)

[Cephrir]

this seems like a pretty good explanation for the existence of the callers

[Cephrir]

well this is exciting.

[Cephrir]

never change, tetrina

[Cephrir]

If we can come up with a winning townblock of 4 I think we just win assuming no blanks

also assumes no gun holder is scum who will ignore the plan, right

[Cephrir]

Scum can’t straight up ignore the plan at least

if they know they're going to die they can, right?

[Cephrir]

anyway if we are going to discuss a final townblock to end all townblocks, i have to think the least controversial entry would be tetrina, right?

i would also advocate for kyouko and gamma.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir, what exactly did you receive on N1? How was it described to you - give flavor details if applicable

A diary and stuff to write with. There was some flavor as well, but I'm checking with the mod how much of that I'm allowed to say

[Cephrir]

I feel like using the guns as extra elims is better than murdering everyone who got one. Why are we even doing that? Just setup spec?

[Cephrir]

More flavor: i found my stuff in a package with my name on it near the crash site. Maybe it was there all along oooo spookyyy

[Cephrir]

yeah this feels super good

[Cephrir]

care to elaborate?

[Cephrir]

who did you check night 1?

[Cephrir]

thats impossible because tweetie told me I got my gun this morning

what are the chances that's just flavor?

[Cephrir]

why?

[Cephrir]

i don't really understand the attitude. why is it so bad to suspect you.

i'm a little surprised the mod wouldn't answer that question.

[Cephrir]

i've decided that i too am above suspicion forever

[Cephrir]

ok so with the callers disclaiming the guns that pretty much means they came from at least some type of scum right

like theres no way the mod would just pass them out at random so what other conclusion is left

[Cephrir]

i think it follows that the selections are probably intentional, which poses some questions. there is certainly one answer that jumps out at me.

[Cephrir]

Regardless, if Tetrina saw Pooky does not have a gun, it means Pooky is town unless they're both scum

But that isnt what she saw. She saw that he does have a gun. Which, if the invention happens first, just tells us nothing

[Cephrir]

asked for clarification: i got my gun during the night.

did everyone else get this answer too? I asked MT and I check to see if someone has a gun at the end of the night, not the start

I was told I got it “somethime between start of n2 and start of d3 “

it's pretty weird that this isn't the answer pooky got, yeah?

[Cephrir]

so i think the gunners must have been specifically chosen for specific reasons. i don't know how much wifom scum might have baked in here. if the scum caller is responsible, i'd expect they would not even think of wifom and would play it completely straight targeting townies who suspect townies. if not, idk. if they're playing it straight and pooky is town, they want him to shoot SS. if they're playing it straight and SS is town, it's because his readlist is fucking upside down so it's their best shot at getting obvtown. the purpose of the other picks would be less obvious to me.

but either way, i find it remarkably suspicious that neither kyouko nor i received a gun. i feel like almost any scumteam would choose at least one of us, particularly kyouko imo as she doesn't come off as an overthinker to me, except for one with a certain agenda.

VOTE: galron

[Cephrir]

very weird detective cephrir

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter for more deep insights

i wish you would stop giving me shit for arriving at perfectly reasonable conclusions based on the evidence i have

[Cephrir]

you're really going out of your way to have a problem with me here. you posted that after i expressed concern, yet are pretending the reason i said i'm suspicious is one that you just invented. i haven't decided whether i believe you about that, but the way you respond to pretty much every post i make with hyperbole makes me think you're tilted scum <3

[Cephrir]

like for real is this a personal problem it's starting to feel like one

[Cephrir]

ok. cool.

i'm just bringing it up i'm not trying to suplex you over it.

[Cephrir]

you'll know when the suplex is happening. :3

[Cephrir]

you're casting suspicion over what I claimed versus what gamma claimed when they are basically the same thing except I paraphrased whereas he decided to more or less copy paste what the moderator wrote.

Now if we're going to play "copy paste moderator" communications I can just copy paste the notification PM and you can verify off that but I'm pretty sure that's not something we're supposed to be doing.

i thought they were substantially different info :shrug:

[Cephrir]

like i am reading what gamma said as "sometime among the start of night, during the night, and daystart, and i'm not telling you which"

[Cephrir]

i mean that the mod is not telling you which

[Cephrir]

we playin telephone up in here

[Cephrir]

i think it's galron & ydrasse

shrug

[Cephrir]

skitter or pooky are also possibilities tho

[Cephrir]

i wouldnt characterize any of those people as deepwolves really

[Cephrir]

how is this news this has been apparent forever

[Cephrir]

so i think the gunners must have been specifically chosen for specific reasons. i don't know how much wifom scum might have baked in here. if the scum caller is responsible, i'd expect they would not even think of wifom and would play it completely straight targeting townies who suspect townies. if not, idk. if they're playing it straight and pooky is town, they want him to shoot SS. if they're playing it straight and SS is town, it's because his readlist is fucking upside down so it's their best shot at getting obvtown. the purpose of the other picks would be less obvious to me.

but either way, i find it remarkably suspicious that neither kyouko nor i received a gun. i feel like almost any scumteam would choose at least one of us, particularly kyouko imo as she doesn't come off as an overthinker to me, except for one with a certain agenda.

VOTE: galron

why are we totally breezing past this though i thought it was rly good

[Cephrir]

im an insurgent

[Cephrir]

I think i dont understand it, sorry >.>

well let's start here: why do you think the people who have guns have guns?

i think it's obvious what kyouko or i would have done with a gun as of eod2, and if galron is town, i think they would have tried to get one of us to shoot him

[Cephrir]

if you like those vote counts boy do i have a galron to sell you (he's on enchant and then gets off)

[Cephrir]

if you like those vote counts boy do i have a galron to sell you (he's on enchant and then gets off)

so was rousseau, she flipped town

i hate vca anyway im just fishin with the bait i've got

folksy anecdote here

[Cephrir]

He just feels very pure and townie, and like he's truly trying to solve. When he was run up several times, eqch time he didnt mind or try to get out of it, he just asked for the chance to give his fonal reads. It felt like a very townie reaction, and not like a scum reaction at all

Also his protest at flipping ss eod yesterday sounded supet townie as well, scum dont step in there to slow down the wagon unless exactly partners with ss, they try to force that misflip through

it's strange to me that you feel this way yet don't see the same exact behavior in ss

[Cephrir]

@kyouko/cephrir

what's your thoughts on the meaning of the guns if galron flips town?

i would have to have a think about that. i'd be confused.

[Cephrir]

i guess they'd have to have played some real 3D chess, but i wouldn't be sure if they did that with all their picks or just some of them.

i should look back to see what you and ydrasse seemed likely to shoot

i think tetrina's lack of gun is interesting too incidentally. i think she'd be unpredictable with it, which makes me think scum liked the status quo?

[Cephrir]

it's strange to me that you feel this way yet don't see the same exact behavior in ss

Where has ss done any of that?

he's more or less given up every time he's been run up, no? there was one point i remember where it looked like him or dgb would be the elim and he was out here supporting dgb and thus effectively arguing he should die, i can try to find it later

[Cephrir]

I never really got the same vibe from ss, or felt like he had given up?

well i dont think doing nothing while at e-1 is survivalistic

[Cephrir]

i like nka! it's been so reviled for so long that i think scum have started NKing whoever they want again knowing no one will want to read into it

[Cephrir]

I'm getting ready to leave the office, so giving some reads in case I get hammered on the way home. Scum!Gamma doesn't post 584 & 585, especially 585 I think. I also think scum!Gamma doesn't top post unless his scum game has changed since last time I scummed with him maybe 8-10 months ago.

Posts like these are why i like galron ^ he felt an urgency to get his final reads out in case he got flipped before he came home

i did like that post too, but there's plenty i dislike as well

[Cephrir]

scum bus sometimes, especially weirdly!

[Cephrir]

And why are scum protecting me exactly? What benefit do they get from doing that?

because ur scum...

I'm a novice comms officer. I inherited all of shiki's stuff.

That was because skitte said somthing about mass claiming which is fine with me. I started as a vt -- insurgent and now I'm novice comms person.

that isn't how backups work?

[Cephrir]

a backup novice makes no sense. these guns mean the game is likely to be pretty much over before that could do anything.

[Cephrir]

a backup novice makes no sense. these guns mean the game is likely to be pretty much over before that could do anything.

I didn't get the role backup novice comms officer PM at the beginning of the game. I got the insurgent PM. I had no idea I was a backup even after I found the walkie in my backpack eod 1. I found out I was novice comms officer when shiki died. I think it was bc I was the one she gave a walkie to.

yes, and this isn't how backup roles typically work, which i feel is indicative that it is not true. plus, novice means you could never have possibly used it until night 3 in 90% of scenarios. i just don't believe that this is in the setup

because ur scum...

From what you said I didn't get that. It sounded like you had me separated out, which is correct, and then scums protecting me for some reason.

yes well apparently no one understood that post so you're not alone. i thought my vote at the end made the implication clear.

[Cephrir]

if im scum the last thing i want is to be in a neighborhood with town, i'd love to shoot them lol

[Cephrir]

could be for your benefit, or his teammate wanted to kill her, or she just looked too town to live, or or or

[Cephrir]

btw I want the people who actually think i'm scum here when i'm obviously not scum to actually say it so I have it on the record instead of dealing with this nitpicky bullshit

I've been pretty clear that you're like my third or fourth pick for scum I think

[Cephrir]

btw I want the people who actually think i'm scum here when i'm obviously not scum to actually say it so I have it on the record instead of dealing with this nitpicky bullshit

I've been pretty clear that you're like my third or fourth pick for scum I think

whats your list again?

I think both scum are in galron, you, ydrasse and skitter

[Cephrir]

I haven't thought about that yet. I dont usually spend my energy on trying to solve the whole puzzle at once -- once I get a scum flip I will look for their partner and that may change who i suspect

[Cephrir]

I haven't thought about that yet. I dont usually spend my energy on trying to solve the whole puzzle at once -- once I get a scum flip I will look for their partner and that may change who i suspect

why are you not defending kyouko from me if you think she's town?

Because I dont think shes in danger. I dont think you can get her elimed, and you'll only shoot her if ss flips scum which I dont believe he will

[Cephrir]

Because I dont think shes in danger. I dont think you can get her elimed, and you'll only shoot her if ss flips scum which I dont believe he will

ok but if i'm town you should still want to explain your POV to me so that I can see why you think she's town no?

like gamma obviously gives a shit I don't understand why you don't seem to care?

I'm a different player from you and gamma. I've posted my thoughts on kyoukotown as the game has progressed. If you didnt care for them that's all I had... I dont see why I would spend my time trying to shove that specific read down your throat in particular. Plenty of people disagree with plenty of my reads... that's just life

[Cephrir]

If we must do that I think you should be switched with ydrasse.

[Cephrir]

I mean if we lay out our plan like this and they have a block theyll just use it on whatever townie is shooting scum.

I'd rather have someone I trust as the single shot to make sure it actually happens.

[Cephrir]

That makes one of us

[Cephrir]

She just hasn't ever made me feel like she isnt. Games been going a while I need some good content to not feel bad about you

Sry if this is not inspiring

[Cephrir]

it's wild that i we haven't even managed to generate a real galron wagon at any point. pretty incredible really. seems like scum really hate that idea c:

[Cephrir]

Everyone with a gun shoot someone who claims not to have a gun.

this is bad

[Cephrir]

Even if you scum read me, what's wrong with choosing the same target?

oh you were still talking about one target everyone agrees on there

nvm

[Cephrir]

Me waiting for literally anyone to notice what I posted last night:

i liked the reference. you want to kill someone who isn't s_s, so everybody but me and kyouko is going to ignore you, that's just how it is