Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

There's too many possibilities for the missing kill. I would get voting Flavor but I'm townreading them. For now, Melanque is an ok elimination.

Your last two posts confuse me, Math. Is Keeper scum or not? Why did you abandon the FL push?

Why is Mena specifically mafia?

Lines
—-
Me
___

You

Meet me in the middle

Keeper is town

Mena is scum because SCP/Koba was shot by mafia.

[MathBlade]

My preference after mena is Klick (which after I die tonight he becomes insta elim. You’ll see why)

Then after that Tic Tac for hunting me with the FL vote

Then after that whoever.

Told you scum shoulda shot me

oracle

Think what you want.

[MathBlade]

I literally do not understand that post.

I don't get how you came to your conclusions.

~Titus

Read between the lines.

I gotta go figure out food.

You’ll get it when you focus on it

[MathBlade]

wouldn't nka point to keeper/ducks as mafia b/v thats who koba was calling mafia?

SCP/Koba’s last post calls Mena scum? I quoted it.

*confused*

Keeper is likely town as I am not dead.

[MathBlade]

SCP/Koba’s last post calls Mena scum? I quoted it.

scum is a catch all term and was but koba was specificly pushing keeper/ducks as mafia.

Of those two I’d go Ducks but it’s more likely Mena.

I don’t think Keeper is scum.

[MathBlade]

Wait what. I posted when it was e-1 as last posts and now there's a pi Blade?!
Forums be weird yo.

MB your slot is scummy as all heck to me, jsyk.

Noted faer.

I don’t mind the shade.

I am not religious but I will hope to bless town in unique ways you may not understand

Loud and clear MB, loud and clear.

Keeper kills me if scum. This is why.

[MathBlade]

Math is crumbing pretty hard a guilty of somesort.

~Titus

I am actually crumbing/hard claiming FL was shot by wolves last night

Menalque is because of Koba’s posts. I could be pursuaded on that elsewhere.

[MathBlade]

N1 was FL >> has gun
N2 was Klick ?? (Hiding) >> got no result
N3 was FL >> I have reason to believe wolf scum shot FL and since he’s not dead

[MathBlade]

There are 14 alive and 2 Mafia
Mafia are running out of time to kill any slots that are not Masons
unless you all really want to make Mafia's lives easier by voting one of us

I agree, which is why I have to consider my read might be wrong and mafia no killed. Then wolves kill a monk. However, I can't go against a guilty. That makes less sense. It is possible wolves got blocked though.

~Titus

This is 99% wrong. FL was a monk.

X doesn’t happen if FL was shot by mafia. X only happens if FL is shot by wolves.

[MathBlade]

Is a monk*

[MathBlade]

Menalque isn't trying to influence the gamestate
He isn't trying to manipulate anyone
He doesn't give a shit
He is coming in and occasionally saying what he thinks, and has no significant connecting factors with anyone
He's also been getting set up as a potential ML candidate like me for ages by the people actually running the day phases in this game that have so far gone 0/3

Oh you’re dying. Just going to use my flip to explain it rather than anything else.

[MathBlade]

I could legit go for Titus wolf. She’s being pretty bad atm. Not like herself.

It’s quite possible Titus sucking up to FL.

[MathBlade]

Ok.

This makes no sense but I'll try and understand later. For now, I'm ok with follow the cop.

~Titus

Not a cop.

Don’t have a guilty on Mastina

Wolves shot FL and he lived. << This is what I have

[MathBlade]

any reads or thoughts on this game?

the town is bleeding holy shit

Why are you not giving any reads this game?

Listen, I need to do my homework, I'll be back in a few hours.

My dude if you have been scum this whole time I will be very disappointed. Mostly in myself.

VOTE: menalque

pedit:

Ok.

This makes no sense but I'll try and understand later. For now, I'm ok with follow the cop.

~Titus

Not a cop.

Don’t have a guilty on Mastina

Wolves shot FL and he lived. << This is what I have

if that's all you have, where are you pulling the rest of your thoughts from? (eg klick)

or am i misreading and you have some other info as well. it's ok if you don't want to answer this i guess i'm just confused

N1 >> FL has a gun
N2 >> Klick no result combined with 1 shot GS (which I find sus combined with my PR)
N3 >> Learned (for some reason I am keeping hidden) wolves shot FL is very very likely.

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N1 >> FL has a gun
N2 >> Klick no result combined with 1 shot GS (which I find sus combined with my PR)
N3 >> Learned (for some reason I am keeping hidden) wolves shot FL is very very likely.

This is very carefully different from how you originally phrased things
'which I find sus' and 'very very likely' were notably much more absolute statements in prior versions of this info
Why are you giving yourself room to wiggle

I am not. I firmly believe after I die you will since Mafia didn’t shoot me
Based on redacted, wolves shot FL

[MathBlade]

Flavor gets it.

And nope. Mafia shot a monk.

It’s nigh on mod confirmed to me.

Yes it’s a gambity/weird play but (lalalala) does not happen UNLESS wolves shot FL

[MathBlade]

Dunnstral

(8) |

MathBlade

, Save The Dragons,

Menalque

, MegAzumarill, Nero Cain, bnuuy, Nashville Dreams,

cassowary

Flavor Leaf (8) | Klick, tictac,

Dunnstral

,

cassowary

,

mastina

,

MalcolmTucker

,

Menalque

,

MonkeyMan576

Scum is in purple.


SPC was also likely never gonna get faded, and they were one of my biggest defenders, and I imagine both teams wanted to keep the opportunity to fade me alive.

I was defending TicTac earlier, but I’ve started town reading Mega and Klick, and mixed in with how I knew I’d get off vibes from TicTac if they were scum, I started talking about how they could be scum with Monkey in my Monkery last night.

I don’t necessarily think Math is scum right now, it’s possible, but I’ve flipped, and it makes zero sense for scum to say they think i was shot at here.

Could still be scum, but not my priority right now.

*sigh* (at FL)

TFW

TFW

*sigh* (at FL)

Too bad Titus

[MathBlade]

What I am saying will be confirmed

[MathBlade]

I feel like I’m conf town, tbh. But I somewhat understand the BOP.

TicTac going me with reasons of ‘im the Limpool’ is pretty obv scum, though.

You can ask STD to confirm that I had called TicTac scum overnight

We could go tic tac.

I think he flips wolf. I bet (colloquially) tic tac wants to know why his team’s kill failed so he pushed you.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Tic tac

Baaaaaaaah

[MathBlade]

why are we back at tictac again, I thought they were cleared

VOTE: cass

They're cleared of wolf based on vote patterns, mafia based on role. I forgot about their masonry. Tictac's out of my lim pool.

~Titus

And I pointed out earlier where your VCA was bad and you still continue to use it? Wtf?

[MathBlade]

Okay those are actually v good points

VOTE: FL

Nope nope nope

Wolves tried to shoot FL I would bank on that.

Bad vote.

[MathBlade]

Math can I see both strategy reads and play reads from you? I know you're likely not responding for a bit due to IRL.

~Titus

Play reads = you scum. You’re ignoring VCA critiques and mechanical information that will be proven true and working against me similar to the game where Galron was scum with you.

TicTac => VCA supports TicTac being scum and he is trying to find out what happened to the FL kill with that vote. I think wolves might have figured out something but we will see.

Mechanical reads = FL has a gun, Klick scum (because no result N2 and 1 shot gunsmith), Wolves shot FL and failed

[MathBlade]

You can ask STD to confirm that I had called TicTac scum overnight

u can ask meg or klick to confirm that i said u were my #1 scumread and that i was waiting to see if there was a singlekill night.

u say u gated by masons being alive yet u outed the masons day1 for 0 reason.
u say u also gated by 2shot making ur role overcomplicated and weird and also that is the number on concurrent scumkills. and lo there is indeed a kill missing, just like there would be if maf made the kills u claiming.
u HARD defended ench day1, and also informedly(as "informed ability") defended me, yet u voted me, making me think the "defense" of me was cover for defense of enchant.
enchant chose to dusk-kill ydr over u when u had very clearly said u were gonna shoot mastina. that doesn't make sense unless the shooting of mastina was something maf wanted, and mastina was neg-util.
and sure u given excuses and u claimed stuff in monkery all of which sounda to me like u knew which defect in ur story u would have to explain away next.

as 4 math: i don't beilieve that maf would kill conf non-wolf in this gamestate, that's just dumb. imma put zero weight on [redacted] especially when it's not clear what is pr-info and what is conjecture. (my confidence on math reasoning validly even if he does have data is not like 100%)
i get vibes of math pseudoclaiming vig last game tho, so i buy that he thinks the game should now revolve around him tho.

You’re welcome not to do it but I baited wolves into shooting FL yesterday and look no kill on FL.

[MathBlade]

I don't like how insistent Math is about pushing this possibility today when it resolves and then trying to push me as a partner with Flavor. His accusations are out of left field, especially given I documented this before he subbed in.

~Titus

This theory would be exposed in a massclaim as well. There would have to be a method of preventing the mafia kill that worked n1 or n2. His partner would have to claim that as mafia not killing n1 and n2 is not believable.

~Titus

As I said I haven’t read

When you see the position I am in you’ll see why I am pushing it because

(Redacted) is likely impossible.

I don’t particularly care for what is “liked” I care for what is accurate

That still doesn't explain you're pushing me with Flavor given I am entertaining your theory.

You can't expect us to act on redacted.

~Titus

You’re not “entertaining” it. You’re actively defending him. If I am paranoid wolves just kill him and I am the ridiculous one they push tomorrow. You have a case not to push him, which is fine whatever.

I don’t expect anyone to act on redacted today/tonight

I am expecting everywhere with redacted/ascetic to be found after I flip. It will likely give you 2-3 scums and the same pool I gave above.

And if scum don’t kill me it becomes even worse in mass claim when I go through and explain each bit

So either
A) I am lying and full of shit and eat a bullet
B) Truthtelling that I have mechanical issues that I can’t explain right now and die overnight which highlights things
C) Truthtelling that I have mechanical issues that I can’t explain right now and don’t eat a bullet but then with the decreased PoE I will know for a fact that (redacted one) did/did not (redacted two) unless in the rare case (redacted three) but in which case why is (redacted 4) not (redacted 5)?
D) I am lying and full of shit and don’t eat a bullet

Notice how FL doesn’t hammer Dunn? That is sus considering “he’s okay with Dunn”

You’re welcome to push we are in world D but since when do I ever play a gamble I lose?

I almost never make that trade and I am not quite the king of all trades here maybe a lesser noble as some are better at the game of chicken than me

[MathBlade]

If I am paranoid wolves just shoot FL, which almost certainly happened not mafia and Titus soft sussed me

Ergo Titus and tictac are my wolves by play reads and they think incorrectly I am mafia.

[MathBlade]

Also if [redacted] is an ongoing games thing can we just stop

If it isn’t idk why y’all are using [redacted] and not just saying whatever thing it is

It’s not ongoing games I wouldn’t do that

The answers are in thread but very obscure and I’d rather not have to claim yet but I probably die tonight and if I don’t then yay?

[MathBlade]

how do the kills work n2 then? wolves kill mastina and he kills butterchurn? So he just got super lucky that the wolves helped him out...

The theory would likely be (barring a likely non existent vig)

FL as mafia kills catboi/RCE.
Wolves no kill (a wolf kill here in the FL maf scenario requires a vig)
FL as mafia kills mastina.
Wolves killed butterchurn.
Wolves kill SCP.


This makes a bit more sense than the mafia shooting a monk.

~Titus

I don’t care it’s wrong.

(X) is true therefore wolves shot FL.

I don’t buy wolves not shooting me or FL last night.

[MathBlade]

That kill theory was my D2 and I was wrong,

But now all of a sudden when tictac is a wagon I am right?

Lmao no that’s not how any of this works.

I already said I am important and not a minor PR.

I’d rather not full claim unless I have to but I am not in danger of elim

And FL is not going to die via elim when dude’s practically inno by your own arguments.

And I know wolves likely shot him

No.

[MathBlade]

Scum are welcome to kill me and confirm what I am saying

[MathBlade]

Nah I am good.

You and Tic tac are the only ones demanding an explanation.

You read like bitter scum.

I am okay holding out unless town asks for it.

You can kill me.

[MathBlade]

So Titus is scum who can’t kill FL

So she pushes him in the day lmao.

Niiiice

[MathBlade]

Math, how do all the nightkills shape out if FL is town?

~Titus

That’s what I was asking yesterday and you said tomorrow.

It’s tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

If we do a massclaim, I can confirm something less urgent to confirm and maybe catch another player (long shot). I'd like to go after them, but I don't want to tip them off.

I almost think it's necessary, especially with Math ignoring the circumstances that must exist for FL to be town.

~Titus

I don’t think it’s needed yet unless town believes bad info and I don’t see that happening.

[MathBlade]

How do you see the kills given Wolves killed FL?

You’re spouting a lot of theories but they’re wrong.

FL vig shoots Catboi.
Wolves/Mafia both no kill.

FL shoots Mastina.
One scum loses kill and other kills butterchurn

Mafia kill SCP
Wolves shoot FL.

Mechanical theory ^^

My opinion vv
I think you’re the wolf to do this thinking I told you to and you think I am mafia so you did it as a signal to try to “prove” loyalty. I see no reason given you won’t consider my world yet don’t want to elim me which reeks of poisoning the thread with bad ideas.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: casso

No FL.

Join us on tictac please.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: casso

No FL.

Join us on tictac please.

Why?

Tictac is unreadable for me.

Why do you want to elim in the {masonary}.

That’s odd

Because you and TicTac and Klick and Menalque are my strongest scumreads. FL (my strongest TR) agrees on tictac. I am trying to cooperate with him as Klick will die after I flip I don’t have to push him now.

Cassowary has been pushed by my PoE for a long time so that wagon sucks.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: KEEPER

I’d be dead if Keeper was scum.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: KEEPER

I’d be dead if Keeper was scum.

why?

Already explained in thread.

If Keeper was a wolf, wolves don’t lose their kill.
If Keeper was mafia, they’d know I am a powerful role based on Keeper’s response I quoted before.

If Keeper can’t be a wolf and can’t be mafia Keeper is town.

[MathBlade]

I really want to argue this with math

But good god I don’t think I can

If Cass isnt the lim today I’ll prob have a hissy fit

And if cass does flip scum math and FL need to be sorted trying to derail this

Lol why are you so insistent on siding with PoE scum?

[MathBlade]

Like all (hyperbole) your scumreads from yesterday were on Cass and now you’re, let’s elim Cass?

Makes no sense

[MathBlade]

First >> You are by not considering my mechanical facts as true
Second >> FL’s explanation that Mastina didn’t believe him makes sense.
Third >> hmmm another? Interesting. Not going to touch that yet.

Second question >> The missing kill last night is from wolves.
Last sentence >> Because I start from what mod tells me is true then work backwards. I trust mod over you.

[MathBlade]

Pretty much yeah.

If someone I tr asks for it I will but I would rather not claim. I get more benefits for town the longer I don’t claim.

[MathBlade]

Hey mb

Explain 8579

Cuz I’m not your sister

Same slot and I think Titus reads as frustrated scum.

[MathBlade]

First >> You are by not considering my mechanical facts as true
Second >> FL’s explanation that Mastina didn’t believe him makes sense.
Third >> hmmm another? Interesting. Not going to touch that yet.

Second question >> The missing kill last night is from wolves.
Last sentence >> Because I start from what mod tells me is true then work backwards. I trust mod over you.

I'm not considering mafia game throwing as true without evidence to the contrary.

That's why I want your explatation. Nero wants it. Melanque wants it. Klick wants it.

If FL is confirmed not mafia, he's conftown. That works. Hiding your PR is much lower on the scale.

~Titus

Nero hasn’t said he wants me to out and neither has FL and he’s figured out what the jig is.

So my TRs are FL Nero and Keeper

[MathBlade]

So quite frankly Titus you’re just being loud and spammy.

Me claiming right now is BAD.

[MathBlade]

CAN WE LIM
CASSO
NOW

Can you explain why you’re all of a sudden swapping to work with your scumreads?

[MathBlade]

Bro

It’s mala

Titus is being loud and spammy.

You’re just being loud.

That was a correct statement.

[MathBlade]

Maybe wolves shot in the monastery because they have to

Keeper!scum isn't impossible because you weren't killed lol. You're far from the only viable nightkill. Even if your premises are all true and Keeper sees whatever you're saying, they could still choose to kill someone that's confirmed to not be their alignment.

I do not wish to entertain Keeper scum.

[MathBlade]

what if Keeper did try to kill and it just didn't happen?

Not possible. I will explain it if I have to full claim.

[MathBlade]

I have no idea where wolves are but I can quite easily believe math/FL as the final 2 maf

Yes.

Town!Math should be aware of how nonsensical position he sounds without claiming. Yet he wants to stall and impose his theory. Town!Math would know mafia!FL needs masons to flip and should be suss there. Town!Math should know his claim stands out like a sore thumb. Math claimed strong info yesterday that wasn't. Then Math still tries to do the same thing as yesterday.

It is strong info and it was strong info yesterday and is today.

Fuck your shade

[MathBlade]

Math

You should have killed me while you had the chance

Now I’m awake and alive

And want scumblood on my blade

Give it to me with a casso lim

??

I don’t kill

And you haven’t explained why you’re working with Menalque Tic Tac and Klick who were your scumreads yesterday

So no

[MathBlade]

There’s like no argument at all

This reeks of Titus loud and desperate anywhere but tictac.

[MathBlade]

Maybe wolves shot in the monastery because they have to

Keeper!scum isn't impossible because you weren't killed lol. You're far from the only viable nightkill. Even if your premises are all true and Keeper sees whatever you're saying, they could still choose to kill someone that's confirmed to not be their alignment.

Wolves shot FL. FL is alive. These things are true.

[MathBlade]

again

Not understanding why you want to lim in the masonady

Didn’t you want kilick yesterday and didn’t get your way and now you want tic-tac-toe

Because Tictac reads like wolf desperate to figure out why FL died

Rather than work with me you decided “Yeah I am going to work with yesterday’s scum reads and hunt for a wagon”

[MathBlade]

Maybe wolves shot in the monastery because they have to

Keeper!scum isn't impossible because you weren't killed lol. You're far from the only viable nightkill. Even if your premises are all true and Keeper sees whatever you're saying, they could still choose to kill someone that's confirmed to not be their alignment.

Wolves shot FL. FL is alive. These things are true.

And Keeper could very easily make this decision, even if they thought you were PR.

No, they literally don’t.

[MathBlade]

I wanted Klick yesterday then realized my flip will speak for itself.

[MathBlade]

again

Not understanding why you want to lim in the masonady

Didn’t you want kilick yesterday and didn’t get your way and now you want tic-tac-toe

Because Tictac reads like wolf desperate to figure out why FL died

Rather than work with me you decided “Yeah I am going to work with yesterday’s scum reads and hunt for a wagon”

?????

Fl didn’t die

Forgot the word didn’t in a hurry.

[MathBlade]

NKA is wrong far more often than it's right

I'd even take VCA > NKA

now if you wanna give us something mechanical that's different but "just trust me, NKA supports this, more info later" isn't really a line I'm buying into, sorry

My VCA earlier posted said TicTac scum

And you are scum asking for it.

[MathBlade]

Math, what is your independent read on cassowary? Not gee my scumreads are pushing it.

~Titus

You know that’s not how I form reads.

[MathBlade]

Much more likely that wolves just shot SCP though lmao

It literally isn’t.

[MathBlade]

NKA is wrong far more often than it's right

I'd even take VCA > NKA

now if you wanna give us something mechanical that's different but "just trust me, NKA supports this, more info later" isn't really a line I'm buying into, sorry

My VCA earlier posted said TicTac scum

And you are scum asking for it.

TicTac is a mason.
TicTac countered catboi.

Easy lol.

~Titus

I already explained tic tac wolf earlier based on VCA and explained you’re flawed logic.

The fact you just regurgitate “easy” is ridiculous,

[MathBlade]

why am I scum, math? SCP flip?

Because you’re not like the game I was scum in

You were all leadery

Here you were dejected when two scum died

Now you have a Titus to sheep you’re excited

Your excitement matches how well your team is doing.

[MathBlade]

That and the flip yeah.

[MathBlade]

Much more likely that wolves just shot SCP though lmao

It literally isn’t.

It literally is.

No it isn’t.

[MathBlade]

why am I scum, math? SCP flip?

Because you’re not like the game I was scum in

You were all leadery

Here you were dejected when two scum died

Now you have a Titus to sheep you’re excited

Your excitement matches how well your team is doing.

do you mean the TM game from 2021?

Yeah. You were like “solve solve solve. Put scum in cage. Math scum. More strategery”

Here it’s laid back and sheepy.

Your post level matches how well your team is doing.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=160&t=85650&hilit=Menalque

This game is what I am referring to.

It’s a major contrast combined with being the mafia killing SCP makes sense.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?p=12528900#p12528900

You haven’t done anything like this or your following post in the ISO.

You’re too “complacent”.

[MathBlade]

votecount 3.6

Dunnstral (7) | MathBlade, Save The Dragons, Menalque, MegAzumarill, Nero Cain, bnuuy, Nashville Dreams

cassowary (2) | Klick, Dunnstral
Klick (2) | SCP 682, Cat Scratch Fever
Menalque (2) | cassowary, The Keeper

MathBlade (1) | Flavor Leaf
Cat Scratch Fever (1) | The Keeper
The Keeper (1) | tictac

Not Voting | Sword of Ducks

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-01 09:03:00).

I was hoping people would be quiet while I put out a work fire but not this quiet.

Votes on Dunn let’s go!! 4-0-21 FTW!

J

et’s get on the

boat

!!

[MathBlade]

I don't like how insistent Math is about pushing this possibility today when it resolves and then trying to push me as a partner with Flavor. His accusations are out of left field, especially given I documented this before he subbed in.

~Titus

This theory would be exposed in a massclaim as well. There would have to be a method of preventing the mafia kill that worked n1 or n2. His partner would have to claim that as mafia not killing n1 and n2 is not believable.

~Titus

As I said I haven’t read

When you see the position I am in you’ll see why I am pushing it because

(Redacted) is likely impossible.

I don’t particularly care for what is “liked” I care for what is accurate

That still doesn't explain you're pushing me with Flavor given I am entertaining your theory.

You can't expect us to act on redacted.

~Titus

You’re not “entertaining” it. You’re actively defending him. If I am paranoid wolves just kill him and I am the ridiculous one they push tomorrow. You have a case not to push him, which is fine whatever.

I don’t expect anyone to act on redacted today/tonight

I am expecting everywhere with redacted/ascetic to be found after I flip. It will likely give you 2-3 scums and the same pool I gave above.

And if scum don’t kill me it becomes even worse in mass claim when I go through and explain each bit

So either
A) I am lying and full of shit and eat a bullet
B) Truthtelling that I have mechanical issues that I can’t explain right now and die overnight which highlights things
C) Truthtelling that I have mechanical issues that I can’t explain right now and don’t eat a bullet but then with the decreased PoE I will know for a fact that (redacted one) did/did not (redacted two) unless in the rare case (redacted three) but in which case why is (redacted 4) not (redacted 5)?
D) I am lying and full of shit and don’t eat a bullet

Notice how FL doesn’t hammer Dunn? That is sus considering “he’s okay with Dunn”

You’re welcome to push we are in world D but since when do I ever play a gamble I lose?

I almost never make that trade and I am not quite the king of all trades here maybe a lesser noble as some are better at the game of chicken than me

Not the king of all trades but a lesser noble, a Jack.

[MathBlade]

My suspicion is FL is strongman Mafia or town and Titus is the same alignment.
Klick is wolf fake claiming.
Dunn is wolf
Last wolf tictac

Cass town from how wolves piled

Good luck may the religious blessings find those that need it. Not being religious myself I don’t need blessings.

Religious blessings. Cleric. I guessed wolves would attack FL and he’s not dead.

Doctor only applies for Mafia.

It’s why I asked Titus who would kill FL more and why NKA was important

Wolves fucking shot FL as he’s alive

Let’s elim tictac now

N2 was occultist check on Klick no result.

Now why the hell Mastina would block a claimed 1 shot GS is quite frankly absurd unless they checked me but if they checked me I would be dead.

[MathBlade]

So congrats your protective is gonna die tonight because none of y’all will fucking listen.

Wolves fucking shot FL. Period.

Mafia shot SCP.

I do not care about any other explanations.

[MathBlade]

Wait what. I posted when it was e-1 as last posts and now there's a pi Blade?!
Forums be weird yo.

MB your slot is scummy as all heck to me, jsyk.

Noted faer.

I don’t mind the shade.

I am not religious but I will hope to bless town in unique ways you may not understand

Loud and clear MB, loud and clear.

Keeper saw I crumbed protective to wolves and would fucking kill me so I think Keeper is town.

Can we please elim TicTac or Klick now?

[MathBlade]

ah, math, you are remembering to take into account that each scum team can only kill 2/3 nights, right?

but uh

yeah, this seems kinda important

Scum both no killed N1

[MathBlade]

So congrats your protective is gonna die tonight because none of y’all will fucking listen.

Wolves fucking shot FL. Period.

Mafia shot SCP.

I do not care about any other explanations.

This blowup isn't consistent with you thinking everyone that wanted you to claim was scum

It’s more a matter of I was going to be dead anyway.

Soon as I die, Klick’s 1 shot GS is outed as obvious garbage.

I don’t live another night

My other actions weren’t protects so good luck.

We should absolutely be elimming in Tic Tac Menalque and Klick.

[MathBlade]

what does an occultist do?

It’s like a wolf or other role check.

Similar to gunsmith.

[MathBlade]

ah, math, you are remembering to take into account that each scum team can only kill 2/3 nights, right?

but uh

yeah, this seems kinda important

Scum both no killed N1

idk how you can be this confident in this

Competent scum don’t kill N1 here because claims come later and they’ll need the kills. Double no kill N1 is Occam’s razor.

Then they can kill nights 2-5 without issues.

[MathBlade]

Hell I would even buy a no kill no kill at this point from a scum team to have 3-6 kills available.

[MathBlade]

i don't think I was forcing u to claim?

I just got fed up from people not fucking listening

I debated literally screaming “I am scum elim me” in thread but that would be more throwing

I am pretty sure Titus is scum here trying to poison the game with bad info here I just can’t prove if she’s being stubborn because she’s Titus or stubborn because she wanted to force this result.

[MathBlade]

Now if anyone wants me to go over the redacteds I can now

N1 gunsmith check FL
N2 Occultist check Klick no result (could be Mastina blocked me but blocking a one shot GS claim is not like Mastina hence I think Klick is an ascetic wolf)
N3 Cleric on FL after I said “hey if I am paranoid wolves just shoot FL” makes me think wolves thought I was mafia and shot FL and Mafia shot SCP as a signal back.

[MathBlade]

It’s also why Tictac was scum for instantly pushing on FL for FL not dying. Ffs.

[MathBlade]

I don’t HAVE to flip you today Klick.

I know that as soon as I flip you probably die.

Therefore wolves don’t kill me and mafia doesn’t kill me

Which ends up in a protown result of (redacted)

And yet if you / wolves don’t kill me then the protown result of (redacted) happens

So I am a okay not elimming you today but we will see which poison the bad guys take. Either way sucks for them.

This is describing the dilemma of elimming/killing me outs Klick
And if they don’t I use more of my Joat abilities

[MathBlade]

I do agree that tictac looked a bit scummy for pushing FL. I just don't think FL is the push today.

FL is the push never. Not while I am alive. Far as I am concerned given roleblocker death and how the kills have played out FL is locktown until elo.

[MathBlade]

if Keeper is mafia then why would they shoot you? they wouldn't fear your role.

Because if I am one half of protective trying to sort kills, it’s likely I am also the other half given I already claimed gunsmith part.

[MathBlade]

Cleric math was obvious (although i forgot what it was called) Knowing who didnt die specifically by werewolves practically screams ww doctor

Occultist shot is interesting.
Frankly a massclaim at this point isnt the worst thing, any investigatives seem to be gated in some form and the info is valuable

Now that I am outed I agree with mass claim.

[MathBlade]

I kinda wanna pop to Nashville Dreams.

[MathBlade]

We can go popcorn.

[MathBlade]

player/replacement ledger

butterchurn
Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens)
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
Toogeloo momo
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Nero Cain Wallflower
SCP 682 Tracer Bullet
The Keeper
Dunnstral Well Done (Dunnstral & Lukewarm)
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
tictac
MathBlade MonkeyMan576
Klick
Enchant
mastina
RCEnigma catboi
Flavor Leaf
Menalque
Ydrasse NorwegianboyEE

here

Nashville Dreams
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Nero Cain
SCP 682
The Keeper
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
tictac
MathBlade
Klick
Flavor Leaf
Menalque

gone

Toogeloo,

Town Voyeur

, politely asked to leave Day 1.

RCEnigma,

Werewolf 1-shot Bookie

, fled town Night 1.

MalcolmTucker,

Town Hirsute Saint

, politely asked to leave Day 2.

Enchant,

Mafia Goon

, exorcised Day 2.

Ydrasse,

Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor

, fled town Twilight 2.

mastina,

Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker

, fled town Night 2.

butterchurn,

Malefactor 1-shot Watcher

, fled town Night 2.

Dunnstral,

Hirsute Townie

, politely asked to leave Day 3.

4-0-21

Was fourth ability post 0 21st name.

Woulda been obvious if I died. Could have figured out all the redacted’s from there.

So unless you want to argue there is “another protective” which I highly doubt I want ND to claim first because I think they checked me and knew I was a protective based on that specific wording and is planning on fake claiming protective. If not then they have to explain the “another protective” comment or die.

So I want them first.

[MathBlade]

How do you see the kills given Wolves killed FL?

You’re spouting a lot of theories but they’re wrong.

FL vig shoots Catboi.
Wolves/Mafia both no kill.

FL shoots Mastina.
One scum loses kill and other kills butterchurn

Mafia kill SCP
Wolves shoot FL.

Mechanical theory ^^

My opinion vv
I think you’re the wolf to do this thinking I told you to and you think I am mafia so you did it as a signal to try to “prove” loyalty. I see no reason given you won’t consider my world yet don’t want to elim me which reeks of poisoning the thread with bad ideas.

Because I'm not policy eliminating ideas.

Second, your theory on night two requires that FL not blocking mastina despite FL telegraphing his kill.

Third, your theory requires another role to exist on n2 to stop the possible mafia kill.

In your theory, there must be missing kills tonight from mafia for FL to be town? Agreed?

I don't get why you find it plausible that mafia ever shoot a monk over a mason.

Explain or die.

[MathBlade]

I kinda wanna pop to Nashville Dreams.

We aren't popcorning. I have made it clear we are an invest and want at least one of our targets to go first.

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

Don’t care
Don’t believe you

You can claim or die.

[MathBlade]

You’re the one who pushed for this so see it through to the end and claim. Or Cleric help me I will see you dead through demanding it every damn moment I can.

[MathBlade]

And no I believe wholeheartedly town you checks me with an invest based on how I was null to you.

You want others to claim first to escape accountability for your bad actions.

[MathBlade]

I kinda wanna pop to Nashville Dreams.

We aren't popcorning. I have made it clear we are an invest and want at least one of our targets to go first.

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

Don’t care
Don’t believe you

You can claim or die.

You're pretending you have more sway than you have

Also there's still no good reason to think Mafia had to use a kill last night

They don’t no kill three nights in a row. That’s damn near suicide.

No.

You’re scum you can die.

[MathBlade]

RCEnigma N1
Butterchurn N2

Completely viable

RC was FL vig

That would make only mafia kill butter
Not viable

[MathBlade]

You’re the one who pushed for this so see it through to the end and claim. Or Cleric help me I will see you dead through demanding it every damn moment I can.

I did push for your claim first because if you were right, it cleared FL. Your action has zero support for your claim.

If I claim first, then the target will lie if scum

Massclaim, if we do it, has an order.

~Titus

Yes.

I pick you and popcorn

That is an order

I get you don’t like it as scum.

Then if they lie they are pinned down.

I legit do not care.

You outed one of the best goddamn PRs because you didn’t want to listen

I do not trust you or Mala at all.

You can claim before anyone else unless FL and only FL says otherwise

[MathBlade]

That doesn't mean Mafia didn't shoot there
Makes more sense than them shooting a Monk lmao

I already explained why Mafia shot a monk

Wolves shot FL
Mafia shot a monk to cover up they thought I was scum and signaling to me

Explains Titus’s shift to me scum perfectly.

[MathBlade]

klick is just scum, I think SOD might be the safest elim b/c even if he flips town we effectively lose nothing while sliming the POE

No. I won't go there.

~Titus

Titus/Klick/TicTac let’s gooooo!

[MathBlade]

I have to drive home and have a Memorial Day bbq but I am thoroughly convinced this is Titus/Klick/TicTac wolf team.

TicTac or Titus should 100% claim first preferably Titus but if not TicTac then Titus.

Menalque can be a mafia.

[MathBlade]

I thought Menalque and I were partners

It’s possible I have the teams wrong but I doubt it

I really have to go but I would be okay nuking all those slots

[MathBlade]

Much more likely that wolves just shot SCP though lmao

It literally isn’t.

Okay: why did mafia shoot in the monkery, rather than the masonry?

Asked and answered
To be a signal as they thought I was scum telling them we’d take care of the FL problem when in reality I was baiting scum into shooting FL.

[MathBlade]

Either that or Koba’s reads were mafia.

[MathBlade]

8435 — As I have quoted several times please catch up. I can’t again phone is being weird.

And the wolves did as FL is alive.

Assuming wolves did not shoot FL requires either A) Multiple successful protectives other than me exist (which I doubt) or B) Scum no killed on N3 and N2 and N1? That’s too much a stretch.

As I said earlier I think Titus based on her shading me

But every world to avoid FL being shot by wolves requires even more no kills/protects.

It’s just bad.

[MathBlade]

like, 100% of the time I get called scum shooting partner scum, it's been from scum.

For that to have happened, you'd have to believe that 1) scum would have chosen to do this immediately after Enchant died. 2) Mastina and rest of scum team would have to be okay with it. 3) You'd have to believe that happened with the added likelihood of getting killed by other scum.

that doesn't happen.

Scum pushes scum killed partner scum in this scenario. Full stop.

To be fair I pushed that to sort the kills. I get it was scummy, but when you get to my full claim you’ll see why and got the reaction I was looking for to conf you. So now it’s 99% FL.

[MathBlade]

It is counter intuitive. But it’s what happened.

If I did a regular doctor on FL I would agree with you.

But I didn’t.

If mafia took the bait and wolves didn’t FL would be dead because I only healed wolf kill.
If both did FL would be dead because mafia did that kill.

The only way FL is not dead is if wolves shot him only or no one did.
Considering likely N1 scum both no kill wolves shooting FL is the most likely answer.

[MathBlade]

I literally have to guess what scum would do to be useful.

[MathBlade]

I will always go with what a moderator tells me (and what FL confirms by being alive) over a player theory.

Barring anyone else claiming to have healed N3 I don’t see any other way we are missing the kill.

It can be argued FL is scum but Occam’s razor is if FL was scum wolves wouldn’t see him as a threat right now as he has no power.

[MathBlade]

Yeah, still voting Cassowary.

We're a vanilla cop.
Confirmed SoD N1. They're vanilla.
Checked mastina n2 based on how mastina fake claimed.
Checked Cassowary n3. Not vanilla.

Also cassoway claim is bullshit btw. It's designed to be a claim to give nothing but a vague promise to be useful in the future. They've done less than SoD as well. Plus, Cassowary's claim is proven to be an utterfiction if Math's claim is I think.

I expect most of the remaining town slots to be vt based on power. SoD hardclaiming vanilla early doesn't seem to help scum though. If you still want SoD Nero, we'll talk about it. My stuff doesn't clear him but that's my stance.

I think it's FL Math or FL Cassoway for Mafia
One mason, Math/Cassowary, Plus one remainder as wolves

~Titus

You checked Mastina when you were town reading me, and I was vigging there?

Titus is probably scum true claiming her role. None of this is substantiated in fact.

Titus is arguing that all claimed protectives are scum despite missing a crap ton of kills.

FL (while I disagree) I can at least see the logic in.

Arguing scum no killed (even if I grant FL mafia) 4 times in 3 days is just no. If FL is town as I think he is then is then N1 both no kill, N2 cross kill on butters/no kill, N3 cross kill on SCP / no kill.

Like c’mon…This is Titus wanting to eliminate as many PRs as possible.

[MathBlade]

Either that or just a blatant rolecop who checked Cassoway and found backup cleric and hence the majority of people pushing on cass would be scum.

[MathBlade]

Yeah, still voting Cassowary.

We're a vanilla cop.
Confirmed SoD N1. They're vanilla.
Checked mastina n2 based on how mastina fake claimed.
Checked Cassowary n3. Not vanilla.

Also cassoway claim is bullshit btw. It's designed to be a claim to give nothing but a vague promise to be useful in the future. They've done less than SoD as well. Plus, Cassowary's claim is proven to be an utterfiction if Math's claim is I think.

I expect most of the remaining town slots to be vt based on power. SoD hardclaiming vanilla early doesn't seem to help scum though. If you still want SoD Nero, we'll talk about it. My stuff doesn't clear him but that's my stance.

I think it's FL Math or FL Cassoway for Mafia
One mason, Math/Cassowary, Plus one remainder as wolves

~Titus

You checked Mastina when you were town reading me, and I was vigging there?

Mala and I disagreed. Mala scumread. I townread because I figured mastina was a town PR lying about being a beloved princess. Goon did run across my mind. A Vanilla claim is a straight up guilty. Also, I assumed that mastina could be protected by scum or rebellious town, you could bluff or change your mind or be a lying scum given the nightkill state.

~Titus

I don’t buy this.

Town Titus doesn’t check a player that’s going to die due to vig.

[MathBlade]

I'm a monk the end

Wouldn’t Dragons come back not vanilla?

Monk is not a VT.

It’s confirmed by FL and another monk that dragons is not VT.

[MathBlade]

Oh I think you mean Ducks. Too many similar usernames.

I still think you’re scum for that Mastina check and Cassoway was N2

[MathBlade]

Oh I think you mean Ducks. Too many similar usernames.

I still think you’re scum for that Mastina check and Cassoway was N2

That makes zero sense. If your mysterious theory was true that we checked cassowary n2, why not vote them over Dunn? There was a wagon. Third, we could give another result then. Fourth, I hinted at the result earlier today before cass claimed.

Can you stop with this nonsense?

~Titus

Your buddies pushed for you. Cassoway was a wagon on D3. All scum on it is too sus.

Yes I would love it if you told the truth and who was your N2 check instead of Mastina and gave another result. You won’t though

[MathBlade]

Good night.

~Titus

Yes you must work with moderator info if you’re town

You don’t check people who are about to die if town.

You postulate things that are against what I know to be true I can’t bend on those

[MathBlade]

I have outed all my information

No other reasonable explanation exists for N3 no death.

Therefore wolves shot FL.

The more the game argues against this fact makes me more certain scum are doing it.

[MathBlade]

Titus labels my assumptions s ridiculous

I can read my role PM not ridiculous
I know what I submitted not ridiculous
Therefore since FL is alive Occam’s razor is FL was shot by wolves

Anything else is ridiculous

[MathBlade]

I have no interest in Cassowary btw I asked the mod and they’d inherit my cleric

Let’s not Yeet protectives since we haven’t elimmed a scum

FL Cass and myself are off limits go elsewhere

[MathBlade]

1) I submitted a cleric on FL last night.
2) There is a missing kill.
3) There is no other active protective claimed.
This means wolves likely shot FL or no killed.

Assume wolves no killed and I am incorrect.

We know RC kill cannot be wolf. It has to be FL’s kill.

Therefore if wolves killed on N1 then it was stopped.
On N2 we are looking at wolves no killing or killing butter.

In short I find it ridiculous for wolves to no kill when almost no kills are provably theirs.

You CAN argue FL scum as it’s mechanically possible, but given FL was likely shot by wolves it’s unlikely wolves think FL is scum which makes FL likely town.

[MathBlade]

Given N1 wolf likely no kill
N3 wolf was FL and fail

N2 is likely mafia or wolves shooting Mastina and the other shooting Butters. It depends on which theory you buy. I think if you want to buy FL as a mafia the better argument is wolves shot Mastina believing her town rather than intentional FL shot. Then butters is a mafia kill.

[MathBlade]

Assuming FL town
N1 FL vig shot both no kill
N2 FL vig mastina. Wolves shoot mastina. I get blocked by mastina. Mafia shoots butters.
N3 Mafia shoots SCP. Wolves shoot FL and fail

Mafia shoots in the monkery to give wolves less places to hide so attention focuses on wolves or mafia were wolf hunting.

[MathBlade]

I think no one believed FL was two shot vig.

[MathBlade]

Assuming FL scum
N1 mafia kill RC wolves no kill
N2 wolves shoot mastina. Mafia shoots butters.
N3 << logically impossible. Mafia can’t shoot a third time.

I can’t make FL scum work here.

[MathBlade]

Assuming FL scum
N1 mafia kill RC wolves no kill
N2 wolves shoot mastina. Mafia shoots butters.
N3 << logically impossible. Mafia can’t shoot a third time.

I can’t make FL scum work here.

N3 Werewolves shoot SCP

Not possible

There’s no way FL wasn’t a target here sorry

[MathBlade]

Still doesnt work because werewolves have no reason to shoot an outed vigi target

Already explained that above

[MathBlade]

Assuming FL town
N1 FL vig shot both no kill
N2 FL vig mastina. Wolves shoot mastina. I get blocked by mastina. Mafia shoots butters.
N3 Mafia shoots SCP. Wolves shoot FL and fail

Mafia shoots in the monkery to give wolves less places to hide so attention focuses on wolves or mafia were wolf hunting.

So under your theory, there can be no kills tonight correct

Yeah. There likely would be for one or more

[MathBlade]

If I am right, wolves and mafia have to no kill based on the rules
As N1 they would have no killed.

Then 2 and 3 they both killed
So then to avoid three nights with kills in a row they’d have to no kill

If there is a kill it’d out FL

[MathBlade]

It is easily possible since cleric protect wouldnt matter if there was only one kill last night

Also both scumteams have a kill tonight since we are in the second group of 3 nights

2-3-4 is a group of three nights with a kill. That doesn’t seem permissible in the rules

[MathBlade]

In order to increase the value of day play in multiball, this game has more scum but fewer nightkills than the first game. The faction sizes are 14:4:4:1, but each scumteam is only allowed to kill 2 nights out of each 3. If a team submits kills nights 1 and 2, they may not kill night 3, and so on.

Each three.

2,3,4 is a pairing of three. Means there must be a no kill in that group.

1,2,3 >> Must have an NK
2,3,4 >> must have an NK
3,4,5 >> Must have an NK

Scum NK on 1 then they have to NK on 4.
It becomes a pattern of threes if I read the rules correctly.

[MathBlade]

If not that is horribly unclear to a literalist like me and that sucks.

If it’s your interpretation then a no kill is not mandated and my prior answer is revised.

[MathBlade]

The problem is "each 3" can also be interpreted as each seperate group of 3 (123 456 789)

Yeah I will ask Cephrir which it is.

Silly literal me.

[MathBlade]

Running late for work but I think FL is town but if he is scum he’d be outed

I refuse to believe wolves no killed on N1 and N3 which is required for wolves to not shoot at FL N3

[MathBlade]

I understand the argument
N1 mafia shoot RC
N2 mafia shoot butters wolves shoot mastina (this makes more sense in FL lying world and he would say he was two shot to try to eat a bullet and wolves have no interest to correct this)
N3 wolves shoot SCP

If I was arguing FL scum that’s the only way it works

I don’t believe it and it’s more more likely to me wolves shot FL as it requires really low power shots

[MathBlade]

Mastina blocks me on N2 in that world

That world is the one to pitch if FL is scum.

I just don’t buy it and I don’t see wolves leaving a capable player like FL around

[MathBlade]

I agree FL wouldn’t shoot mastina here as scum.

[MathBlade]

In short Titus we are in one of two worlds
N1 FL/mafia kill RC
N2 Wolves kill Mastina mafia kills butters And FL if town shoots Mastina
N3 Mafia/wolves shoot SCP depending upon whether FL is town or not

Mafia can’t kill three nights in a row
If mafia no kill N1 FL is vig
If mafia no kill N2 FL is vig
If it’s N3 then wolves shot SCP

Wolves then would have to no kill N1 and kill Mastina N2 and SCP N3 in that world.

[MathBlade]

I just don’t think wolves don’t shoot FL given how townread FL was yesterday.

[MathBlade]

I also have a hard time beliving a full cleric can exist ever with limited night kills

I have to guess mafia or wolf and who they kill

And I might not be sharing all my Joat.

I claim just enough to be understood.

[MathBlade]

If I say any restrictions I have scum can navigate freely.

So if you don’t believe me just elim me and cass becomes the cleric

Otherwise stop shading me

[MathBlade]

That doesn't justify a full cleric given the full cleric is likely hypothetically active after bookie likely dead or used

Then elim me. I am tired of your bullshit.

[MathBlade]

I think I might have talked myself into an FL elim being okay though

I think he’s town but it would explain too much of the night kills and FL is out of shots so at worst it’s a VT elim.

[MathBlade]

That doesn't justify a full cleric given the full cleric is likely hypothetically active after bookie likely dead or used

Then elim me. I am tired of your bullshit.

I'm not saying you must be scum or lying to say cass doesn't fit.

They do. The end move on.

[MathBlade]

In theory the cleric can be gated

Cass claimed no gate other than Math dying.

Meg is saying I am gated which I won’t confirm or deny

[MathBlade]

Well ok. That's an important thing Meg said.

Your claim isn't the problem Math. It's Cass being a full claim.

It’s not.

I can’t explain without outing my gate.

Trust me when if anything Cass is almost VT.

[MathBlade]

Just you’ve seen it recently.

I kinda think we elim FL to explain kills even though I think he is town.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: FL

[MathBlade]

Just kill who you think is scum.

I think your elim is best for town

If you are town then that breaks open the night kills.

If you are scum then that breaks open the night kills (and in this world wolves always shoot mastina here and mafia shoots butters)

[MathBlade]

Well ok. That's an important thing Meg said.

Your claim isn't the problem Math. It's Cass being a full claim.

It’s not.

I can’t explain without outing my gate.

Trust me when if anything Cass is almost VT.

We're in a full massclaim. That's full. The only thing that would make Cass delayed through your role is you claiming bp which makes another protective less likely.

~Titus

Yes I have claimed all roles and omitted all gates.

I see no benefit in claiming the gate.

I do not and will not sorry.

[MathBlade]

Also, I’m kinda tired of getting BOP’d by Mathblade every single game.

Like play outside of me.

Like the last 3-4 games you’ve played with me, are relating back to me.

Just move past me.

I am not BoPing you though.

I am saying we need to sort the kills.

If we know if you’re a vig or not that solves things definitively.

[MathBlade]

Well ok. That's an important thing Meg said.

Your claim isn't the problem Math. It's Cass being a full claim.

It’s not.

I can’t explain without outing my gate.

Trust me when if anything Cass is almost VT.

We're in a full massclaim. That's full. The only thing that would make Cass delayed through your role is you claiming bp which makes another protective less likely.

~Titus

Yes I have claimed all roles and omitted all gates.

I see no benefit in claiming the gate.

I do not and will not sorry.

Can you stop being obstinate?

Nope.

[MathBlade]

Just kill who you think is scum.

I think your elim is best for town

If you are town then that breaks open the night kills.

If you are scum then that breaks open the night kills (and in this world wolves always shoot mastina here and mafia shoots butters)

The elim of the person who has caught the most scum, and will likely to continue catching more is “best for town”?

Yeah, get out of here.

This is on a mech level, which is just inferior.

So you’re wrong

Social deduction > Mech.

Mech = always true
Social deduction can be flawed

[MathBlade]

FL shouldnt be limmed
Period. end of

Why not?

I think he’s a vig but I think what we gain
Locking imho scum!Titus into a world where she can’t spew bullshit anymore is ideal.
If I am wrong she’s right and then probably town and I was right yesterday and got caught up in fancy play.

FL has no more shots left if town so it’s certainly no risk.

[MathBlade]

Because the only world where FL is scum Werewolves HAVE to shoot them themself to be rid of them then.
Lets send the scum instead of the townie

No they don’t? Explain please.

[MathBlade]

Yeah, no, Mathblade is actively trying to twist this and came into this game trying to make sure I don’t become Conf town because it forces scum to have to kill me.

The fact they did this switch after I brought up pushing TicTac again is scummy timing

That makes zero sense.

I was arguing TicTac scum and you conf town earlier.

However through discussions I realized one world where that wasn’t possible.

I analyzed the situation and realized that if I am wrong a very narrow situation has to be true.

You’re welcome to elim me if you want but I still think you’re the best elim.

[MathBlade]

they claimed GS either day or night one, i forget
They claimed targetting you begore MM claimed their result

Yep. I think MonkeyMan/TicTac took that information to try to push a guilty on me.

It also makes sense how the gamestate was going “there can easily be two gunsmiths!”

But when we talked about there being 2 Hirsutes gamestate didn’t think it was likely.

That means scum wants that to be the general mindset.

TicTac/Monkey are wolfs.

I don’t think there can be two gunsmiths and you’ll see why with my flip

Scum always shoot me here but I think the info gained here if I die is of no loss.

It will confirm Cass town and Klick scum so I won’t defend myself

I think FL is the better elim as it says which group did which kill.

[MathBlade]

Titus remember in the recent scum game you were in Gamma was UB right. Think.

[MathBlade]

Put that together and you’ll understand Cass is town and why I don’t want to out my gate(s) if any.

[MathBlade]

You’re not mech towncleared though

That’s my point

I thought you were but you aren’t.

[MathBlade]

And yes Monkey did. I might have done the same thing as this PR to get off more checks. I don’t fault him for lying there.

[MathBlade]

Like if I thought you were conf town I wouldn’t be arguing this at all

But the best case for you being cleared is scum have to kill you which is true of anyone we don’t elim by definition

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You’re not mech towncleared though

That’s my point

I thought you were but you aren’t.

No, i am 100%.

The only possible way I am not is if I killed my own scum partner, which I barely even want to dignify that as a response.

Incorrect

Mafia shoot butters
Wolves shot mastina

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You’re not mech towncleared though

That’s my point

I thought you were but you aren’t.

No, i am 100%.

The only possible way I am not is if I killed my own scum partner, which I barely even want to dignify that as a response.

Incorrect

Mafia shoot butters
Wolves shot mastina

Yep, this is wrong. Wolves would never shoot Mastina during the night.



Thanks for slipping up on your mech reasonings.

And why not?

You claimed a vig Mastina didn’t believe
Wolves could have easily checked Mastina N1 with some kind of invest found her powerful and shot her N2

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Mathblade just outed themselves as intentionally trying to setup the mech pathway with that one.

Wolves would not know my alignment, and had no reason to doubt me being a vig. They knew I was since I shot Catboi.

I had been hard claiming I’d shoot Mastina.

Wolves don’t shoot there.

Hook line and sinkered.

I think they do actually in a scum you world.

Like I said you’re welcome to elim me any time

My flip confirms Klick scum and cass town

You’re acting like this is a big “gotcha” without even voting me.

Don’t you get it? If I die then it’s protown, then everyone sees my points

You die tomorrow and we sort out three nights of kills.

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I mean what’s the alternative: let me live and I get another check or heal off? Scum don’t want that.

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Cass is conf town

Stop it

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So yes FL/Titus/Klick/TicTac whoever is scum in that group can succeed in miselimming me sure

But then they lose the war on my flip.

So no I won’t out my gate I won’t do as you ask

Cass is conf town based on claim. Y’all can pick elsewhere

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Cass is conf town

Stop it

How
Even if the acolyte claim is true that doesnt make them town

My gate balances things tremendously and backups inherit gates.

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Cass is conf town

Stop it

What mech says that

My role PM + gate + Cass’s claim.

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Role assignment is random and it makes sense for either scum alignment

Yes I agree

Cass is still town move on

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I have zero desire to fight with you or defend myself.

I am playing strategically if you succeed in elimming me then I flip town, Klick becomes conf scum and Cass conf town. Where you could be scum and the kills laid out how I said becomes clear. FL dies and we learn exactly how top three kills played out.

So if you want to win the battle go right ahead.

But then scum lose the war.

I have work to do.

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Role assignment is random and it makes sense for either scum alignment

Yes I agree

Cass is still town move on

Dont say they are confirmed town based off of claim then and actually give me why you townread

Cass is conf town because mech move on

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So yes FL/Titus/Klick/TicTac whoever is scum in that group can succeed in miselimming me sure

But then they lose the war on my flip.

So no I won’t out my gate I won’t do as you ask

Cass is conf town based on claim. Y’all can pick elsewhere

If you say scum lose the war on your flip, makes me want to fade you more.

We’ll catch scum with your flip, right?

Then that makes YOU the best mech fade.

Then do it already I gotta go.

You are the best fade and if you succeed you prove yourself scum and kills are exactly

N1 mafia shoots RC
N2 mafia shoots butters wolves shoot mastina
N3 mafia no kills wolves shoot SCP

So I mean if you want your own funeral go for it

Then Klick dies as wolf.

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Role assignment is random and it makes sense for either scum alignment

Yes I agree

Cass is still town move on

Dont say they are confirmed town based off of claim then and actually give me why you townread

Cass is conf town because mech move on

You literally said you agreed with my reasoning of why this isnt the case

Both are true

Role assignment is random and Cass is conf town by mech

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I have zero desire to fight with you or defend myself.

I am playing strategically if you succeed in elimming me then I flip town, Klick becomes conf scum and Cass conf town. Where you could be scum and the kills laid out how I said becomes clear. FL dies and we learn exactly how top three kills played out.

So if you want to win the battle go right ahead.

But then scum lose the war.

I have work to do.

So i win the battle and scum would lose the war?

That sounds like the best course of action tbh

Yes scum you loses the war

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Then how are they mech cleared?

Can’t say without outing my gate but I gave enough to Titus for her to figure it out

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Considering Titus is still pushing Cass FL Titus and Klick are probably all scum.

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:/
Im not finding the majority of your logic sound so if you wont present your reason im not treating cass as mech cleared


Also i am voting cass ND

Like I don’t get how Titus and Fl can take what is so goddamn simple and make it so goddamn complicated that this is so infuriating,

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:/
Im not finding the majority of your logic sound so if you wont present your reason im not treating cass as mech cleared


Also i am voting cass ND

Like I don’t get how Titus and Fl can take what is so goddamn simple and make it so goddamn complicated that this is so infuriating,

Your mech is poor because of your conclusion.

I am not a best fade because me being alive is far superior to knowing 100% what scum killed.

Incorrect

You being scum = good if you’re dead
You being town = Kinda bad but you’re VT and you’re arguing against Occam’s razor

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That argument is also you trying to say “FL you should see how simple it is and accept you’re the best fade” when from my POV, it seems you’ve been actively trying to tear me down from being Conf town trying to say I shot my own scum partner.

What is so simple about that?

This is why Mathblade is twisting it around

Ffs I am saying scum you shot butters

Quit lying

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If wolves didn’t shoot Mastina you’d have used it for distancing from her.

I am of the opinion scum you didn’t expect Mastina to die which is why you had Mastina block me.

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That argument is also you trying to say “FL you should see how simple it is and accept you’re the best fade” when from my POV, it seems you’ve been actively trying to tear me down from being Conf town trying to say I shot my own scum partner.

What is so simple about that?

This is why Mathblade is twisting it around

Ffs I am saying scum you shot butters

Quit lying

Why would I shoot Butters? They were defending me since Day 1

Null kill? Thought they were a PR? I can’t answer as it was 312 when I replaced in and I legit haven’t read anything except what has been cited.

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If wolves didn’t shoot Mastina you’d have used it for distancing from her.

I am of the opinion scum you didn’t expect Mastina to die which is why you had Mastina block me.

Frankly, let's move on from mech. We're posting too much on it but unlikely to persuade.

~Titus

I am incapable of doing so.

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You’re the one twisting things

You can’t think both Mastina didn’t believe you and wolves did
The most likely scenario is either Mastina believed you and wolves did and thus you shot scum
Or Mastina did not believe you and wolves didn’t believe you and wolves shot Mastina

You’re twisting things to suit your own beliefs

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Yeah, I’m 100% not a VT. Idk where that’s coming from.

I have the weight of the hunting of Catboi and Mastina behind me with the confirmed Monk and Vig claim. That is not VT.

Except if you’re scum that’s not true

You’d have caught RC/Catboi whose Slank meta is easy and Mastina would be your buddy

You have no powers left which makes you vanilla

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Mastina likely didn’t believe you and blocked me

Which means you are scum.

There’s no reason Mastina doesn’t block town you

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And if there is wolves then use that reason to shoot you.

Either way you’re scum

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To shoot mastina*

The fact you’re not dead is sus as HELL unless you believe wolves shot you N3 which would result in you TRing me

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Why does mafia shoot Koba over FL?

Answer FL is scum

Why does Titus hard defend FL answer Titus is scum

Why do both not do Klick hard answer Klick is scum

Why do both go after Cass after knowing me flipping proves Cass town? Answer they are scum.

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Mastina likely didn’t believe you and blocked me

Which means you are scum.

There’s no reason Mastina doesn’t block town you

She could have used Night 1.

We already talked about this.

If Mastina used roleblock N1 then you’d be in lock scum Klick world for being ascetic

Try again

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FL just doesn’t have a consistent world view here.

He’s just trying to survive and if he paints me as unreasonable then no one listens to me

So that’s exactly his gameplan

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FL just doesn’t have a consistent world view here.

He’s just trying to survive and if he paints me as unreasonable then no one listens to me

So that’s exactly his gameplan

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There’s four possibilities

Mastina believed you and had a block left >> You’re blocked. Klick is ascetic.
Mastina didn’t believe you and had a block left >> blocks me (or someone who can’t tell) Klick is possibly (yet unlikely) town
Mastina believed you no block left >> Klick is asectic.
Mastina didn’t believe you no block left >> Klick is ascetic.

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Math seems to be tying himself into knots a bit trying to construct a scenario where FL

could still possibly

be mafia, but seems to be kind of forgetting FL could just be town

It's an odd rapid switch immediately after Cephrir's correction on the rules. Almost like he couldn't frame him.

~Titus

???

I was coming around to FL scum before the clarification, the rules clarification sealed it

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So for FL to believe that Mastina didn’t have a block left means that Klick should be in his hard scumreads

Instead it’s me.

It’s because I am the threat

He was lurk sacky (for FL standards) until I pushed him and then he pops up.

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There’s four possibilities

Mastina believed you and had a block left >> You’re blocked. Klick is ascetic.
Mastina didn’t believe you and had a block left >> blocks me (or someone who can’t tell) Klick is possibly (yet unlikely) town
Mastina believed you no block left >> Klick is asectic.
Mastina didn’t believe you no block left >> Klick is ascetic.

Which world is it FL? Then we can apply it to the NKs and actions.

Go through all four and see how absolutely ridiculous your current stance is.

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Spoiler: Sole Concern with Flavor from his guide

I can’t defend Votato anymore or I’m going to go down as well, and it’s clear that if he doesn’t have anyone to defend him, he’s going down, so to position both Mastina and Myself, I claim a guilty on Votato. With Votato not having any night abilities left, and the clout that Mastina gains on his flip combo’d with him not being able to survive without Teammate Defense, Votato’s death does more for the team than him staying alive ever would. He flips Red this day, and the overall Game Narrative evolves. We have successfully established two strong pieces of Game Fiction, or Gamefic.

You can check that game, though, and see Mastina and I barely talked to each other. You can check Mastina and I throughout the history, and see we generally don’t talk to each other at all besides talking about each other when reading in the small samples size of games we are in with each other.

But yeah, i could probably see a few possible game fic lines that could be theorized this game

I’m fine overall with the possibility being thrown around, but when it gets pushed as like an Occam’s razor/best fade/mech, nah.

So Titus + FL scum together wrong PT?

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Oh nope that’s a site breaking quote boxes lmao.

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There’s four possibilities

Mastina believed you and had a block left >> You’re blocked. Klick is ascetic.
Mastina didn’t believe you and had a block left >> blocks me (or someone who can’t tell) Klick is possibly (yet unlikely) town
Mastina believed you no block left >> Klick is asectic.
Mastina didn’t believe you no block left >> Klick is ascetic.

Which possibility do you think Titus?

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Please stop talking mech. You aren't going to convince to convince each other that you're scum.

~Titus

I am not asking to convince anyone

I am asking to sort you.

Which world do you think we are in, assuming I am have a no result occultist check on Klick? (You’re free to assume I am scum with it for the purposes of this)

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Then from there I can see where you’re failing Occam’s razor and if you’re doing so in a town way or a scum way because I believe the latter but I am trying for the former

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There’s four possibilities

Mastina believed you and had a block left >> You’re blocked. Klick is ascetic.
Mastina didn’t believe you and had a block left >> blocks me (or someone who can’t tell) Klick is possibly (yet unlikely) town
Mastina believed you no block left >> Klick is asectic.
Mastina didn’t believe you no block left >> Klick is ascetic.

Which possibility do you think Titus?

I believe we should sort that by play not mech.

~Titus

Do you think Mastina believed FL’s claim? This is a social/play question.

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I find it odd that you want to have mech arguments Cass is scum (and that’s the only thing I have seen resembling an argument)
Yet NOW when I am asking a social question to you and FL and play on your rules you both shut up.

This is blatantly scum.

You don’t want to be locked to a world

FL has said on record that Mastina didn’t believe him. Then the natural answer of wolves didn’t believe him naturally follows.

So I ask again Titus, do you think Mastina believed FL’s claim?