i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Gamma Emerald]

Ehh MT I think you took a step backwards with your vote, I'm pretty sure that KT wasn't intending to shade my slot there and that your random vote on Gamma was actually on scum. KT has opened this way toward my slot as town before:

viewtopic.php?p=13516511#p13516511

Also, the answer to your question toward Gamma is that she isn't trying to sort my slot and the vote was made because we've been in this situation several times before and they just react this way when I call them out as scum.

Gamma is definitely more methodical if I push them on accident when we're both town.

What does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

I voted GeorgeBailey in 2019 I mean 2022

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

oh like I have something in my role that interferers with investigative roles so don't target me with those please

I don’t think I vibe with this btw

[Morning Tweet]

Why would it be?

Because you're biased. Town incorrectly OMGUSes people who scumread them probably more often than any other type of read imo.

In my opinion you haven't shown why scum!Frog votes you, other than because "he thinks he can't go toe-to-toe" with you. Which I think is super fallible reasoning, yeah. I find it suspicious that you think that Frog not trying hard enough to debate with you is sufficient evidence to condemn Frog.

Basically, I think basing a read solely off of the way a slot is reading you is very error prone.

I will admit I think your 146 felt premature as well, so that also colours my view. Premature in the sense that it felt disingenuous -- like it's too early to be getting exasperated enough to drop hints like that, and it seems more likely you'd make a post like that to reduce pressure off of yourself.

Well here’s the thing: the last several town games I’ve had, I’ve been subjected to numerous shitpushes, some of which have caused toxic reactions. So atp it’s kinda vibing that people are willing to fuck around with me until I either lay down and die or blow a fuse. It’s honestly appalling in a sense that I’m being treated this way.

I don't get the impression you're being poked at or shitpushed. But I don't really see a meaningful way to argue with how you feel, I suppose.

[Frogsterking]

Lol

How good are you at feigning full solving the game as scum, as well as exerting control over it?

Frog describing himself as gloating and solved from his point of view, and so on is kinda my impression of town!Frog. He's one of those players that has a read on everyone. But I don't know how well Frog emulates this sort of excitement for solving as scum

Not really, no. I just completed a scum game recently:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89984&user_select[]=16233

Most of what I provide as scum is in the scum chat I think. For thread control in the past I focused on tinfoiling, bloating the thread with dumb discussions and then lurking out once I draw too much heat. I find it a bit overwhelming to actually attempt to imitate my town game as scum.

[Ythan]

So rather than the content of the actual votes, you were more referring to how you felt about the wagonmates themselves? It still comes across like you agreed with both of their respective reasonings but maybe I just misunderstand.

That makes sense. I meant to say they're believable perspectives but I chose bad wording.

[Save The Dragons]

I think both gamma and frog are town

[Save The Dragons]

I think Mt is town

[Gamma Emerald]

I think both gamma and frog are town

[Save The Dragons]

Prove me wrong

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I agree. Save the dragons can be town

[Save The Dragons]

I dunno if csf is town tho

[Frogsterking]

I dunno if csf is town tho

Me neither

I think both gamma and frog are town

Prove me wrong

I will

Using reason will not usually help you correctly determine frog's alignment ime

'Bruh'..

on that note actually, i'd like to hear frog's response to princess's arguments in there.

My eyes glazed over while reading them. It's definitely similar to how I've seen wrongly accused town behave but I want to see if they actually do anything after I give them space or if it's just an act to get people to townread them. I don't think they've actually said anything which is AI for town yet.

[Frogsterking]

What about the other like three games where you used reasoning to correctly deduce my alignment?

[Gamma Emerald]

Prove me wrong

rn I’m fine letting flips do that for me

Btw I’m traveling to relatives for Christmas and we’re going thru the boonies rn so don’t expect prompt/frequent response

[Save The Dragons]

Both of you sucked at convincing me

[Quiet Owl]

i do NOT like the look of cat scratch fever. post 85 reminds me of me when i'm playing scum, false bravado to try and look towny.

frog's initial post is weird and wishywashy but i don't think he's working with cat scratch. looks more like town gambling on being able to expose scum by doing something silly.

my theories at the moment:
- frog is town, cat scratch is scum
- this is a multiball setup, and they're both scum

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[Frogsterking]

Both of you sucked at convincing me

That's a good sign for your alignment because whenever I catch scum D1 there is always at least one townie who goes "PRETTY MEH CASE IF YOU ASK ME"

PEdit

I think Quiet Owl might be town

[Frogsterking]

Both of you sucked at convincing me

That's a good sign for your alignment because whenever I catch scum D1 there is always at least one townie who goes "PRETTY MEH CASE IF YOU ASK ME"

PEdit

I think Quiet Owl might be town

Also I haven't posted my case on Gamma yet, so I still have a chance.

[Save The Dragons]

PRETTY MEH CASE IF YOU ASK ME

[Frogsterking]

PRETTY MEH CASE IF YOU ASK ME

Have you and GeorgeBailey played a lot together?

[Save The Dragons]

I think we've played more survivor together than mafia

[Frogsterking]

I think we've played more survivor together than mafia

Is there like some rivalry which might cause you to switch up your game here?

I was asking because of 165. I was wondering if you were playing scum in some way George has seen before, because you aren't playing in a way I've seen before but you've also been playing for a long time.

[Frogsterking]

frogster y r those votes scummy.

The McMennon vote is basically a naked vote and the Yrhan and Gamma votes are poorly explained reactions to my FoS on them. I think voting a player who suspects you and providing some made up reasoning is pretty common level 0 scum play.

[HighPrincessErinys]

oh like I have something in my role that interferers with investigative roles so don't target me with those please

Interested in this little out(?). Want to say it feels towny to go "hey investigatives don't waste an action" but that's easily something scum could do too as a bluff, especially when this entire setup is one giant question mark in terms of mechanics. This one will be keeping an eye on you.

Which one do you think it is?

It's fairly meta for town to claim miller immediately, and I think there's a high probability of negative town utility in a big setup like this. I'm erring on the side of trusting at this stage

Hard to say for certain, especially when there's almost certainly neg util like you said. It's more something to keep in mind rn than anything.

idk about Frogster, backing out on tris so fast might be scum theatre but I can't say I scumread him otherwise.

Oh come off it, assuming tris is town, then as scum I had a fantastic opportunity to bloat the thread with useless, horrible drama by dragging out a fight with tris over whether or not asking questions is AI for them.

Lol

How good are you at feigning full solving the game as scum, as well as exerting control over it?

Frog describing himself as gloating and solved from his point of view, and so on is kinda my impression of town!Frog. He's one of those players that has a read on everyone. But I don't know how well Frog emulates this sort of excitement for solving as scum

Not really, no. I just completed a scum game recently:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89984&user_select[]=16233

Most of what I provide as scum is in the scum chat I think. For thread control in the past I focused on tinfoiling, bloating the thread with dumb discussions and then lurking out once I draw too much heat. I find it a bit overwhelming to actually attempt to imitate my town game as scum.

Realistic chance this is a brand of meta manipualtion. "No look guys THIS is how I play as scum. Therefore, I am NOT scum.". This one doesn't care for meta analysis but it just thought this was worth pointing out. Detailing ways you would've/could've did things as scum but didn't feels itself a smidge scummy in an abstract sense.

[Save The Dragons]

I think we've played more survivor together than mafia

Is there like some rivalry which might cause you to switch up your game here?

I was asking because of 165. I was wondering if you were playing scum in some way George has seen before, because you aren't playing in a way I've seen before but you've also been playing for a long time.

No I got no clue why he called me out like that