Mini Normal 2314 - The Mafia Have a Cop [END]

[Flavor Leaf]

my mental break from this game paid off and let me see things from the outside.

[Flavor Leaf]

lol ya, gamma scum for sure

[Flavor Leaf]

go for it.

im vanilla and obv af disinterested town

[Flavor Leaf]

if Hu tao is town, Gamma's play does look kinda warlocky trying to get Hu Tao to push townies.

This does not look real. You realize I actually tried to workshop a treaty with Hu Tao? I don’t see how you look at me and my Hu Tao progression and call it warlocking.

Yep. This is scum Gamma.

I'm probably not wording it correctly at all, and there really isn't a major case, and maybe it isn't warlocking.

But your dynamic with Tu Tao is ScumGamma.

"This does not look real." is where you go with this. Why would I push something that isn't real like that? Even as scum, I like to steep in stuff like that, so I wouldn't push it if I couldn't warrant it as scum. This is a discredit tactic, exactly what you gotta do here.

There is a 0% chance you actually believe I never do this as town. DIE.

i mean it's day 1, it's not that i never believe you do,

i think you're the best chance of flipping scum. I would say around 65% here, and that's killer for Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

you're now also trying to twist it.

why dont you vote me Gamma if you think im scum

[Flavor Leaf]

if Hu tao is town, Gamma's play does look kinda warlocky trying to get Hu Tao to push townies.

This does not look real. You realize I actually tried to workshop a treaty with Hu Tao? I don’t see how you look at me and my Hu Tao progression and call it warlocking.

Yep. This is scum Gamma.

I'm probably not wording it correctly at all, and there really isn't a major case, and maybe it isn't warlocking.

But your dynamic with Tu Tao is ScumGamma.

"This does not look real." is where you go with this. Why would I push something that isn't real like that? Even as scum, I like to steep in stuff like that, so I wouldn't push it if I couldn't warrant it as scum. This is a discredit tactic, exactly what you gotta do here.

There is a 0% chance you actually believe I never do this as town. DIE.

here's the thing, never said you never do this as town.

the fact you turn to insta kill is incredibly damning for you because it shows you have absolutely no defense. it feels like you know i caught you, and probably Marci, and you have no choice but to come after me here.


And, from your side, if you wanna get into readability, you would know that I'm MORE likely to do this against you as town than I am as scum, you're just choosing to flip it.

It makes absolutely zero sense for me to defend Dannflorr here as scum.

This was another trap.

I am doing the EXACT same thing that Hu Tao did with Bulge with Dannfloor, and you town read Hu Tao for the same reason which proves you're reads are political and fake.

[Flavor Leaf]

your*

[Flavor Leaf]

marci could be town, i dont wanna pre associate too hard with that. i could see one of the earlier ones on Dann wagon as scum with Gamma + 1 on Hu Tao wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s nuance in how Hu acted that makes me feel differently.

convenient

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma just knows I caught them here lol

[Flavor Leaf]

really did come out of nowhere, even for me. i didnt expect to pull that trigger here. i half dont even care if dann gets faded today.

they will flip town, scum's driving that wagon, but going forward is good. And now scum have to completely reorganize.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah im down for last minute counter wagon on gamma or drew (which im already on so wouldn't be me switching but w/e)

yeah, let's go gamma, if only to see what the rest of the crew does in response.

VOTE: Gamma

I dont really want Hu Tao dead anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

vote me back Gamma

[Flavor Leaf]

If you promise me to vote out Flavor Leaf tomorrow I will self-vote

this is just Flavor shading, they don't think I'm scum here at all, but they're trying to turn it into a scum read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma just knows I caught them here lol

No, I know you are pulling things out of your ass.

best way to play Day 1. feels like scum who got caught for what they think is bad reasoning.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you promise me to vote out Flavor Leaf tomorrow I will self-vote

this is just Flavor shading, they don't think I'm scum here at all, but they're trying to turn it into a scum read.

I swear to god if you people let Flavor weasel his his out of miselimming me there will be problems

this is just projecting.

why would i be faded for pushing you here on Day 1?

you're trying to act like I'm doing some weaseling or whatever, but this is just a blanket defense.

And, you jumped straight to scum, but you aren't even saying why, because you expected me to think that it would never be 0% you being like this as town, which is something I never said, but you refuse to flip and see why this is obviously coming from a town me.

Which is something you can't admit to because it weakens your defense and gives credit to me catching out scum you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't want gamma anymore. I don't see them trying to reason with me when I was on E-2 if they were scum. What is the benefit?

where?

this also makes sense. they worked to pocket you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't want gamma anymore. I don't see them trying to reason with me when I was on E-2 if they were scum. What is the benefit?

are you implying scum would want you dead? because if i were scum in gamma's position in regards to you, i would go out of my way to keep you around a few days.

You're in the middle of a pocket play, Hu.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's been clear for me that scum want Doctor Drew or a Dannflorr wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you promise me to vote out Flavor Leaf tomorrow I will self-vote

this is just Flavor shading, they don't think I'm scum here at all, but they're trying to turn it into a scum read.

I swear to god if you people let Flavor weasel his his out of miselimming me there will be problems

this is just projecting.

why would i be faded for pushing you here on Day 1?

you're trying to act like I'm doing some weaseling or whatever, but this is just a blanket defense.

And, you jumped straight to scum, but you aren't even saying why, because you expected me to think that it would never be 0% you being like this as town, which is something I never said, but you refuse to flip and see why this is obviously coming from a town me.

Which is something you can't admit to because it weakens your defense and gives credit to me catching out scum you.

You would be faded because I know you and I would hope everyone else would recognize that. You should know that I would call something unreal as town more than anyone at this table.

UNreal is not the same as Not Real in that sense.

You were pushing my read on you as Not Real, ie Fake. You weren't pushing it as Unreal, like ridiculous.

[Flavor Leaf]

You're using that line for AtE and LAMISTy.

Because going me if you flip implies you're expecting to flip today + you think this is coming from scumMe, which I highly doubt you can even act like that's the case here.

so at the end of the day, it's purely a blanket defense by you to discredit it early.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see them as interchangeable

i see you as changing your meaning to better your defense.

because the posts after you said it imply it was my reasoning of Not Real you were using, not yours.

[Flavor Leaf]

hu tao why does it feel like you are scum reading me for the same reasons you scum read me in the mini normal that just ended

That’s really the problem I’ve been having here

Yeah I wanted to say. I've been wrong on you before, and thats a fair take. Which is why I was sort of townreading you in the beginning this game. But I think you're playing differently this game than that last game.

This comment raises Dann’s scum equity imo because it means Hu sees the same graph of Dann’s play
Or at the very least, it boosts my confidence in Hu!town to a point where I am no longer willing to let that vote happen today

this is just scum who's warlocking HuTao and it throws blame on Hu Tao over Gamma once Dann flips town.

[Flavor Leaf]

and then if Hu tao did eventually go down after, then Gamma looks like a hero for having town read Hu tao and people move on from the Dann one.

[Flavor Leaf]

dannflor is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

im not a fan of the talk of 'marci probably town' because it reinforces the idea of a 'soft clear' possibly being a 'eh, most likely clear'.

so imo, marci is either scum or not, and we find that out as the game goes on.

i think it's best to say that marci is probably town for today for *reasons*

i think it's best to say that marci is probably town for today for *reasons*

And if we are unclaimed, I will fight it.

Because this is how I won a scum game by pushing against a pair of Masons.

Dont reinforce the gamestate.

If there's a way to confirm it for 'reasons' later, just let those reasons come later.

Just feels like you're helping flag it and protect it and reinforce the narrative ahead of time.

this is after I had posts like this at Dannflor, and I even claimed to punish them cuz I was annoyed earlier.

By all means, scum would have expected me on Dannflor here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see the writing on the wall because it’s happened a whole fucking lot on this site that I’ve gotten voted out on this site for awful reasons. I am trying to make sure you go next because I wouldn’t expect you to go straight to suspecting me for calling something not a legitimate thought process unless you were trying to pull something. There’s also some urgency that drives me to try to lock you into going down with me.

it would be smoother if i were scum pulling something tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Though I would argue that if Gamma is scum, which I was leaning towards already, I think Hu is the traitor....not town.

oh yeah, Hu is still a possible scumspect with it for me, but if they are town, theyre in a pocket play.

I dont think it would be Hu Tao/Gamma/Marci, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

i guess it could be.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see them as interchangeable

i see you as changing your meaning to better your defense.

because the posts after you said it imply it was my reasoning of Not Real you were using, not yours.

Here, I’ll do it again.
This is not a real thought process.

yeah, it's unreal you're trying to act like they aren't different in context

[Flavor Leaf]

@Nono/Geraint - Can you unvote Dannfloor? I think there's enough evidence that shows Dannfloor is town based on the way wagons have gone and the fact that scum obv wanted danflor wagon to go through here.

[Flavor Leaf]

How come when I ask to unvote the E1 it's suspicious but when flavor does it, it is okay?

cuz i got better ways as scum to get people to unvote than asking them

[Flavor Leaf]

I see them as interchangeable

i see you as changing your meaning to better your defense.

because the posts after you said it imply it was my reasoning of Not Real you were using, not yours.

Here, I’ll do it again.
This is not a real thought process.

yeah, it's unreal you're trying to act like they aren't different in context

I’ll keep trying to rephrase it until I run out of ideas or you get the picture, and if you haven’t gotten it by the time I am done there’s no way you’re genuinely sorting me.

you're also acting like you aren't on Dannfloor here, who is obviously gonna flip town.

And then you refuse to look at that situation and then go "oh my how can someone ever think i could be scum here?!?! no way thats genuine! im the 5th vote on a likely town misfade, how can they think im scum?!"

[Flavor Leaf]

dann has become obv af town with this wagon composition, and they're just ignoring it acting like they 100% correct here

they arent looking for scum, they looking for a misfade and Gamma's upset they aren't getting it.

Hu tao could be lost, im open for debate on that. not theyre fault if theyre town, theyre in a gamma genjutsu

[Flavor Leaf]

the fact that it's Drew, Fire, and I melding onto it feels good. it doesnt make sense imo for multiple scum to defend dannflor when theyre this close to a fade, like why wouldnt they want dannflor misfade here? it would make a town Gamma/Hu tao look terrible at this point.

It implies scum are already on Dann wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is my last attempt to make myself clear
You feel extremely disingenuous, Flavor Leaf.

and that should be the #1 thing that shows I'm town to you, and you know that

[Flavor Leaf]

fade Gamma, investigate Hu Tao.

[Flavor Leaf]

you're trying to misfade dann it looks like.

i see that for sure.

[Flavor Leaf]

if you can't see im trying to protect obv af town dann, you just aren't trying

[Flavor Leaf]

there we go.

[Flavor Leaf]

i'll die for my convictions. will you?

there is scum in the Hu Tao/Gamma/Marci trio almost 100% of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

which of the 2 is scummier to you, Gamma: marci or Hu tao?

[Flavor Leaf]

i'll die for my convictions. will you?

there is scum in the Hu Tao/Gamma/Marci trio almost 100% of the time.

Are you saying you’ll honor a mutual assured destruction where if one of us gets voted out today and flips town, the other goes next?

nah, that's noob stuff

[Flavor Leaf]

if you flip town, ill hard reanalyze the game before following the guilty on Hu tao.

[Flavor Leaf]

like why would i ever as town, who just tunneled a townie to death, ever agree to dying the next day. that's just taking 2 townies out.

[Flavor Leaf]

At this point Flavor, if you can’t see what I’m doing here, you just aren’t trying.

What are you soft claiming here?

setting up PR crumbs for protection. probs still figuring out what they wanna claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

what self meta point you making now? you're already in your self appointed scum meta according to fire?

And you havent played with me in years. Ask Drew how much my meta changes on almost a monthly basis bar a couple things. They've been working on reading me on lock. It's mostly worked with the 2 of us, Drew and I, even when we got forced to go against each other in a 1v1, but we ALMOST got there still.

Meta is supplementary.

[Flavor Leaf]

At this point Flavor, if you can’t see what I’m doing here, you just aren’t trying.

What are you soft claiming here?

setting up PR crumbs for protection. probs still figuring out what they wanna claim.

She pulled the same shit when I was asking about her posting around the Hu 'hammer threat'

Part of me is worried I am protecting ScumTao now, but Hu Tao made some solid town defenses for themselves.

i really dont think it's Dann here, though, and Geraint/Nono/Bulge arent wagon drivers.

[Flavor Leaf]

in order of townies i would be willing to fade, if we're looking into fading townies, of course,

Hu Tao > Dannfloor > Roden

id rather just fade scum Gamma, but if we gotta get town first, so be it

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think Gamma is town

and i think your reads twisted because you were under pressure.

it's Hu tao or Gamma tbh with some Marci sprinkled in

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma and FL feels like a TvT and Roden feels like he can’t genuinely interact with it ???

Idk

I don’t know what im doing

exactly what gamma wanted it to feel like

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think Gamma is town

and i think your reads twisted because you were under pressure.

it's Hu tao or Gamma tbh with some Marci sprinkled in

It is not I

then I think you are in the flipside this game, centered around scum, so your reads arent pure, not on day 1 in a pocket.

[Flavor Leaf]

dann is obv clueless town right now, and we should 100% always fade ON the Dann wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

im confused hows it good? dont we want everyone to check in before hammer? im scared someone will hammer

..and I'd also like to state that I would've definitely been on this slot for half of the time I've been on Hu Tao if it wasn't for that damned claim.

Marci is like 75% scum, and thats the entire reason we're in this situation this game, i feel.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma and FL feels like a TvT and Roden feels like he can’t genuinely interact with it ???

Idk

I don’t know what im doing

exactly what gamma wanted it to feel like

Can you just stop

could, will i, probs not.

[Flavor Leaf]

i want you faded here. i believe you're scum, and now you're pushing me, so we in a 1v1. you were on the end of a wagon i think is town, it is in my right to push you here. It's been only for like a couple hours.

[Flavor Leaf]

and at the very least, it's bringing multiple other threads into the game which is net positive in its own right.

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you actually gain by continuing to shade me here?

forcing other's to try and make a reason why you're town here that isn't just off vibes

[Flavor Leaf]

This EoD is so fucking bad

I agree

And back to disagreeing.
I think this is going to be a very good EoD for us, as long as we get one of these wagons flipped.
Lots to read/analyze later on with the context of revealed roles/alignments.

this is an amazing end of the day for sure

[Flavor Leaf]

Who is calling me town on vibes?

dann, they didnt say vibe, but they did say feel, which is vibes

[Flavor Leaf]

@Una - Look at Gamma/Marci interactions all game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, without looking, anyone try and tell me any of Gamma's Scum reads this game or town reads that aren't marci/Hu Tao.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, without looking, anyone try and tell me any of Gamma's Scum reads this game or town reads that aren't marci/Hu Tao.

Are you

trying

to piss me off?

why does this have anything to do with you?

This is the game, gamma. I'm presenting reasons why I believe you are scum here. That is a damn good reason.

Is it possible you're town? sure, but I have every right to go deep and investigate further, and present things like that so others can discuss and I can bounce back off

this is just you pure discrediting and trying to shade any attempt at any sort of case on you.

[Flavor Leaf]

spicy hot take what if this gamma and flavor plan of distancing

next level performing on gamma's part.

I feel they're super upset I caught them for reasons they think are bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

your role pm does tho

[Flavor Leaf]

fire, should we just vote dannflor

[Flavor Leaf]

fire, should we just vote dannflor

this was meant for the scum pt

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s honestly the problem with a lot of your arguments imo
I would say my scum and town range are technically identical, reading me cones down to nuance.

and unfortunate for you, i read you off of objectives, which is how you catch scumYou.

[Flavor Leaf]

i am getting deja vu of everytime flavor has pushed anyone and for the life of me i can't believe gamma wouldn't recognize it. is this trying to replicate townie outrage of flavor pushing a townie? Cause this is too much like other games that I know gamma was apart of or was in for this to be coincidence.

gamma remind me again how many games have u played with flavor leaf

this was a legitimate line of questioning by FB, and you can tell.

FB going straight to the top of my town reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

if Gamma flips scum, FB is IC.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s honestly the problem with a lot of your arguments imo
I would say my scum and town range are technically identical, reading me cones down to nuance.

and unfortunate for you, i read you off of objectives, which is how you catch scumYou.

Then what has my objective been, o wise one?

to pocket Hu tao

[Flavor Leaf]

you got a big ol hu tao pocket.

and you somehow got a dann pocket too, and now you're okay not fading dann.

convenient

[Flavor Leaf]

i think ScumGamma would be more upset than a town Gamma here, though, so i do believe it.

[Flavor Leaf]

you got a big ol hu tao pocket.

and you somehow got a dann pocket too, and now you're okay not fading dann.

convenient

And how do you think I plan to keep them pocketed while whittling down the town?

i feel like a broken record.

hu tao would have looked bad and took the heat for the dann wagon.

you can drop your pocket

[Flavor Leaf]

ah man, i ruined the scum roll for ya.

we can fade dannflor here if ya want, and you can just kill me off

[Flavor Leaf]

does Gamma say 'fucking' a lot as town when they are upset? I need to find some town games where Gamma is upset.

viewtopic.php?p=13128470#p13128470

found this scum game where they throw it around a lot.

[Flavor Leaf]

i honestly want to know how many games u played with flavor cause i don't buy this rage

I don’t even care to refute this. If you don’t think I’m actually upset, you aren’t gonna be swayed by anything I can say.

okay ill take u at ur word right now that ur actually upset.
my follow up to that is,

why are u getting into an argument with flavor leaf.
do u think ur going to convince him ur town? are u trying to beat him out in an argument?
Because I think if you have played with flavor for any amount of times and seen what is happening here in ur interactions with flavor u should know the path ur walking is only leading to a blow up of the thread for pages that leads to nothing useful but game apathy.

So i again ask, what are you trying to accomplish right now with ur discussion with flavor leaf?

I honestly don’t know, I just want him to stop vomiting crap into the thread that I don’t see the purpose of

Like, what the actual fuck was the fake PT slip meant to prove? It’s been stated multiple times that daytalk isn’t a thing this game!

damn, i actually town slipped. we can realize this post game, though, dont worry.

i was just trolling around with fire. wasnt supposed to prove anything.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd be down, but you gonna have people go "let marci confirm themselves" but what we gonna do on a soft clear that can easily be faked.

id rather just not deal.

and Gamma can just be investigated in that case.

[Flavor Leaf]

the 3rd is hidden, but Gamma/Marci is seeming likely for me.

While I do not outright say this is false or unlikely to me, I refuse to switch from Hu Tao to Gamma at this point.
So unless you somehow get people to limm our claimed ~whatever, I honestly won't switch.

well, then your vote is wasted today cuz Hu Tao aint getting faded today

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Marcistar

let's do it.

Investigate Gamma and you will get a guilty.

[Flavor Leaf]

Una is probs the Gamma partner imo, they look the worst on a Hu tao town reveal.

[Flavor Leaf]

but like if Una is scum, i just get killed off eventually anyways, so dont even care to dive further into that.

lets kill the conf townie claim

[Flavor Leaf]

if both Dann and Hu are town, Una is scum like 80% of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

maybe Una's their partner, and thats why Una got stuck tunneling Gamma.

Wait who with the what now?

If Hu Tao is scum, then you're like always town, so if you think you're right, it's fine. I just have to get that out in case I dont make it to tomorrow. Im trying to make it to tomorrow for sure, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Marci or Gamma today.

[Flavor Leaf]

why would scumBoon move from Hu tao here?

Hu Tao is like one of the best fades if I were scum here.

You're doing conditional reads with me, Una, and it's not a good look. Rewarding me for read momentum you like, and buzzword punishing when you don't like it, but analytically, that's a poor reason.

There's really no reason for me to move off of Hu tao as scum here. That's like one of the highest priority misfades if I were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why. The. Fuck. Would. Town!FL. Move. From. Hu Tao. Here.
Like honestly wtf?
If you are town, you do not know their alignment --> you should absolutely see that their flips is the most informative as of now.
I honestly think there's a good chance for scum as well, but solely based on the information side we should NOT at this point jump onto another wagon.
This screams scum!Boon to me, trying to sway the whole playerlist from Bulge --> Hu Tao --> last minute switch to mix everything up.
While I earlier said that marci is someone I'd want flipped if it wasn't for their claim, I also have reached the point where I can just accept the fact that they are eliminated D2.
THE ORDER MATTERS HERE.

To be fair. He didn't sway it from either bulge or me. I did those 2

i would say me moving onto Gamma over you helped end the Hu tao wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I definitely didn't sway it from Bulge, I tried to keep it there and Hu tao directly stopped it. I think I'm right on the money with Gamma, though.

Una-Gamma team is interesting to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why. The. Fuck. Would. Town!FL. Move. From. Hu Tao. Here.
Like honestly wtf?
If you are town, you do not know their alignment --> you should absolutely see that their flips is the most informative as of now.
I honestly think there's a good chance for scum as well, but solely based on the information side we should NOT at this point jump onto another wagon.
This screams scum!Boon to me, trying to sway the whole playerlist from Bulge --> Hu Tao --> last minute switch to mix everything up.
While I earlier said that marci is someone I'd want flipped if it wasn't for their claim, I also have reached the point where I can just accept the fact that they are eliminated D2.
THE ORDER MATTERS HERE.

explain in your mind why ScumFL moves from Hu Tao there, actually.

[Flavor Leaf]

like there's actually a lot of things that should show im objectively town here.

one: unless im scum with dannflor, it makes zero sense to defend it without getting a claim from dann first.
two: it makes no sense to move off of Hu Tao, who'd be one of the biggest threats to a scumFL world.
three: it's just kind of weird to defend Dann here as S/S anyways, and again, if I'm WK'ing, then that was super risky because someone could have hammered, and again, didnt even get the claim.


i could probably go on.

but there's no real reason for scumMe here to try and cause this much chaos when I could have just sat back, off the dann wagon, and let it go through and then kill off a threat.

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer
Dannfloor
Hu Tao
Roden
Doctor Drew
jjh927
Nono
geraintm
The Bulge
UnaBombaH
Marcistar
Gamma Emerald

probs where im at now. Hu Tao isnt making sense as scum to me right now, but i'll catch em later if they are.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Gamma

[Flavor Leaf]

Dann is an obvious PR. Fade Gamma

[Flavor Leaf]

I know how to look towny and fake towny looking trajectories it should maybe tell you something that I’m not trying to do that

[Flavor Leaf]

fwiw, the game of Gamma's I linked earlier they self hammered as scum.

Una's posting is overly ridiculous, and idk if it's too ridiculous to be scum levels, but it very well might be.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't think una is scum

thats effectively what i said too

[Flavor Leaf]

or was at least alluding towards.

gamma flip will help open the game up

[Flavor Leaf]

Loyal Neighborizer doesn’t confirm Marci, it confirms the other player.

Could be scum neighborizer claiming Loyal.

I think I’m semi okay with the claim, though, and I will sit back today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just don’t like that Marci said “i can confirm myself” on day 1, when that really doesn’t

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you Loyal Friendly Neighbor? Or Loyal Neighborizer?

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah im a loyal neighbourizer

Loyal Neighborizer does not give a message to the target, it brings them into a Neighborhood. What message is Drew referring to?

[Flavor Leaf]

Loyal Neighborizer doesn’t confirm Marci, it confirms the other player.

Could be scum neighborizer claiming Loyal.

I think I’m semi okay with the claim, though, and I will sit back today.

I keep going back and forth on this, the message I received highly suggested they were loyal though.

But still.....some questions I do have about the presentation of it all.

Peter Edit: Did you crumb at all D1 that you would target me?

The message did not come from Marci if they are claiming Loyal Neighborizer.

So i don’t know why you’re trying to combine those 2.

Why would another player know you were to be confirmed through Marcistar, and why are you not questioning how that’s happening?

Am I missing something?

What did your message say?

[Flavor Leaf]

Just don’t like that Marci said “i can confirm myself” on day 1, when that really doesn’t

im wsorry but how does it not? to me it seemed like i could.. esp if i could catch maf with it

Like this doesn’t make sense at all?

How does Loyal Neighborizer confirm YOUR alignment?

[Flavor Leaf]

i guess possibility both drew and marci scum together but thats kind of bold for marci

Marci can be scum and Drew can be town too.

I’m assuming I’m missing something if I’m the only one not seeing this weird, and I’m trying to find that link I’m missing, but from my pov, y’all wildin right now

[Flavor Leaf]

It does confirm Drew can only be scum with Marci, though, unless Marci lying town, but i don’t think so.

That works, I already town read Drew anyways, so I can believe that.

At the present, I believe yall messing up some mech stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay then how did i manage to make a hood if im not town?? im so confused why you guys are doubtful

You can’t be this dense to think it’s impossible for scum to fake claim Loyal.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s like How To Fake Claim With Loyal 101

[Flavor Leaf]

i guess possibility both drew and marci scum together but thats kind of bold for marci

Marci can be scum and Drew can be town too.

I’m assuming I’m missing something if I’m the only one not seeing this weird, and I’m trying to find that link I’m missing, but from my pov, y’all wildin right now

It's not just you

Kinda shocked that anyone is buying it at all tbh

Drew i think could be pocketed because they get town cleared, so half wanting it to be pure.

FB, idk what’s going on there.

Marci is playing dumb.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think FB is probably scum here.

@Hu Tao - The game where I was Miller, FB did the same thing where they backed my read up and let me drive.

I always town read FB in those situations. I don’t generally push FB, but that’s where I’m at right now.

I need Drew to claim what the message was.

[Flavor Leaf]

ok then why would scum!me choose drew out of everyone? why not someone with a better ability to sway and someone more townie to pocket?

WIFOM

Drew’s a perfectly fine candidate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew i think could be pocketed because they get town cleared, so half wanting it to be pure.

FB, idk what’s going on there.

Marci is playing dumb.

im not playing dumb? im legit confused how this doesnt clear me..

Why can’t you be scum Neighborizer here from an outside POV?

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I’m not certain you’re scum or anything here Marci, I can see you doing this as an actual Loyal Neighborizer in some worlds, but how is anyone not you supposed to see you as not possibly Scum Neighborizer acting like you’re Town Loyal Neighborizer?

This does not confirm you at all, which is why it’s weird you’re acting like it does

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t see where it says Loyal

Where is it?

[Flavor Leaf]

All I see is a claimed neighborhood being created?

Where’s the Loyal in a place where I can see it?

Role PM confirms it TO YOU.

How is it supposed to confirm to us?

[Flavor Leaf]

You promised your role would be confirmed, in the future tense.

From your pov, you were already confirmed in the past with that logic.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think FB is probably scum here.

@Hu Tao - The game where I was Miller, FB did the same thing where they backed my read up and let me drive.

I always town read FB in those situations. I don’t generally push FB, but that’s where I’m at right now.

I need Drew to claim what the message was.

i always let u do ur own thing and i do my own thing.
i tell u when ur wrong when im town and let u fuck up when im scum

i don't think theres point in pushing marci today given roles and yeah marci claiming confirmed day 1 is dumb

And i usually accept it when you do.

You are in the wrong on this one. Marci 100% should be pressured right now.

I’m not saying we fade them here, but their logic is straight up wrong here.

[Flavor Leaf]

i think marci targetting drew to clear him makes the most sense as that is what i would have done

So you are saying, a scum neighborizer who would want to have a logical target would target Drew?

Interesting.

[Flavor Leaf]

All I see is a claimed neighborhood being created?

Where’s the Loyal in a place where I can see it?

Role PM confirms it TO YOU.

How is it supposed to confirm to us?

bro do u want to see my role dm or sum im not a cheater

i think itll prove itself after i neighbourize again for sure, whether i confirm town another person, or i catch a scum. how would it not confirm itself by then? a 2nd person knowing its true is too much to be liar

Because if you’re scum, you just push a guilty tomorrow

[Flavor Leaf]

And then you survive from Day 1 all the way to Day 4 after being heavily speculated.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s Mass Claim time.

@Hu Tao/Drew/Geraint - I tried doing this last game with us, and it got pushed aside where if we had, town would have been in a much better spot.

With Marco as a claimed Loyal Neighborizer, they can confirm townies, so it’s dangerous for scum to keep them alive.

This gives complete defense against all other claims, and we can play with a full puzzle.

This being said, I think we fade Marcistar TOMORROW, no matter if she successfully neighborizes or not to confirm if her results are trustworthy and to not let them slip through cracks.

[Flavor Leaf]

All I see is a claimed neighborhood being created?

Where’s the Loyal in a place where I can see it?

Role PM confirms it TO YOU.

How is it supposed to confirm to us?

bro do u want to see my role dm or sum im not a cheater

i think itll prove itself after i neighbourize again for sure, whether i confirm town another person, or i catch a scum. how would it not confirm itself by then? a 2nd person knowing its true is too much to be liar

Because if you’re scum, you just push a guilty tomorrow

im confused wouldnt that just make me die d3?

Today is Day 3.

Tomorrow is Day 4, and you can guilty someone that’s higher priority from scum’s pov.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh we’re Day 2. Thought we were Day 3 and it just hadn’t been updated.

So yeah, you just die Day 3, which is fine, you go 1 for 1 and Drew would be not conf town after, so there’s play options there.

[Flavor Leaf]

today is day 2

Yeah, changes things.

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn.

Yeah, Marci logic is bad. FB defending is also bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

i have no issues with mass claim
im a backup mailman

Fine, let’s do it.

Loyal Neighborizer it protects anyways.

I’ve claimed.

I’m Vanilla.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao
Flavor Leaf - Vanilla
Firebringer - Back up Mailman
marcistar - Loyal Neighborizer
Gamma Emerald
Doctor Drew
Dannflor
Nono
The Bulge
Roden
UnaBombaH

[Flavor Leaf]

i have no issues with mass claim
im a backup mailman

Fine, let’s do it.

Loyal Neighborizer it protects anyways.

I’ve claimed.

I’m Vanilla.

ur thoughts are weird

bcuz u think i could be scum

but u think my claim protects?

it sounds like you think im town in this post?

Either are possible. I don’t think in Black and White.

[Flavor Leaf]

why would u guys want to lim me just let scum kill me or else i keep confirming towns

thats such a weird thought process

Nah, you don’t get to stay full the whole game off that claim.

That’s an easy scum fake claim to make

[Flavor Leaf]

hows it a fake claim if theres proof i can do it

Where’s the Loyal Proof that everyone else can see?

[Flavor Leaf]

hows it a fake claim if theres proof i can do it

Where’s the Loyal Proof that everyone else can see?

stop asking to see my role dm wtf

This isn’t asking for the Role PM.

If it’s only in Role PM, it’s not confirmed.

[Flavor Leaf]

lol marci anyone can fake claim loyal. Ive done it scum at least once this past year

Yeah, and she got that goodfellas banner, and she can’t comprehend this?

I don’t buy it at all

That’s like beginning scum play tactic she’s playing dumb to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Jjh would have turned against Marcistar here after that didn’t confirm Marci too.

[Flavor Leaf]

OKAY BUT ITS NOT A FAKECLAIM I HAVE PROOF IN MY ROLE DM

Okay, if you are town, I believe you.

How are we supposed to see this as ‘confirmed’?

[Flavor Leaf]

Jjh would have turned against Marcistar here after that didn’t confirm Marci too.

have someone track me tonight

HOW DOES THIS CONFIRM LOYAL AND NOT SCUM NEIGHBORIZER ACTION

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not questioning the Neighborizer action.

If you are scum, you are still a Neighborizer

[Flavor Leaf]

OKAY BUT ITS NOT A FAKECLAIM I HAVE PROOF IN MY ROLE DM

Okay, if you are town, I believe you.

How are we supposed to see this as ‘confirmed’?

cuz the hood is literally right there-

Why shouldn’t other people see you as a possible Scum Neighborizer?

[Flavor Leaf]

ill ask my scum buddy then

dannflor, is marcistar a loyal neighborizer

LITERALLY WHY DOES NOBODY BELIEVE ME THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING

LIKE IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IN MY ROLE DM

Your logic is just bad and it’s you being dense town or scum.

But I’m done making you look like a fool in the case you are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pretty sure I have a scum game somewhere where we had a Neighborizer and claimed Loyal Neighborizer.

I’ll try to find it later.

We won off of it, of course.

Part of me is leaning Marci Dense town, but i don’t know how good of playing dumb they are, and their AtE levels seem like pretty strong tool for them as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

im not, im loyal neighbourizer

I ask cause I keep reading the message, and it reads like the mailman is the loyal one.....not you.

You need to separate them completely, Drew. That is 2 different roles.

Mailman has nothing to do with Marcistar.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a theory that they misunderstood a gambit to try and confirm Marcistar, and then realized it, but i wouldn’t hold too much weight with that.

That message is also kinda obviously from scum. I don’t think Firebringer lets that happen, so idk. Their claim of Backup Mailman is kinda scummy, but either way, we’re in good stuff for the day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bold of you to assume i give a fuck how you view my play
I play for nobody except myself.

I have an action that can confirm town myself tonight if you really want me to

Claim it

Doesn't need to be claimed if it is trully confirmable

And alas, it wasn’t truly confirmable.

This is why it should have been claimed yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s Mass Claim time.

@Hu Tao/Drew/Geraint - I tried doing this last game with us, and it got pushed aside where if we had, town would have been in a much better spot.

With Marco as a claimed Loyal Neighborizer, they can confirm townies, so it’s dangerous for scum to keep them alive.

This gives complete defense against all other claims, and we can play with a full puzzle.

This being said, I think we fade Marcistar TOMORROW, no matter if she successfully neighborizes or not to confirm if her results are trustworthy and to not let them slip through cracks.

It's nowhere near mass claim time

Eh, I’m still pro mass claim, but I’m the type that will mass claim Day 1 if the situation calls for it.

I’m still in favor of it tbh, but not enough to fight and push for it like i would have been.

However, i stand by that post game, it will be seen as it would have been for the best to mass claim here

[Flavor Leaf]

People are afraid of mass claim as town for some reason, but if PR’s already outed like one we have with Marci, it just makes so much sense to do so, and scum don’t want mass claim.

Mass claim puts scum in a hole if done correctly, and there are so many of my scum games had town got together and mass claimed earlier, then I probably would have lost.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe tomorrow for mass claim. Not everyone has even checked in yet.

Can we do a

“I agree with Marci logic” or “i don’t agree with Marci logic” claim.

I think I’d like everyone’s thoughts on Marcistar Loyal Neighborizer claim confirms them as Loyal.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know what, i actually think with that Mailman message it’s worth claiming.

If they are Loyal Mailman, imo, that counters Marcistar claim. The fact that Marcistar said “Perhaps we’re both Loyal” is so funny to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm indifferent on it right now, as I don't feel it's worth arguing over right now.

How?

[Flavor Leaf]

Marci is basically saying “i have a town role PM so you all should see me as town”

[Flavor Leaf]

How are you ‘indifferent’ on it?

[Flavor Leaf]

girl i want you to show me proof on how im not loyal

because my role dm literally says right here LOYAL NEIGHBOURIZER

Show us proof you are loyal (not in your Role PM, so don’t push that nonsense again)

You are Neighborizer, sure.

Where’s the Loyal Proof?

[Flavor Leaf]

That we all can see without a doubt?

[Flavor Leaf]

Logics just wrong on your part.

Honestly, not even up for debate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah. It doesn’t resolve

[Flavor Leaf]

You get to end game with multiple people in the neighborhood that end up being ‘off limits’ and are forced to solve outside of it until it’s too late or MarciScum decides to fake a guilty.

You resolve it now, either by fading or coming up with a scenario.

If Marcistar ever gets a ‘guilty’ you fade Marci first 100% of the time.

Because Marci is a Roleblock target now, so any guilty is soft guilty anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

the fact that the hood is a thing is proof it worked on drew so its proof im loyal??

what dont u get smh and u think im dumb! lol

It proves you are a Neighborizer.

It doesn’t prove you are Loyal.

You could be Loyal Neighborizer.

But why shouldn’t other people see you could possibly be Scum Neighborizer here?

[Flavor Leaf]

okay if im not loyal how do we even have the hood then?

Fucking ignorant af.

WHAT THE FUCK STOPS A HYPOTHETICAL SCUM NEIGHBORIZER IN YOUR SITUATION FROM CLAIMING?

Listen, i don’t give a fucking shit what your fucking Role PM says, fuck this exact game. Go at it from a hypothetical situation.

What part of anything there proves you are a fucking Loyal Neighborizer TO OTHER FUCKING PLAYERS that doesn’t look exactly the same as SCUM NEIGHBORIZER.

If you are a TOWN LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER, yes, it is 100% proven Drew is conf town, and YOU know that to be true.

Emphasis on YOU.

Nobody else can know you aren’t Scum Neighborizer claiming.

On a black and white level, you are not confirmed to be a Loyal Neighborizer.

I would say, you are confirmed to be a Neighborizer.

If you are town, yes, you are a LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER,

But you are not fucking confirmed.

Ignorant af.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I’m arguing a semantics argument here, i don’t give a shit about your alignment right now.

I’m in the process of figuring it out.

I almost think you’re more likely to be town who’s just being dumb at this point

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry for the blow up. But hot damn.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t know how else to get it through to them.

[Flavor Leaf]

If they end up being scum, that was 100% their objective to look so dumb and confused by that that they come off as town.

Hu Tao’s take on the situation is poor as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

But I’ll let it slide with Hu Tao for the sake they could just be trying to move past it

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m done with Marcistar back and forth.

All it did was make Fire and Hu Tao look worse, and I was kinda hoping to be able to ride this day town reading them, but I’ll try to not let their reactions to that sway me for now, so I’ll reset that.

[Flavor Leaf]

That is purposeful ignorance, and players gonna give a pass because of AtE.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay if im not loyal how do we even have the hood then?

Fucking ignorant af.

WHAT THE FUCK STOPS A HYPOTHETICAL SCUM NEIGHBORIZER IN YOUR SITUATION FROM CLAIMING?

Listen, i don’t give a fucking shit what your fucking Role PM says, fuck this exact game. Go at it from a hypothetical situation.

What part of anything there proves you are a fucking Loyal Neighborizer TO OTHER FUCKING PLAYERS that doesn’t look exactly the same as SCUM NEIGHBORIZER.

If you are a TOWN LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER, yes, it is 100% proven Drew is conf town, and YOU know that to be true.

Emphasis on YOU.

Nobody else can know you aren’t Scum Neighborizer claiming.

On a black and white level, you are not confirmed to be a Loyal Neighborizer.

I would say, you are confirmed to be a Neighborizer.

If you are town, yes, you are a LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER,

But you are not fucking confirmed.

Ignorant af.

i already told you why would i use my action when im so sussy if im scum lol it just gives people more information when i get limmed. scum doesnt want that right? ^.^

and you claim im dumb but i think you need to think more silly!

This is WIFOM

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum do want that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum do want that.

how do scum want to give ppl info to talk about

scum want to leave people in the dark abt their partners after their flip so they reduce the info that town gets

Looks like your understanding of a scum game is still on the lower end

[Flavor Leaf]

im so confused how could this be purposeful ignorance? im a STAR not a dumb bitch

It’s either purposeful ignorance or pure ignorance.

Even Drew and Firebringer explained to you why you were wrong

[Flavor Leaf]

Jjh died because he was the town leader with the credibility who would have called that shit out

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I’m being kind of a dick, sorry about that, but I’m also being antagonized by scum, so

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Marcistar

This should have been the fade yesterday when we moved over.

I’m done with the “resolve itself”

That’s what we said YESTERDAY.

And it didn’t.

I even came in not necessarily wanting to fade there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will not accept any “resolve itself” defenses this day phase.

Give me real defenses if you want to defend Marci, because this is not a resolve itself situation anymore

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you think scum!Drew spends time trying to convince Flavor Leaf that Una is scum

I don't think either of them are scum

Drew especially looks like town!Drew

See, that kind of question is why I'm really liking Hu Tao here

Do you want to bounce some ideas then? I think Nono is 100% town here on the grounds that they have taken a very unique stance within the gamestate, despite ultimately being wrong. This was my canned answer to the question I asked geraintm

In terms of reads, I think the scumteam is entirely within Roden, Marcistar, The Bulge, Xegarus, geraintm

I would like to narrow that down if possible

[Flavor Leaf]

What were jjh reads anyways

He also was saying about Marci that since she’s confirmable, we leave her yesterday.

JJH would not be on Marci’s side of this logic. For a fact, you know JJH would not consider Marci as being confirmed town here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Geraint’s alignment is bonkers easy to read in late game.

They could be scum here, but I’m staying on Marci on a principal level because there’s plenty of reasons why they are actually scum here, and like no good reasons why they are town here that isn’t AtE based.

[Flavor Leaf]

im not going to argue with u flavor leaf, i townread u.
Theres no point in me arguing with u one what is more important right now.

if marci is alive tomorrow, im fine killing her.
if she is town killing her and then drew gets killed means we get nothing, you know that but are being stupid.

Nah, we lost that for me.

Frankly, if scum wanna do that, by all means, i don’t believe we get nothing at all with that.

This game has plenty of stuff going forward.

You could have not enabled Marci earlier if you truly wanted that.

So now, i will be pushing Marci throughout the day

[Flavor Leaf]

Say Marci targets someone tonight, Drew dies flips town, and then we get say…Hu Tao in the neighborhood.

You gonna use that same argument?

Because IT DOES NOT RESOLVE ITSELF

[Flavor Leaf]

Geraint’s alignment is bonkers easy to read in late game.

Want to share with the rest of the class on this

Geraint can’t deep wolf.

And their thought process is insanely easy to read on an objective level if they are scum/town.

Like when they are scum, you can see their objective of survival, and when they are town, you can see their “just kill me so i don’t have to do anything” mentality

[Flavor Leaf]

bold of you to assume im not dying tonight

Why would scum ever kill you tonight when you have a Flavor Leaf pushing you?

[Flavor Leaf]

Marci had already claimed a confirmable Town PR Day 1 and scum chose not to kill them already.

[Flavor Leaf]

bold of you to assume im not dying tonight

Why would scum ever kill you tonight when you have a Flavor Leaf pushing you?

why does that matter when i can literally confirm people

isnt scum most afraid of confirms

well maybe unless if they have a rber

They’re only confirmed after your death.

[Flavor Leaf]

One of Hu Tao or Firebringer is likely scum here, i don’t think both. I wanna lean FB because Hu Tao woulda bussed Marci the second it looked possibly bad for them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I like limming town as town pre Day 3 anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

One of Hu Tao or Firebringer is likely scum here, i don’t think both. I wanna lean FB because Hu Tao woulda bussed Marci the second it looked possibly bad for them.

im always scum

Cool, let’s vote a Town Loyal Neighborizer then. THEYRE CONFIRMED TOWN

[Flavor Leaf]

Imo, Loyal Mailman is a direct counter to Loyal Neighborizer.

Based on the message in the Mailman, i could have assumed that it could have been a trick to out scum.

However, Marcistar is claiming to be a Loyal Neighborizer and a Neighborhood was successfully created.

Loyal Mailman and Loyal Neighborizer are not aligned.

If Marci is lying, Mailman will come out eventually and confirm Drew further.

I feel Drew was legitimately confused, so in all worlds, Drew is town.

Loyal Mailman or Loyal Neighborizer is scum.

Why would scum confirm Drew as townie?

Well, now it’s essentially confirmed that scum have done that.

[Flavor Leaf]

ill ask my scumteam what they think about this

I think it’s fine.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you wanna openwolf, open wolf, right now you feel like fake scum

[Flavor Leaf]

ill ask my scumteam what they think about this

I think it’s fine.

ur not in my pt. can't fool me

Yeah, but Marci is

[Flavor Leaf]

3rd scum is probs Dann or Bulge.

But i dont know which. Just going off the fact im probably town reading a scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would scum not want Marcistar at the end of the day yesterday?

They claimed a confirmable PR, yet they piled onto my Gamma push.

Marci wagon end of the day was FB, Gamma, and Me.

Marci would have been a way better misfade than Gamma based on that confirmable PR claim.

Occam’s Razor, Marci just scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay done messing around, again not gonna get into argument over this with you flavor.
if marci flips town im going to tell u i told u so a million times

VOTE: marci

I’ll let you tell me so all night long

[Flavor Leaf]

We all said that if Marci wasn’t confirmed, we would resolve it after the night anyways.

I’m kinda okay letting scum think I’m not the loyal mailman here too, so they can try to hunt for that loyal mailman with limited info

[Flavor Leaf]

I dedicate this Marcistar wagon to Gamma Emerald.

This is their scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay done messing around, again not gonna get into argument over this with you flavor.
if marci flips town im going to tell u i told u so a million times

VOTE: marci

I’ll let you tell me so all night long

i mean ur just scumread me harder once marci flips town for letting u run the show so lol

Nah, I like you enough to let you deep wolf in that scenario

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t really push scumYou really

And i kill you when im scum.

Idk why

[Flavor Leaf]

If we aren’t mass claiming, which I am now against, then i think we get through Day 2 fast.

I would like as many people to check in, but end of the day, they can check in Day 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m right on Marci, im probably just dead.

Honestly, i see reasons why if I’m wrong on Marci, i just get killed too.

Best way to deal with me.

Let me run through Day 1-2 and kill me off.

Early game doesn’t matter until late game.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah im a loyal neighbourizer

Why would you claim this?

i wanted drew to know that im not the mailman?

idk and i thought everyone would sus me so it would be better to claim it sooner rather than later right? more time to marinate in the info

This is cap.

They wanted Drew specifically to know they were not the mailman, but didn’t say it in neighborhood?

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m right on Marci, im probably just dead.

Honestly, i see reasons why if I’m wrong on Marci, i just get killed too.

Best way to deal with me.

Let me run through Day 1-2 and kill me off.

Early game doesn’t matter until late game.

Why you over me?

I am basically confTown now.....no matter Marci's alignment.

Unless scum want to push that this is a Marci/Drew scum gambit.

I mean, if Marci flips scum, I’d argue I’m close to conftown too.

I just get nightkilled a lot in scenarios that i hard push multiples townies early like a

“Alright, we warlocked you successfully for a few days, time to put you down before we can’t constrain the growing power.”

Im a late game powerhouse as town, early game power house as scum, and certain players will kill me off cuz once we get to late game, i put in A LOT of analysis work, and I care way more about being right than early game.

Early game I can push willy nilly and take action for people to react to, and scum can coast if i miss.

[Flavor Leaf]

But yeah, I would say on a Marci scum flip, you’re up there for high prio night kill. There’s avenues you could be pushed for a teammate, i think, but don’t really wanna get into it

Roden would also be high priority.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see Marci being a Disloyal Neighborizer Traitor.

The way they talk about Gamma early kinda looks like them setting up Gamma to look like scum if they ever flipped Traitor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, that’s a silly role. That just confirms townies.

Maybe Complex Neighborizer? Could be traitor.

If Marci is traitor, Hu Tao/Una could be their teammate, and maybe the Mailman stuff was accidental.