Abarat: Days of Magic, Nights of War Mafia (Endgame)

[Shmugen]

If Tammy were the SK, it would be supremely easy for her to have let us swing over to Bella and lynch her rather than fight to get Flash lynched. This takes her out of the running for the SK position in my eyes.

[Minimum]

It's not weird for TammySK to be skeptical about going along with Flash's plans.

[Shmugen]

Which way are you leaning?

[Minimum]

Flash.

[Shmugen]

Truly? Tammy has convinced you?

[Flash]

You should vote for tammy, shmugen.

[Shmugen]

The situation I want is Flash and I voting Bella, Tammy and Bella voting Flash, with Minimum dropping the hammer.

[Tammy]

So you can hammer and win the game. Nice try, Shmugen's not stupid Flash.

[Shmugen]

I appreciate that, Tams.

[Minimum]

Not as such.

Since Flash's claim, Tammy has done all but counterclaim Flash to the point that it's obvious Tammy and Flash are the 2 scum (the strength of her certainty certainly makes no sense if she were town). Based on play I'd call Flash the SK and Tammy the final Night for sure (see e.g. Tammy's genuine-seeming belief that our slot was the SK earlier). Flash knowing the details of our role obviously does point to him being Night but there are also parts of his claim that seem sketchy, specifically I find it odd that the scum team'd only have 5 safe claims (especially with Numa Child being an obvious addition, something which Tammy pointed out immediately).

[Minimum]

("Not as such." was a response to 2129.)

[Shmugen]

Hm. I see where you're coming from with the Tammy counterclaim thing. I disagree on the 5 safe claims part, though.

[Shmugen]

Gotta go grocery shopping. Be back inside the limit.

[Minimum]

Last Abarat's scum team had the 3 Fantomaya sisters, Abraham Hollow (used to be hito's avatar) and Hemmett McBean for safe claims. It would be weird if this scum team had the same amount of safe claims.

[Flash]

Each scum pm had 1 safeclaim with it, not just a name, but a whole fake PM, perhaps that's the difference?

[Minimum]

Fake claims were also posted to the scum QT in the previous Abarat instead of in the role PMs.

[Flash]

Perhaps the nature of gammas role bread the change?

[Tammy]

That doesn't even make sense.

[Minimum]

Perhaps the nature of gammas role bread the change?

Nope. Gamma's role and what he shared of the phrasing relevant to this issue makes more sense with a small number of exceptions than with an exception universal to scum PMs.

[Minimum]

It'd be appreciated if you claimed Night by the bye, Tammy.

[Tammy]

Not as such.

Since Flash's claim, Tammy has done all but counterclaim Flash to the point that it's obvious Tammy and Flash are the 2 scum (the strength of her certainty certainly makes no sense if she were town). Based on play I'd call Flash the SK and Tammy the final Night for sure (see e.g. Tammy's genuine-seeming belief that our slot was the SK earlier). Flash knowing the details of our role obviously does point to him being Night but there are also parts of his claim that seem sketchy, specifically I find it odd that the scum team'd only have 5 safe claims (especially with Numa Child being an obvious addition, something which Tammy pointed out immediately).

You don't think his refusal to full claim his role and admitting that he doesn't want the serial killer lynched points to him as lying?

Also, 3 hours counts as immediately now? I'd say that's more than enough time for me to read the flipped scums iso.

[Tammy]

It'd be appreciated if you claimed Night by the bye, Tammy.

Why would I do that?

[Minimum]

Not particularly.

It was immediate in all relevant senses (in particular, it was unprompted.) My FlashSKtheory here includes the notion that Night do also have the Numa Child as a fake claim given hito's handling of safe claims in the first Abarat (in that he gave more than the amount of scum and that he gave multiple safe claims that were flavour-related with flavour justification) in which case you'd certainly ask a question about the Numa Child based on its absence. I see no reason to believe that you would definitely come up with that point otherwise.

P-edit: because we're definitely lynching either you or Flash; if you're Night, you've already lost and it'd be very nice of you to give us the win given that we're cool enough to consider lynching Flash despite the Finnegan Hob info.

[Shmugen]

I return.

[Tammy]

Dammit. I literally suck at trying to defend myself when I'm caught. I was going to do this last night when I realized that I had made it absolutely obvious that I was night by the way I went about it and that it didn't seem like people were buying that flash was lying, but I was still holding out some hope that I had a small chance to win this. I wish I would have gone about proving that he was lying differently. I saw right when he claimed and tried to figure out a way to still get him lynched without outing myself in the process, but gah this kind of thing is not my forte.

If its going to be between me or him today, I'll make sure it's not me, because I've lost either way and would rather town win if I can't. Also, I don't think shmugen is going to be convinced any other way that flash isn't night. I know that it's not a 100% guarantee that I've lost this thing, but it's close enough that I don't see a way around it, so I hope this isnt considered playing against my win con but once minimum made it clear that I all but counterclaimed in name the writing was on the wall. I don't have the skill to come back from that

Give me a minute and I can give you enough proof that I'm night.