Tales of You (Endgame)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

the extinction of <30 page day 1s.

That wasn't as in-depth as I hoped but okay. If I stretch, maybe I can buy he wanted numerically lower number of posts and were complaining about the most prolific posters. But what's the big picture? Why are Rancid town?

~ F-16

You have to unpack it, sorry. I assumed you'd probably picked some of this up from meta-ing some of the games he's played. He wants a game that doesn't move at a speed such that coming back after 24 hours you're looking at 2-3 hours slog to really catch up. he wants a game where deadline lynch scrambles aren't a thing.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

the alt-slipping and pretending to be each other has become a running gag, and has (sadly) been one of the more enjoyable things in what has turned out to be a serious pain of a game. The "noise" they've contributed pales in comparison to some of the other noise.

And keep in mind that despite the fact that mastin and AP have dominated this game in recent days, earlier today Titan was still 100 posts ahead of the next most prolific poster.

I own some of the blame because I disengaged rather than yelling about how helpful to scum that kind of thread-noise is.

It's not enjoyable. Do you know what's enjoyable? Scum getting lynched. Not scum doing stupid schticks because they feel like it.

Look at the interactions that lead Tammy to spam-post as hard as she did. She was the central figure in this game for a very long time. Why was that the case?

Because mastin and RBD started attacking her relentlessly for no good reason.

And yelling about how helpful thread-noise is to scum does jack shit; fixing the problem

by removing the scum who are causing it

it how to deal with it.

Then why aren't you yelling for mastin/ap blood?

[AngryPidgeon]

Uh. He is voting mastin? And all my spam is ABOUT mastin so that can be expected to be resolved by removing mastin. Why you post that?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

also, wait...what relentless attacking of Tammy by RBD?

[Just Sheep Us]

I have been yelling for mastin blood, but have made it fairly clear that I'd prefer RBD first (95+% chance at scum flip is technically better than a 90% chance scum flip)

I would be yelling for AP blood if I were scum reading him.

pedit: I don't remember specifics of the attack, just the pretty arrows of RBD defending mastin and attacking whomever she attacked.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Uh. He is voting mastin? And all my spam is ABOUT mastin so that can be expected to be resolved by removing mastin. Why you post that?

or by removing you. which is my point. if it's a noise thing then mastin/you are a bigger problem than mastin/rbd.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, ffery I am not really seeing why you have trouble following my thought process or play in this game. Compared to Mastin, Muffin/Nati, and AP who have literally buried this thread under an avalanche of back-and-forths that bear no purpose to the thread other than make it difficult for the other players to catch up and post, I think the scum motivation is rather obvious here.

For someone who seemingly likes meta, you seem very ignorant of my tendency to top post counts regularly in all my games regardless of my alignment.
But ya. Being anti-town (which me v mastin is lets be honest) is not a scumtell. At all. This is ridiculously shallow.

And yes its fucking MORONIC to think mastin and I could be scum together. It makes literally no sense to be ok with thinking that. Like being suspicious that it COULD be the case? Id buy it. But you saying with a straight face that all the shit we've posted is just smoke? No. Just no. I want to explain to you why that makes no sense, but it just doesnt and I just cant.

[AngryPidgeon]

or by removing you. which is my point. if it's a noise thing then mastin/you are a bigger problem than mastin/rbd.

Except he thinks Im town and not mastin? Also removing mastin would solve both of those dichotomies?

Your point

------

my head.

[MastinSSK]

@ Muffin, I am trying to work with you to see if I can make sense of the game with you-town and if you want to do that, I'm all ears.
~ F-16

So, if you made this offer to me, it never got followed through on. If you made it (too lazy to check), why wasn't it followed through on (don't say "because you spammed"), and if you didn't...why not?

I don't think you realized how you came off in the early game, with the obvtown declaration on relatively thin soup, and how weakly supported your 180 on Titan looked. Probably the only reason I gave it the credence I did was because of your reaction test of me in 169, which also looked objectively weak to me, and raised some questions about your alignment that I harbored for a good while afterwards.

Yeah, I can tell when I make an "off" entrance that is my fault. I enter games in a variety of ways, sometimes well, occasionally badly. This was one of the latter times. I understood that the initial suspicion was justified.
~ F-16

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiit a sec.

I was trying to go through your iso and figure out your mastin read earlier today, F-16. It's not clear at all why you think she's scum.

It progressed through the pages:

1) My initial scumread - I don't think Mastin's push on us was genuine.

2) Later on, she pushed the Fox and the Hound even though their responses were incredibly genuine. Her post about Ceph viewing him as a mislynch was bad.
3) Her role takes away one town vote. Rancid's role requires one less vote to lynch. What do you think of that?
~ F-16

So wait, you're a

shittier

tree stump.
And you're calling it the most powerful role ever?

No, it's modified. Stronger in some ways, weaker in others. And it is a strongish role, yes. Not as strong as I implied, yes. Because the whole idea of softclaiming was to get scum to nightkill me.

Mastin was (is?) confident AP is scum

I'm going to burn in hell for this.
I'm regretting even the thought of typing it.
I mean, doing so is basically revoking any "I told you so" cred I could have at endgame.
And sabotaging any future efforts to that endeavor if I change my mind back.
*pause*

It's.
*groan*

...It's.
(I don't want to say it. I really don't.)

...It's "was".

*grimaces*
VOTE: PeregrineV.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I have been yelling for mastin blood, but have made it fairly clear that I'd prefer RBD first (95+% chance at scum flip is technically better than a 90% chance scum flip)

I would be yelling for AP blood if I were scum reading him.

pedit: I don't remember specifics of the attack, just the pretty arrows of RBD defending mastin and attacking whomever she attacked.

I think maybe you should review their iso or something. they've mentioned tammy/titan in 27 posts.

I think they've mentioned me more often, and iirc they've for the most part of day 1 had me as less town than Tammy/Titan.

[Just Sheep Us]

ffery, let me draw you a pretty objectives hierarchy:

Tier 1 objective:

Town Wincon.

Tier 2 objectives:

1) Lynch Scum
2) Remove Noise.

Now, let's look at what means objectives of "Lynch mastin," "Lynch AP," and "Lynch RBD" get us:

Lynch mastin: Fulfills 2, very likely fulfills 1.

Lynch AP: Fulfills 2 less than above objective, very unlikely fulfills 1.

Lynch RBD: Fulfills 2 the least, most likely to fulfill 1.

Now, given that I value 1 over 2 by a fairly significant weighting (noise bothers me a lot less than scum being alive), my optimal choice is to lynch RBD. Regardless of how one biases the two tier-2 objectives, lynching AP is always wrong, since lynching mastin better fulfills both objectives.

[Just Sheep Us]

I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see

I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!

VOTE: Titan

This is when I drew the "RBD attacks Titan" arrow on my diagram.

[AngryPidgeon]

*pause*

It's.
*groan*

...It's.
(I don't want to say it. I really don't.)

...It's "was".

*grimaces*
VOTE: PeregrineV.

[Just Sheep Us]

Derp. Through two, not three.

I don't know why we're starting other wagons when we can find Tammy's alignment by bringing them to L-3 before Page 5.

VOTE: Titan

good point

tammy needs to town it up quickly

vote titan

vote titan

Hi!

VOTE: kagura

Okay here's what I need from you guys. Nacho, if you're town I need to feel it. Alternatively, Bork you can obvtown up your slot ASAP please. I will stay with you, but if you value my sanity at all (and if you're town you should!), you will please just do this for me.

I briefly skimmed the first couple pages, notscience here's an awesome town tell for me. I literally just woke up, and the first thing I did was log in to this game. Though I'd love to stay and goof off I've got to go to work.

This actually feels like a scum entrance into the game. Like...I guess it's the tone? The last post isn't the type of friendly banter from town trying to scumhunt a player they know and respect; it feels like scum forcing their way into getting towncred by being confrontational and trying to make it look like town. The earlier posts also feel fake, and honestly, really not liking those self-votes.

Here's mastin's initial attack on Titan.

Notice the post counts.

[Just Sheep Us]

AP.

NO.

EYES ON THE PRIZE.

REMOVE THE SCUM THAT FUCKING DOES SHIT.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

ffery, let me draw you a pretty objectives hierarchy:

Tier 1 objective:

Town Wincon.

Tier 2 objectives:

1) Lynch Scum
2) Remove Noise.

Now, let's look at what means objectives of "Lynch mastin," "Lynch AP," and "Lynch RBD" get us:

Lynch mastin: Fulfills 2, very likely fulfills 1.

Lynch AP: Fulfills 2 less than above objective, very unlikely fulfills 1.

Lynch RBD: Fulfills 2 the least, most likely to fulfill 1.

Now, given that I value 1 over 2 by a fairly significant weighting (noise bothers me a lot less than scum being alive), my optimal choice is to lynch RBD. Regardless of how one biases the two tier-2 objectives, lynching AP is always wrong, since lynching mastin better fulfills both objectives.

I agree with you re the hierarchy of objectives, but we part ways in a very fundamental way on the RBD read.

This reminds me a little of the indie upick micro and what your desp scumread did to my impression of your reads overall. :/

[Just Sheep Us]

I flipped on that read eventually.

That was also the game where everyone called me bad for my Grimgroove read that formed around the same time that actually ended up being right so...

[AngryPidgeon]

3) His role takes away one town vote. Rancid's role requires one less vote to lynch. What do you think of that?

So uh this is also just bad and the use of setup spec to make a connection case on D1 in a game that is role madness-y is just also no.

And I dont see how this makes sense to you.

And Im also going to say this despite me not usually liking 'slip' cases. Why is mastin's vote a TOWN vote?

[AngryPidgeon]

REMOVE THE SCUM THAT FUCKING DOES SHIT.

That would be Carbon fiber if we are removing obviously bullshitting evasive wall scum Today.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I flipped on that read eventually.

That was also the game where everyone called me bad for my Grimgroove read that formed around the same time that actually ended up being right so...

That was kinda my point. I almost wrote something about it earlier but decided it was meh.

If you're town, I don't want to discount everything because I disagree vehemently on one or two things.

That's true of all my townreads.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

CF, I don't remember if you ever said what specific impressions changed when you reread Tammy - what posts you reinterpreted, etc. If it's in your iso could you link it?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

CF, I don't remember if you ever said what specific impressions changed when you reread Tammy - what posts you reinterpreted, etc. If it's in your iso could you link it?

[Just Sheep Us]

AP, you mean mastin and RBD.

And ffery, go read RBD's posts. I even quoted two incredibly relevant posts for you to look at.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

AP, you mean mastin and RBD.

And ffery, go read RBD's posts. I even quoted two incredibly relevant posts for you to look at.

Yes you did. An early vote.

Are you of the school of thought that voting or FoSing Tammy early day 1 is a scum claim?

[Just Sheep Us]

I'm saying that mastin's shit push was shit.

And that RBD backed that shit push, as they have all of mastin's shit pushes.

Is that really unclear, because I've stated it fairly plainly a metric fuckton of times at this point.