- who's denying you reads exactly?In post 2137, MathBlade wrote:Denying me reads (or spew if you think I am scum) is anti town.
Keeping focus on my game seems rather pointless.
If you and I are both town you’ll either have to break and vote me or catboi scum has to vote one of us and we hammer.
Who know that i don't know how to read themIn post 2148, skitter30 wrote:keep (with two players i don't know how to read)
The denying reads is in response to this.In post 2136, skitter30 wrote:If a question isnt directed at someone in particular people might just ignore it. I don't think it has any broader implications and it's reach-y that you're trying to create someIn post 2133, MathBlade wrote:What I can tell is that when people ignore me there’s usually a reason so I need to find that catalyst. In that there’s the reason.
As of this second, yes and yes.In post 2151, skitter30 wrote:Math: am i scum in the keep to you rn?
If you had to vote someone rn would it be catboi?
As scum, her primary and arguably only goal would be to get voted. She would be informed of your alignment, and know that making you not want to vote her is directly counter to her primary goal and gains her very little.In post 2147, MathBlade wrote:I think we see the same reasoning and reach a different conclusion.
I think town!Skitter would want me to vote her. I think her approach isn’t going to make me vote her. I think that’s because she’s not town skitter so she’s not taking a town approach
Actually noIn post 2154, MathBlade wrote:As of this second, yes and yes.In post 2151, skitter30 wrote:Math: am i scum in the keep to you rn?
If you had to vote someone rn would it be catboi?
But I don’t plan on voting as established earlier. It’d be extremely antitown to do so when Catboi should be the one voting.
How am i denying you anything, i'm making a statement that your prior statement abt nobody responding to your question was reaching.In post 2153, MathBlade wrote:The denying reads is in response to this.In post 2136, skitter30 wrote:If a question isnt directed at someone in particular people might just ignore it. I don't think it has any broader implications and it's reach-y that you're trying to create someIn post 2133, MathBlade wrote:What I can tell is that when people ignore me there’s usually a reason so I need to find that catalyst. In that there’s the reason.
Players were responding to other generalized statements but ignoring mine so I was sorting why.
It’s already increasingly difficult to play in ways I haven’t before. Ignoring posts makes it even more so.
Premise 1: Town players have a town mindset.In post 2160, Coral wrote:You say you're more of a logic-based person. Can you please explain the logic of how you're reaching a different conclusion here?
It so far hasn't seemed like you have much intention of bouncing things off a sounding board and actually having any serious reassessment of if your reads are reasonable or not. You've only ever doubled down and taken any pushback as a sign that scum is trying to discredit your correct reads. That makes me disinclined to be interested in putting in the effort to attempt to do so only to result in both of us frustrated with the other and nothing actually changing.In post 2158, MathBlade wrote:No one responding to me asking about Chara is in effect denying me the ability to sort it. I can’t bounce off the sounding board to see if my reads are reasonable or not.
For the tenth time is not all about you.In post 2161, skitter30 wrote:I can't control the fact that nobody respinded to your statement abt chara?
I think that derivihg any meaning out of that lack of engagemt is reach-y, so i said so, yes
The original statement was around since saturday, idk how i'm denying anybody anything ?
We disagree on your premise 2. My premise is that skitter is following a town mindset. Break that down further -- what would skitter's mindset be as scum and as town, and why is her current mindset more likely to be scum?In post 2162, MathBlade wrote:Premise 1: Town players have a town mindset.In post 2160, Coral wrote:You say you're more of a logic-based person. Can you please explain the logic of how you're reaching a different conclusion here?
Premise 2: We agree Skitter is not following a town based mindset. (2143) As Skitter is not attempting to get me to vote her she’s not doing what town Skitter would be doing.
Conclusion: Skitter is not town.
How I see your premises:
Premise 1: Scum players try to mimic a town mindset.
Premise 2: Skitter is being antagonistic which is the opposite of a cooperative mindset.
Conclusion: Skitter isn’t trying to look town therefore she is town.
I did have some after the albeit rocky start where you and I play differently and it was literally pudding me off because anytime I tried to play in a way I am used to you’re all like “I have to play this way” so bouncing off ideas at that moment was toxic.In post 2163, Coral wrote:It so far hasn't seemed like you have much intention of bouncing things off a sounding board and actually having any serious reassessment of if your reads are reasonable or not. You've only ever doubled down and taken any pushback as a sign that scum is trying to discredit your correct reads. That makes me disinclined to be interested in putting in the effort to attempt to do so only to result in both of us frustrated with the other and nothing actually changing.In post 2158, MathBlade wrote:No one responding to me asking about Chara is in effect denying me the ability to sort it. I can’t bounce off the sounding board to see if my reads are reasonable or not.
If you would like my opinion, I don't think that the "hedging" was scummy. I'm hedging on the Wall heavily, and I'm town. I'm even hedging on the Keep by trying to sort between which of you and skitter I have fewer doubts on, despite being fairly confident that catboi is the scum. I just don't see it as a scummy thing to do here. I see it as trying to sort and give the full nuance of its opinions. I don't townread it for the post, because it could be scum hedging, but I don't see any reason to assume it couldn't come from town.
I guess I don’t follow your post?In post 2166, Coral wrote:We disagree on your premise 2. My premise is that skitter is following a town mindset. Break that down further -- what would skitter's mindset be as scum and as town, and why is her current mindset more likely to be scum?In post 2162, MathBlade wrote:Premise 1: Town players have a town mindset.In post 2160, Coral wrote:You say you're more of a logic-based person. Can you please explain the logic of how you're reaching a different conclusion here?
Premise 2: We agree Skitter is not following a town based mindset. (2143) As Skitter is not attempting to get me to vote her she’s not doing what town Skitter would be doing.
Conclusion: Skitter is not town.
How I see your premises:
Premise 1: Scum players try to mimic a town mindset.
Premise 2: Skitter is being antagonistic which is the opposite of a cooperative mindset.
Conclusion: Skitter isn’t trying to look town therefore she is town.
Your assessment of my premises are also incorrect. I think that her trying to cooperate with you as scum would not be due to mimicking a town mindset, it would be to appease you and get you to vote her, because it is incredibly predictable that if she did not, you would scumread her for it. I don't believe that is actually what she would do as town, though.
You made this convo abt me ... >.>In post 2164, MathBlade wrote:For the tenth time is not all about you.In post 2161, skitter30 wrote:I can't control the fact that nobody respinded to your statement abt chara?
I think that derivihg any meaning out of that lack of engagemt is reach-y, so i said so, yes
The original statement was around since saturday, idk how i'm denying anybody anything ?
I was asking the game to get conversation going on a slot I had trouble reading.
Not responding at that moment until I brought it up again is bad.
That’s where I think you’re wrong.In post 2169, Coral wrote:Not necessarily in this game. Town has different goals here. She as town has it confirmed that exactly one of you and catboi is scum. Her goal here is to sort between which one of you it is. If she thinks you're more likely to be scum (she does), then why would she be trying to townblock with you? She would only be trying to townblock with you if she were scum and were informed of your alignment.