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[iDanyboy]

Yes, I read the post. When he says "don't lynch me until Friday," that's a pretty clear sign that he is reading the thread and chose not to respond to his accusers

yet

. Claiming seems prudent in that situation.

Let's take a step back, I don't understand why you scumread him? For being to busy to post?

I think flub is probably town so it's a bad push in my book.

So you've gone from flub scum to flub idiot to flub town how?

If scum are pushing someone as scum they are probably town.

I'm assuming your talking about Sephiroth pushing Flubber.
Timeline: Post 19: Sephiroth votes Flubber, Post 68: TwoInAMillion votes Flubber, Post 77: Sephiroth unvotes, Post 164: TwoInAMillion votes Sephiroth.
You voted Flubber after Sephiroth voted him so how can you now use the argument that you scum read Sephiroth for voting Flubber who you know town read because scum Sephiroth voted Flubber.

[Lalendra]

Again, I scumread him for being too busy to post when he knew that he was being wagoned and somehow had the time to come in and post something that was not in any way helpful in terms of his own defense. Not posting =/= not posting anything worthwhile informationally.

[Lalendra]

Like if someone comes in and just says "prodge, catching up" or doesn't post at all, that's one thing. But to come in, acknowledge that there is a wagon forming on you, and not say anything in your own defense - but write up a post which includes other game info - just struck me as weird. I'm finding it odd that you are tunneling on this so hard.

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think I threw suspicion on you, in fact I think I was defending you when others were suspecting you because of what you posted, but that's fine.

Blatant lie.

Really not liking Flub's last post, it's really aggressive on the one hand while also admitting to not really giving a shit about the game on the other. If you're town imma need you to do better than that.

[Flubbernugget]

Cool I have three scum reads now

[iDanyboy]

Like if someone comes in and just says "prodge, catching up" or doesn't post at all, that's one thing. But to come in, acknowledge that there is a wagon forming on you, and not say anything in your own defense - but write up a post which includes other game info - just struck me as weird. I'm finding it odd that you are tunneling on this so hard.

He did make a defense just not a good one, he said it was a reaction test. I'm struggling to see the distinction between Not posting =/= not posting anything worthwhile informational. I would agree with you if he was doing it often but in a one off case where he did try to give some information so it makes just as much sense that his too busy and only had enough time for that one post.
I still don't understand your logic in putting Wossi to L-1 which could lead to a lynch while you still wanted to analyze Flubbers wagon which was the main problem I had with your post.

[iDanyboy]

Like if someone comes in and just says "prodge, catching up" or doesn't post at all, that's one thing. But to come in, acknowledge that there is a wagon forming on you, and not say anything in your own defense - but write up a post which includes other game info - just struck me as weird. I'm finding it odd that you are tunneling on this so hard.

He did make a defense just not a good one, he said it was a reaction test. I'm struggling to see the distinction between Not posting =/= not posting anything worthwhile informational. I would agree with you if he was doing it often but in a one off case where he did try to give some information so it makes just as much sense that his too busy and only had enough time for that one post.
I still don't understand your logic in trying to lynch Wossi while you still wanted to analyze Flubbers wagon which was the main problem I had with your post.

EBWOP

[skitter30]

Wavemode's misrepresentation of skitter's scum read on wosi as a function of time as opposed to events is extremely dishonest. I expect a wosi scum flip to implicate wave.

Wave is probably town because I'm only taking issue with one of their pushes. Even if I don't like their pushes, as per their recollection of the game I played with him I'm willing to offer the benefit of the doubt that there's a method to their madness.

I feel like these two quotes don't really match exactly. You vehemently dislike Wave's argument and accuse him of misrepping me to the point where you make assocatives between scum!wossi and wave, but I kinda feel like the strength of this sentiment was walked back in the second quote after people pushed back against the initial quote.

I don't like that Wossi has checked in since the wagon really built on him (190) and still hasn't felt the need to claim. If he's town I think he needs to do that, and RL can't be the issue here because it takes less time to claim than it did to write up that post

I agree that it kinda looks like Wossi is lurking a bit, but he did state that he was busy irl and that he would be here tomorrow. I disagree that he needed to claim during that post, as I don't think anyone was planning on lynching him before he got back.

I almost feel like you're voting him to pressure him to claim, which I think is premature since he said he'd be here tomorrow. I don't think your vote on him is accomplishing much, since I think we need to listen to his defense before we decide whether to let the lynch (and the presumable claim) happen.

Yes, I read the post. When he says "don't lynch me until Friday," that's a pretty clear sign that he is reading the thread and chose not to respond to his accusers yet. Claiming seems prudent in that situation.

To be fair, the last time he posted, he was at L-2, and just a cursory skimming of the thread would indicate that a lot of people are finding him sketchy. I find it plausible that he might have time to skim along but not post a reasonable defense.

I'm more interested in why you're having a problem with 190 and not 117, when he was also at L-2, and was engaging with the thread, but didn't feel the need to post any sort of reasonable defense or rebuttal. In 190, he said he was busy irl, which is why he wasn't posting. In 117, he was similarly in a place where a lot of people were open to wagoning him, was active in the thead, but deliberately ignored most of the points raised against him.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't like how much time Wossi is taking to fakeclaim, I am willing to hammer if needed.

[iDanyboy]

There's no reason for him to claim and there's no reason for you to hammer we got (expired on 2017-11-26 15:00:00) left before we need to lynch.

[TwoInAMillion]

Of course he should claim
If he's at l-1. And I didn't say I would hammer, I said I was willing to depending on the circumstances. Caught scum is caught scum.

[iDanyboy]

Of course he should claim
If he's at l-1. And I didn't say I would hammer, I said I was willing to depending on the circumstances. Caught scum is caught scum.

His at L-2. There are no circumstances that require hammer when we have so much time left and a lot of lurkers. What do we get from his claim?
How is he caught in your eyes? You haven't indicated at all that you found him scummy and you even said the reasons for voting him were weak.

[TwoInAMillion]

I never said that about wossi. Reread the thread.

[Flubbernugget]

Skitter

I note pre flip associatives sometimes, but it would be stupid to incorporate those into my reads.

[iDanyboy]

Not convinced that the miller claim is real, leaning towards it being fake. Also not convinced that it's AI if it's fake. I could see scum!Taco claiming it based on how Mini Normal 1946 worked out. I can also see town!Taco fake-claiming it for the lolz. I have little to no confidence in my ability to read him.

Taco, why are you pushing HEM atm?

Chip, why are you making a series of RVS votes and unvotes? What do you think about the Flubber thing?

Implosion, I like your posting, and agree with most of it. Why the townlean on Tacos?

Scumlean on wossi.

VOTE: wossi

Nothing with my reasoning. Both of these votes have weak reasoning.

Right here, I even asked you after this to go through her ISO and you ignored it and you instead voted Sephiroth for some circular logic. So why would I believe that you found Wossi scummy?

I'm assuming your talking about Sephiroth pushing Flubber.
Timeline: Post 19: Sephiroth votes Flubber, Post 68: TwoInAMillion votes Flubber, Post 77: Sephiroth unvotes, Post 164: TwoInAMillion votes Sephiroth.
You voted Flubber after Sephiroth voted him so how can you now use the argument that you scum read Sephiroth for voting Flubber who you know town read because scum Sephiroth voted Flubber.

VOTE: TwoInAMillion

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't know what you're getting at. The weak reasoning was believing a miller claim to be fake just for the sake of it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh my god, Flubb is town
wavemode is probably town
sephiroth is probably town
skitter is probably town
2inaMil could be town
iDanyBoy could also be town
haven't made up my mind yet about wossi
Serg is still the annoying fucktwat back in Newbie 1804
implosion could be scum
chip butty could also be scum
Wicked is probably scum

gut reads based on ISO readings i just want to be back on the game

VOTE: Wicked

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: That is a quote from a thread where I posted what I'm supposed to post here.

Here's another post with the same content.

Oh my god, Flubb is town
wavemode is probably town
sephiroth is probably town
skitter is probably town
2inaMil could be town
iDanyBoy could also be town
haven't made up my mind yet about wossi
Serg is still the annoying fucktwat back in Newbie 1804
implosion could be scum
chip butty could also be scum
Wicked is probably scum

gut reads based on ISO readings i just want to be back on the game

VOTE: Wicked

[humaneatingmonkey]

Has there any claimings, wagons, I missed? Anyone kind enough to put me back into the game?

[iDanyboy]

I don't know what you're getting at. The weak reasoning was believing a miller claim to be fake just for the sake of it.

my bad Post 225 is wrong. UNVOTE:
Why do you find Wossi scummy?

-SNIP-

Can you expand on why Flubb/Wave/2IAM town and Implosion scum?

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't know what you're getting at. The weak reasoning was believing a miller claim to be fake just for the sake of it.

my bad Post 225 is wrong. UNVOTE:
Why do you find Wossi scummy?
It seems like the more pressure he is getting the more lurking he is doing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't know what you're getting at. The weak reasoning was believing a miller claim to be fake just for the sake of it.

my bad Post 225 is wrong. UNVOTE:
Why do you find Wossi scummy?

-SNIP-

Can you expand on why Flubb/Wave/2IAM town and Implosion scum?

Gut. And also, they're the most natural sounding. Scum sound so forced and pandering.

[skitter30]

Has there any claimings, wagons, I missed? Anyone kind enough to put me back into the game?

I think you were here for the buildup of the wossi wagon. There's a lot of support for it, and he hasn't really posted much of consequence since then; he's said he's busy until tomorrow.

Wave thinks he's town and started a push on wicked, which a lot of people had a lot of questions about. Lalendra asked Wossi to claim this morning.

Serg fake-claimed miller a while back, and retracted it.

FWIW, I agree with you on Flubber; he's actually one of my stronger townleans.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lol we should just policy lynch Serg at this point. The motivation for that fake claim sounds like it was to earn early conf town points but retracted it because it didn't work.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay. Is there a scum day chat yes or no? Someone should answer this with subtlety.