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Post Post #2325 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:32 pm

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With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-08-02 18:00:00).
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Post Post #2326 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:28 pm

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In post 1078, Menalque wrote:I can get behind a pink lynch but I think it makes more sense to do gamma first

I think if gamma!scum it's v likely that pink!scum

I think if pink!scum it's harder to draw conclusions about gamma!scum

why do you prefer pink?
In post 2172, Menalque wrote:Why the hell are we talking about lynching RP when gamma is still alive?

There’s my whole case which a whole bunch of us were on board with

There’s the fact that PB got nightkilled

There’s the fact that a red flip on gamma strongly implies scum!creature, a slot that I am genuinely baffled by how it can be so full of nothing and yet townread

Like does creature normally do this much absolute fuck all as town?

And gamma also helps us sort RP. I still think that gamma red basically clears RP bc he was pushing hard there so early on
What happened here @Menal
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Post Post #2327 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:36 pm

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I was getting ready to refute the vote tally thing but...hunh. I guess I haven’t voted before now.

It’s kind of immaterial, as I’ve been pushing Chemist since at least D2. I was also prepared to vote DP and RP at various points, but did not for good reasons.

The problem is that I’ve been behind and outdated for a while. As for having never seen someone post outdated reads...get out more. It’s unusual, but hardly original.
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Post Post #2328 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:05 pm

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In post 2252, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2212, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2211, Creature wrote:
In post 2073, Creature wrote:Probably we have Pine scum.
In post 2080, Creature wrote:Pine + Elements + RedPanda?
In post 2106, Creature wrote:or maybe it's just Menalque + Pine + someone somewhat obvious and we're all fucking around.
In post 2117, Creature wrote:
In post 2081, Gamma Emerald wrote:You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw
He has been on the sidelines all game?
Expressing a read =/= a reason for a read.

Thus far, your Pine SR seems based on:
1. His sideline play
2. His DP scumread
3. ?
Pine cut in and derailed the conversation before Creature could respond.

Creature didn't have a convincing answer for his Pine SR.
In post 2253, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Creature
Do you think this development implicates Pine if Creature flips scum?
Fyi this doesn't mean I'm quite ready to attempt to solve the game yet, that's going to be tomorrow
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Post Post #2329 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:06 pm

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In post 2279, Creature wrote:Actually I agree

VOTE: Chemist

At worst we lynch a potential LyLo liability
Why are we lynching LyLo liabilities at this stage of the game?
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Post Post #2330 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:12 pm

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In post 2328, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2252, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2212, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2211, Creature wrote:
In post 2073, Creature wrote:Probably we have Pine scum.
In post 2080, Creature wrote:Pine + Elements + RedPanda?
In post 2106, Creature wrote:or maybe it's just Menalque + Pine + someone somewhat obvious and we're all fucking around.
In post 2117, Creature wrote:
In post 2081, Gamma Emerald wrote:You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw
He has been on the sidelines all game?
Expressing a read =/= a reason for a read.

Thus far, your Pine SR seems based on:
1. His sideline play
2. His DP scumread
3. ?
Pine cut in and derailed the conversation before Creature could respond.

Creature didn't have a convincing answer for his Pine SR.
In post 2253, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Creature

Do you think this development implicates Pine if Creature flips scum?

It's possible. DP says Creature likes bussing, so a [Creature, Chemist, Pine] team seems plausible.
Fyi this doesn't mean I'm quite ready to attempt to solve the game yet, that's going to be tomorrow

What are your quick thoughts on Chemist? His wagon is at L-2 rn, so it'd be best to say something now in case he gets hammered.
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Post Post #2331 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:13 pm

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In post 2329, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2279, Creature wrote:Actually I agree

VOTE: Chemist

At worst we lynch a potential LyLo liability
Why are we lynching LyLo liabilities at this stage of the game?
Pretty sure tomorrow is lylo if we don't hit scum today.
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Post Post #2332 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:15 pm

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In post 2297, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2294, Menalque wrote:Ellitell?
What does this mean?
Person was posting less often in this game than others which makes them scum
Idk if I agree with it though
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Post Post #2333 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:19 pm

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In post 2307, Detective Pikachu wrote:
In post 2304, Creature wrote:
In post 2286, Detective Pikachu wrote:and as scum he busses heavily
?
I know you don't think of yourself as bussing heavily but you're one of the most bus happy players on site in terms of quantitative patterns :P
Btw this is BS, I've shown in another game Creature doesn't like to bus, at least not to lynch
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Post Post #2334 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:21 pm

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In post 2330, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2328, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2252, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2212, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2211, Creature wrote:
In post 2073, Creature wrote:Probably we have Pine scum.
In post 2080, Creature wrote:Pine + Elements + RedPanda?
In post 2106, Creature wrote:or maybe it's just Menalque + Pine + someone somewhat obvious and we're all fucking around.
In post 2117, Creature wrote:
In post 2081, Gamma Emerald wrote:You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw
He has been on the sidelines all game?
Expressing a read =/= a reason for a read.

Thus far, your Pine SR seems based on:
1. His sideline play
2. His DP scumread
3. ?
Pine cut in and derailed the conversation before Creature could respond.

Creature didn't have a convincing answer for his Pine SR.
In post 2253, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Creature

Do you think this development implicates Pine if Creature flips scum?

It's possible. DP says Creature likes bussing, so a [Creature, Chemist, Pine] team seems plausible.
Fyi this doesn't mean I'm quite ready to attempt to solve the game yet, that's going to be tomorrow

What are your quick thoughts on Chemist? His wagon is at L-2 rn, so it'd be best to say something now in case he gets hammered.
I don't like that lynch rn
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Post Post #2335 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:45 pm

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In post 2333, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw this is BS, I've shown in another game Creature doesn't like to bus, at least not to lynch
Are you sure that wasn't nonsense you threw out while you were scum and then you accidentally started believing yourself?
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Post Post #2336 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:48 pm

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I mean I like to go anti-bus when I rand scum.

What game have you been looking when you said I am a busser?
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Post Post #2337 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:50 pm

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In post 2335, Detective Pikachu wrote:
In post 2333, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw this is BS, I've shown in another game Creature doesn't like to bus, at least not to lynch
Are you sure that wasn't nonsense you threw out while you were scum and then you accidentally started believing yourself?
Nope, was town in that game.
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Post Post #2338 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:53 pm

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Post Post #2339 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:09 pm

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I know the data I looked at then was in favor of that conclusion
However that was maybe a year or more ago so simple size has probably increased
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Post Post #2340 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:22 am

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Pine have you actually read day2 fully?
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Post Post #2341 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:18 am

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I’m missing a few pages in the 50s but am effectively caught up. It was my intention (after the night I fell asleep at my desk) to finish those pages and post the complete thing, but it didn’t happen, so I dumped the now-outdated work in progress into the thread.

Thought process and insight are always valuable, even if outdated. I’m not sure what bug is up your ass about this, or if you’re just being obstreperous.
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Post Post #2342 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:21 am

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Because I don't get your creature read even using your own standards.

and btw I think I'm bleeding town too

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Post Post #2343 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:13 am

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In post 2292, Menalque wrote:I still wanna know why chem is better than gamma

Yeah, chem!scum is a good flip

But I don’t think chem!town is v useful going into lylo

So I’d rather vote gamma who has I think better odds of being scum (or I think even if you’re not as sold as me the you have to say similar) but whose flip has much more informational quality
I think I agree with this. If gamma flips town we can always push on chemist tomorrow
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Post Post #2344 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:46 am

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In post 2326, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1078, Menalque wrote:I can get behind a pink lynch but I think it makes more sense to do gamma first

I think if gamma!scum it's v likely that pink!scum

I think if pink!scum it's harder to draw conclusions about gamma!scum

why do you prefer pink?
In post 2172, Menalque wrote:Why the hell are we talking about lynching RP when gamma is still alive?

There’s my whole case which a whole bunch of us were on board with

There’s the fact that PB got nightkilled

There’s the fact that a red flip on gamma strongly implies scum!creature, a slot that I am genuinely baffled by how it can be so full of nothing and yet townread

Like does creature normally do this much absolute fuck all as town?

And gamma also helps us sort RP. I still think that gamma red basically clears RP bc he was pushing hard there so early on
What happened here @Menal
Don’t misrep, this is from before the huge gamma/pink blowout
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Post Post #2345 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:49 am

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Also don’t think I like pine ignoring me about creature
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Post Post #2346 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:52 am

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@elements I don’t like locking chemist in as lynch if gamma flips town bc there’s a chance that he’s just playing bad

But in principle that seems pretty good for now

But what happened to your concern that scum are happy with both lunches?
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Post Post #2347 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:53 am

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In post 2345, Menalque wrote:Also don’t think I like pine ignoring me about creature
Ignoring you about fucking what? I explained myself, you just didn’t understand.
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Post Post #2348 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:56 am

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Hi I think I'm getting close to a solve
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Post Post #2349 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:58 am

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Why is your meta argument not shit?

What do you consider scumhunting?

How does what creature’s done fit with that?

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