Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[Shirou]

[Ydrasse]

okay lol

guess i’ll leave so i can’t ruin things anymore

[Shirou]

UNVOTE:

GL let me ask you a question before deciding for sure what doing today:

what would be your read on me if redtea flipped town?

[Shirou]

I was gonna wait until tomorrow but I think maybe I'm ready to bet the entire game on something depending on how you answer the above

[catboi]

Searching for a replacement for Ydrasse.

[GuiltyLion]

UNVOTE:

GL let me ask you a question before deciding for sure what doing today:

what would be your read on me if redtea flipped town?

lol, is this an attempt at trying to throw what you *already did* back at me if I say scum? YOU already said you scumread me regardless of redtea's flip, so there's no way you can act like it's scummy for me if I do the same

cause frankly I haven't liked most of your posts today and I think I'd scumread you either way. As I said in my last reads post, I have all of AL/fua/Ceph as "barring insane extreme shenanigans, I can't see myself voting these slots ever" tier townreads. I think Meg/Tejate are townie regardless of redtea flip.

I think numberQ is fairly townie but largely I don't see why he as scum would claim N1 cop and clear his top suspect - it's not the best point, he could still be scum, but I find it less likely

Ydrasse I have a pet theory on I'm waiting to see how she plays D3 when she can't coast off the doc claim, but I think she's felt tonally different than my most recent game with her when she was scum

morph I don't have a confident read on, I put a lot of stock in AL finding them generally townie, and I

really

like that they also indicated doubts/backing off of Tejate when they did. I don't see any scum agenda there, but I do have respect for their scumgame

Implosion feels agenda-y. You feel agenda-y. And redtea frankly I have a really hard time seeing as town in any universe because my townblock is quite large.

So yeah, I'm probably scumreading you regardless of redtea's actual alignment. The main thing being I don't see three scum outside of you/redtea if both are town. I'd have to be

significantly

off in my assessment of the game, it would require basically all of my nulls to be scum

But I don't think I am, and I don't think redtea is flipping town either, so let's get on with it

p-edit: oh

[Amazonian Legends]

Uh?

Sorry!

I don’t enjoy being trolled and just wanted it to stop.

[Tejate Raichu]

Don't blame yourself, I think the frustration is understandable. If it's any consolation I think you've been fun to play with.

[GuiltyLion]

yeah Ydrasse repping out like that kinda ends a theory I had for why she was playing this way, but I'm also not sure she'd do that as scum?? probably shouldn't read into it but eh. we'll see what the replacement says but I still don't think that's a good wagon today

[Tejate Raichu]

Speaking of which, I think you're in a unique position here seeing as you'd pretty confirmed. What's your take on this whole series of recent events? Particularly regarding the discussion Shirou, myself, and GuiltyLion have been involved in.

[Shirou]

yeah, GL is scum

I'm a night 3 cop and I'm leashing my cop on GL

we're no eliminating tomorrow

if I die tonight you eliminate GL or you're game throwing

that's kinda it.

In my opinion we should also stop following this and just eliminate ydrasse but /shrug

If my result on GL is a inno I can self-vote if he wishes me to. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be an inno though.

By the way that's why I was hinting that I "trusted a cop to check on GL". Because duh, I was the cop and I was gonna check him.

I kinda think it's a waste to check him right now tbh though because we could just eliminate him and me check someone else but eh, I don't have enough energy to try to convince people of that.

Also I think redtea is town due to the fact he's pushing it yeah

[GuiltyLion]

redtea is a lingering of me thinking their approach to the game is more sensible as detached town than detached scum. Like look at this page, I just don't think detached scum would typically have this little care about how they're perceived.

on the whole, how much do you really believe this? Like would you bet the game on redtea being town? Would you say you're more confident in me being scum than redtea?

I can vibe/understand your gamestate points about me feeling like I could be the active scum, but I think it's really dangerous/bad to be making gamestate views as the foundation for your sort on a hard-to-sort player (me) when you're simultaneously making base assumptions like town!redtea for

really

spurious reasoning. I don't see anything at all that makes me think redtea's play isn't just lazy scum faking apathy for townpoints.

It might be partially unfair to accuse you of lacking nuance on redtea but posts like this make me feel like it. Who the heck "fakes apathy for townpoints"??? Like I could see redtea being scum who is apathetic about the game, but what kind of scum who is genuinely engaged in the game will then fake apathy because they think apathy will look townier than them engaging with people. That just sounds absurd to me, apathy is usually not viewed as townish.

also I was rereading and this post is misreppier than I initially identified

because in the exact post implosion is quoting, I say "

LAZY

scum faking apathy for townpoints"

but implosion says
"what kind of scum

who is genuinely engaged in the game

will then fake apathy because they think apathy will look townier than them engaging with people"

and I never said redtea was genuinely engaged in the game, like I literally said in my post, they'd be playing lazy

[GuiltyLion]

yeah, GL is scum

I'm a night 3 cop and I'm leashing my cop on GL

we're no eliminating tomorrow

if I die tonight you eliminate GL or you're game throwing

that's kinda it.

In my opinion we should also stop following this and just eliminate ydrasse but /shrug

If my result on GL is a inno I can self-vote if he wishes me to. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be an inno though.

By the way that's why I was hinting that I "trusted a cop to check on GL". Because duh, I was the cop and I was gonna check him.

I kinda think it's a waste to check him right now tbh though because we could just eliminate him and me check someone else but eh, I don't have enough energy to try to convince people of that.

Also I think redtea is town due to the fact he's pushing it yeah

lol, go ahead and cop me, if you're town it'll be green I promise

and if you're scum, you're gonna claim guilty tomorrow anyways. so no, we're not no-limming, we're limming scum!redtea

feels like this is a desperation effort to save the game

[GuiltyLion]

If my result on GL is a inno I can self-vote if he wishes me to. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be an inno though.

why the fuck would I ask you to self-vote if you have an inno on me

if you're scum you claim guilty on me 100% of the time, and you should know that

so this is not an honest thought here

[Shirou]

oh why am I claiming

BECAUSE GL IS SCUM

and I don't have enough energy to convince you guys in this slow ass game that he's scum, so If I die not only I get the easy way to confirm my slot that's increasingly looking like a miselimination, but also still manage to shade GL.

If GL is town I don't see why scum would nightkill me here. Tomorrow like this they would get a free no elimination day which would remove the advantage we have because we protected a townie correctly, and GL if town would still tunnel me anyway and miseliminate me even if I got an inno. "What if GL changed his mind". I think if GL changes his mind he's also scum so...?

Meg may be town

Tejate may or not be town

Right now gun to my head it's 3 out of GL/Morph/Ydra/Tejate

[Amazonian Legends]

I’m getting caught up on the day right now. I’ve skimmed to keep up with general events while at work, but haven’t actually read things in depth. I’m working on that now.

This is to raichu

(Also I’m stupid excited for the new Pokémon game coming out which is weird because I haven’t loved the previous ones I’ve played except go lol)

[Shirou]

why the fuck would I ask you to self-vote if you have an inno on me

KKKKKKKKKKK

WHY YOU THINK SCUM ME NEVER CLAIMS AN INNO ON YOU TO TRY TO WIFOM?

This is just you panicking on the fact I'm gonna have a guilty

My objective as scum would be to endgame, killing you or not is irrelevant

[GuiltyLion]

it's truly still beyond bizarre to me that anyone can be more confident in me being scum and redtea being town than the reverse situation

like Shirou, you could have just not claimed, let scum!me push a town!redtea, and then use your cop however you want and push me tomorrow

instead you preemptively claim today because you're SO SURE that I'm scum? nah mate

[GuiltyLion]

WHY YOU THINK SCUM ME NEVER CLAIMS AN INNO ON YOU TO TRY TO WIFOM?

uh, yeah. Correct play for scum on D3 is to claim a guilty and use it to brute force a miselim, especially if we've already miselimmed twice

if you're scum, claiming an inno is a bad move 100% of the time

[Shirou]

If I claim a guilty on you as scum I'm trading my slot 1:1 for you, but if I claim an inno as scum and get you to town read me, I'm closer to endgaming especially if no one would believe my guilty at all as it looks like at the moment

I think both GL/Morph may be scum right now, and at least one if not both of Meg/Tejate is kinda being derp on their read on me, so I think not delaying the claim to tomorrow is the correct play.

p-edit: wait a min

[MegAzumarill]

Claim here is misplaced if its from town

Not neccisarily scum motivated but definitely not optimal

[GuiltyLion]

it's a desperation move because I think redtea is just scum and Shirou is scum realizing he's losing

[Shirou]

WHY YOU THINK SCUM ME NEVER CLAIMS AN INNO ON YOU TO TRY TO WIFOM?

uh, yeah. Correct play for scum on D3 is to claim a guilty and use it to brute force a miselim, especially if we've already miselimmed twice

if you're scum, claiming an inno is a bad move 100% of the time

/shrug

disagree but again, we've disagreed during all game and I just think you're simply scum so

[Shirou]

it's a desperation move because I think redtea is just scum and Shirou is scum realizing he's losing

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

IT'S HILARIOUS THAT YOU THINK YOU COULD CORNER ME WITH THAT IF I WAS SCUM

HILARIOUS

[GuiltyLion]

this panic is not a good look on you dude