Mini 1822: Welcome to Typhon - Night Four

[inspectorscout]

Dont write seraphim off as town because of a single post.
Thast's all i want to say.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't like Suzune's lynch at all, I'll sheep scout before that shit happens

[Seraphim]

Checking in. I am posting from my phone, do not know when I will have stable internet access beyond my 3G.

[Suzune]

Suzune, what are your reads right now?

Working. Tired. Stupid new work programs to train people on. I tease, give me a few and I will write them up

[Suzune]

Okay there was not too much new. I disagree with the sentiment that the private topic checker and the neighborizor could not be both town. If anything I would assume that the private topic checker is the scummy role, however that is just my two cents on the matter considering we know the game has bastard elements looking for potential people in the inside helps the scum more then the town. As I do not believe, the role is intended to be a cop, otherwise, we would just have a cop. That means that there is something else that it is being used for. Logically I a few strong opinions on it and how it was played today.

I assume you would like reads that are not just a list of information, for that to be said I will need some time to type them up. I personally like that you scum read me for not caring about the teams too much frog. That makes me laugh a little. I think it is just a distraction to keep us from thinking logically, although I do appreciate Zach's ideas of using them as a short list.

[Zachstralkita]

The actual legitimate question I have is why is JaeReed townread by just about everyone?

[JaeReed]

Dont write seraphim off as town because of a single post.
Thast's all i want to say.

It's not just one post. The suzu vote early in the game then the justification for it also factor in. The only issue I had was that

The actual legitimate question I have is why is JaeReed townread by just about everyone?

Look just because you don't read my posts doesn't mean that others aren't. I'm townread because I'm town. It happens every game where I am town. The real question is why you haven't obvtowned after claiming that you do.

[JaeReed]

Dont write seraphim off as town because of a single post.
Thast's all i want to say.

It's not just one post. The suzu vote early in the game then the justification for it also factor in. The only issue I had was that the justification for the vote contained moving it to the next wagon.

Didn't finish my train of thought :/

[Zachstralkita]

Look just because you don't read my posts doesn't mean that others aren't. I'm townread because I'm town. It happens every game where I am town. The real question is why you haven't obvtowned after claiming that you do.

I believe that's a matter of opinion. Perhaps our definitions are different. Even when I obvtown there's always three or four people wanting to lynch me.


And I have read your posts. I also read your vote. On Suzune. You're not getting the attention you so rightfully deserve, I think I should help.

[JaeReed]

Look just because you don't read my posts doesn't mean that others aren't. I'm townread because I'm town. It happens every game where I am town. The real question is why you haven't obvtowned after claiming that you do.

I believe that's a matter of opinion. Perhaps our definitions are different. Even when I obvtown there's always three or four people wanting to lynch me.


And I have read your posts. I also read your vote. On Suzune. You're not getting the attention you so rightfully deserve, I think I should help.

Yeah okay. But most of my tr on you was the tone of "lol I'm gonna obvtown so I can afford this playstyle" which I thought was too confident to be a scum mindset. When you didn't end up obvtown by my definition of it I had to question the read. But I'll buy that we have different definitions. I just haven't seen enough outside of your tone to back up a townread on you. There are moments of solid content, but then you go back to shitting up the thread with dunn so it's hard to fucking remember them, dude.

My vote on Suzune is not why you're voting me. You were voting me well before I voted Suz, so try again to justify your vote because you really haven't even when asked, you've just continually deflected to the "plan" to lynch the least townie of one team and let them hammer, and the fact that the plan fell through because you tr seraphim. Which doesn't explain your vote at all.

My vote on Suzune is because out of all my townreads she is one of the weakest alongside you. I do have flips that would drastically change my reads but I'm not gonna put them down here because I don't wanna give scum the handy guide to denying me information.

[Zachstralkita]

Except I didn't directly justify it, but I did.

I had a post where I outlined that scum was on the green team in my opinion after I looked at the gamestate and said you know what? I don't think scum's on the blue team. Regardless of who thinks it's a premature judgment or not, it is the one I am sticking with today.

What I am conflicted with though, is that despite the fact that I'm one of the only people inclined to believe Seraphim's claim, I would still compromise to lynch that if more people decide Suzune's lynch should be today, because that one is one I definitely would not stand for, and I'll go into it if prompted. And that is completely omitting Seraphim's view on me. It's not factored into the equation.

But there's no need for a compromise when I have you. You just seem like the person that does quite well hiding behind a town mask when in my opinion, nothing major you've done has prompted me to believe you are actually acting in interest of the town, and of course, there's no one else that shares this belief. I only mentioned the Suzune vote because that is exactly one of the things that makes me say this.


inb4 whiteknighting


someone say it.

someone. say it.

[Zachstralkita]

And I'll quote some posts by you and go into detail to this effect for everyone's viewing pleasure when someone would do me a quick favor and stop ducking my questions on the Suzune lynch and provide a solid case, because that was what I asked for first and instead of an answer, I got " well why don't you do THIS? HSHSDMCKBXLGHSKH vote: Suzune haha zach you scummy piece of shit."

I'm not sure why no one sees this as slightly alarming, but I'm not in Infinity's camp of " well, yeah, the thing is... you really have to prove why they're town rather than me proving why they're scum, teehee. "


Welcome to Typhon, not Welcome to Mislynch, ladies and gents.

And yes, I know I am the one who spearheaded the fabulous Leonshade lynch, which I believed was a good idea at the time. But I don't see how that can be used as a valid reason to doubt my judgement when if we look at Day 1 right now, the other options for lynches would have been either copper or Infinity, if I had to make an educated guess. And as of right now, we have a greencheck on Infinity, and copper has flipped green. If one of those alternatives took place, the same thing probably could have been said about how bad the judgement of player x was, just for a different reason and obviously directed at a different person.

Regardless, the objective here is not to lynch more townies and I am doing my best to see to that. It's just confusing that I'm looking for answers and solid perspectives and getting smoke screens.

And I've heard talk of MYLO tomorrow pending a green lynch(which either I'm really stupid or my information processing center took a day off again), but then it boggles me that people are readily acquiescing to a lynch (Suzune, in this case) and not trying to find stuff out.


....Nothing wrong with that, right?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Suzune

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Suzune

[Dunnstral]

inb4 whiteknighting


someone say it.

someone. say it.

If she flips town, you were white knighting

If she flips scum then of course you wouldn't want to lynch her

[Impoetic]

@Jaereed: Thank you so much for those super helpful posts earlier. You're the best. <3 Could you elaborate on what led you to conclude that these two roles couldn't be in a game together in the first place?

That sort of speculation just leaves it open for scum to wriggle through on some shitty doubtcasting to keep me open as a lynch option. You're enabling such behavior.

Why are you implying jae isn't scum doubtcasting and planning to "wriggle through" on their own? Also you are absolutely not a lynch option today and I can't picture anyone thinking you would be, given that you'll probably be close to clear/confirmed the next game-day

I think I'd be less likely to be fooled by grapes or scout than lucian or impo.

What? Why in the world would you say grapes is less likely to be well-playing scum than Lucian or me?

As for the teams thing I had some thoughts but realized they were kind of stupid now. I'm skipping around a lot in my reread in order to try to start posting relevant content sooner -- and just getting derailed, by accident -- but right now I'm focusing ~near page 78/the start of d2. Sorry for not following up on my promise yesterday and for being so slow!

[inspectorscout]

How about
We do something useful?
This discussdion is going nowhere
It isnt dont tell me it is

We lynch suzune, okay
But if that flips green you MUST kill jaereed and seraphim
Preverably vig one lynch the other

If tomorrow zach claims to have neighborized a dead body or being roleblocked
KILL HIM ASAP

Scout peace out
(Not yet but wtf does it still matter)

[Zachstralkita]

@

That sort of speculation just leaves it open for scum to wriggle through on some shitty doubtcasting to keep me open as a lynch option. You're enabling such behavior.

Why are you implying jae isn't scum doubtcasting and planning to "wriggle through" on their own? Also you are absolutely not a lynch option today and I can't picture anyone thinking you would be, given that you'll probably be close to clear/confirmed the next game-day

I was talking to our buddy sideways 8.

I wasn't implying he " isn't " anything.

[Infinity 324]

I assume you would like reads that are not just a list of information, for that to be said I will need some time to type them up. I personally like that you scum read me for not caring about the teams too much frog. That makes me laugh a little. I think it is just a distraction to keep us from thinking logically, although I do appreciate Zach's ideas of using them as a short list.

This feels fake to me

[Infinity 324]

Jae is town because they've gone really in depth with their reads and they seem to be trying to read people instead of trying to justify their reads. Plus a bunch of things they said really resonated with me.

[Infinity 324]

Zach is actually right that there needs to be more gamespovong in this thread. From everyone, including me. Including him.

[Infinity 324]

quote="In post 1930, Infinity 324"]I think I'd be less likely to be fooled by grapes or scout than lucian or impo.

What? Why in the world would you say grapes is less likely to be well-playing scum than Lucian or me?
[/quote]

Well first of all I've seen grapes' meta

Second of all, the nitpicky detail grapes went into in explaining his reads d1 is very hard to imagine as a scum mindset

[Infinity 324]

Zach, you should explain why you townread suzune

[JaeReed]

so uh.. impo I fail at summaries and I am sorry q.q I tried to help but basically the below is just me essentially going "everything in these pages is important" :/ So 78-83 (which is how far I made it) I think the interactions and shit in there are all important. Specifically look at:

Dunn's reaction to scout's guilty, fingering Zach as the partner then saying Zach is less likely despite later claiming a PT check on Zach that returned he has a PT.
Sera's reaction to the wagon on him, the inno on Infin, and the read of reactions of ppl surrounding the inno on Infin.
Keep in mind when reading up to scout's correction of Infinity that Inf is now conftown, and scout is close to (unless you disagree that 2000 followed by 2022 makes that so - and in that case I wanna hear an explanation why).

And yes I did always fail at doing summaries at school and it should be v obvious why. I just copied everything down word for word because I suck at filtering info to figure out what isn't important.

Spoiler: trying to help impo and failinggg

Dunn's reaction in 1928 to grapes 1926 & 1927 (I find this particularly interesting if and only if Zach is town - also this doesn't come across as someone with a guilty equivalent on Zach)
Infin's 1930 summing up who copper suspected/scumread D1 for why he was killed.
1932 is interesting
1936
1939-1949 (infin and dunn, infin and zach. Knowing infin is town makes reading this interesting)

pg 78

1950-1954
1960-1974

pg 79

wtf is 1975 even supposed to mean?
1979-1982
1990-1996
1998, 1999 frog posts

pg 80

2000 scout's guilty
2003 scout setup spec (this is where mountainous spec starts)
2004 & 2005 dunn's reaction to guilty
2007, 2009, 2010 dunn continued reaction
2011-2018 (where dunn asks about possible mason with zach for the pt thing)
2019-2022 ("help your faction" pings me slightly but w/e, scout outs that he messed up in 2022, response to his new suspicion on dunn regarding that in 2023 & 2024)

pg 81

2025 my reaction to all reactions
2026 scout's reaction to my reaction
2027 my explanation
2028 seraphim's reactions, nka, vote, and response to the wagon on him
2029-2032
2034-2037
2042 sus as fuck post ;p
2043
2047-2049

pg 82

infin tries to set up a town block in 2050 which is pretty solid imo
2052-2074

pg 83

[JaeReed]

But if that flips green you MUST kill jaereed and seraphim

Is there more to this regarding Sera than Sera being the original wagon so Suzu is the counter?
Why do you believe a town!Suzune would make me scum? Do you believe my reasons for voting her are less genuine than others who are voting her, or...?