GIEFF wrote:_over9000 wrote:I already gave my reason for not immediately voting. I then voted after that conditional was met. Now, what effect on the game did delaying my vote have, exactly?
It is just plain silly to read 8 pages, then post a response, and then read the 9th page after this response. It seems VERY unlikely to me that this is actually what you did, which makes your initial answer for not voting CR ("I hadn't finished reading so I didn't know if ClockworkRuse was close to being lynched") a lie.
It's very interesting to me that _over9000 did the same thing that militant was voted for; failure to explain the reasoning for not voting (not unvoting in militant's case), realizing the reasoning was flawed, and then "appeasing" to cover up this faulty logic.
HoS over9000
. I am OK with an _over lynch at this point, but I would really like to hear some more from infamous.
ClockworkRuse wrote:GIEFF wrote:I'd still like to hear your thoughts on some of the questions I've asked you, Clockwork,
especially your reasons for voting militant and unvoting hambargaz
, although this isn't all. Although militant is back down to L-3 now I think, and infamous is now at L-2, I'd still like to hear people's thoughts on the 4 reasons to suspect militant that I outlined earlier.
Working on it, I've been a little side-tracked by other games recently. Expect an answer later tonight.
This was 5 days ago; I understand you're busy with other games, but I just thought I'd remind you. Here is your last post about hambargaz, for your reference:
Post 103
Good posting. =D I'm not going to say I never got around to it on purpose, I just kind of forgot about your question. I'm getting to it right now;
Please let me know if I have mis-characterized your reasoning. As this wagon is close to lynching, I would like to get EVERYONE's thoughts on the above 4 reasons. I will start:
1 - Active lurking. I disagree with this; could hambargaz or Xtoxm please explain further? Militant was just responding to Clockwork's request for discussion, as far as I can tell.
2 - Random vote left on too long. I agree with this.
3 - Appeasement. I agree. At first I thought the "opinion" referenced was militant's opinion about why he voted for me, but I now see that it refers to militant's opinion about not removing random votes until a better target presents itself. However, I feel that appeasement with regards to policy (i.e. metagame) is less scummy than appeasement with regards to the reasons behind a lynch (which is what I thought was initially meant by the appeasement charge). Do you agree with this, Clockwork and uri?
4 - Withholding scummy evidence. I disagree. I believe militant is referring to his accusation that hambargaz was himself lurking when he accused militant of active-lurking. Your quote of militant in post 193 was referring to hambargaz' accusations that militant
was reading his posts with bias.
I think I answered the first part of your question earlier, about unvoting ham and going with Militant. It was that at first, I had my suspicions about the way he reacted to my self-vote. He didn't attack the wagon, he didn't exactly praise it. He just said 'You self-voted to start discussion.' Adding nothing at all, which to me was active lurking, or an attempt to post the minimal amount of content.
The second, the appeasement, was about his unvoting. Not so much discussing after I said so anymore, because that was moving into a tunnel vision on him and I'm trying to avoid that at all costs. The appeasement came with his unvoting his random vote.
I disagree that holding a random vote for 'too long' is scummy. It's a null tell, there isn't a benefit to scum Militant for holding a vote that long and there isn't a benefit for town Militant either.
And I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say "Withholding Scummy Evidence." It's been a while since you've asked me these so I may need to re-read back to this. It may be that the title of the point is misleading though. From what I understand, Militant basically countered hamz accusation of active lurking with one of lurking. I may have to go back and check that out to really finalize my opinion on the matter.