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[HighPrincessErinys]

my ass forgot about the game starting

[AniX]

Couple quick thoughts:

We should definitely be executing someone today, I don't think even a random kill can ever be a worse idea than the 1/4 chance there's a vortox in play and we lose the game.

Ideally we try and keep the number of nominations/number of people who vote today at a healthy split for the flower girl and town crier, dream scenario would be four of us vote and four of us nominate, but the chance of a witch being in play probably makes that worse and the optimal number of nominations probably becomes two or three.

We should also all give juggles at some point today regardless of role, it's just a freeroll and there's no reason not to help give cover.

Yeah, anyone who even CONSIDERS no kill today with a Vortox in play should be the kill today lol

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also it seems to be a happy scumday to AniX!

[Vanderscamp]

Also, outsiders should be very cautious about claiming in case the demon is a fang gu.
And actually at the start of the game, without any additional info, from any individual outsider's POV, the chance is actually 50% that the demon is a fang gu because in the four possible worlds we're in, there are two fang gu outsiders, no vigormortis outsiders, and one each from the other two demons.

Figuring out who the demon is from the outsider count is probably going to be pretty relevant eventually but none of the outsiders are particularly great to randomly open claim early here to say the least.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one thinks that maneuvering around this game's roles and mechanics is going to kill it but here's to trying.

[Vanderscamp]

This one thinks that maneuvering around this game's roles and mechanics is going to kill it but here's to trying.

What do you mean?

[Random Nurse]

From the way the PM examples are set-up, it doesn't look like Minions and Demon can talk privately unless they're beside each other on the list?

Yeah. Which makes me think at least the Demon

and one Minion

are next to each other, because Demon not being able to talk privately AT ALL to the minions is 1. A HUGE departure from base game that I don't think Enchant necessarily would want to make 2. Puts the Demon and Minion at a serious disadvantage.

But there' only ONE demon and ONE minion, right?

[Random Nurse]

I don't think I understand the Vote vs Nominate function.

Can't I just VOTE: Player like usual?

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one thinks that maneuvering around this game's roles and mechanics is going to kill it but here's to trying.

What do you mean?

Its considerably more high stakes considering there's a couple roles that enable evil to insta-win, not to mention if this one gets hit by madness then trying to deal with that might LITERALLY kill it. Death isn't like, the WORST in this, but still.

[AniX]

I don't think I understand the Vote vs Nominate function.

Can't I just VOTE: Player like usual?

Yes, which will automatically also nominate. Usually, you'll want to vote and nominate and so the normal process might work. The big differences is you can only nominate once, so once you use your nomination you'll have to wait for someone else to nominate before you can vote for them and certain abilities trigger on nomination (but not voting) or voting (but not nominating).

It should also be noted you can vote for as many nominated people as you like, but you can never UNVOTE even if you change your mind later and you'll have to wait for the next day for the votes to clear.

[AniX]

For example: A reason someone might nominate without voting is if town suspects there is a flower girl in play and wants to get some nominations on the record to test for Minions. A few people might want to nominate a user you have no intention of voting for just to fuel that ability.

[AniX]

From the way the PM examples are set-up, it doesn't look like Minions and Demon can talk privately unless they're beside each other on the list?

Yeah. Which makes me think at least the Demon

and one Minion

are next to each other, because Demon not being able to talk privately AT ALL to the minions is 1. A HUGE departure from base game that I don't think Enchant necessarily would want to make 2. Puts the Demon and Minion at a serious disadvantage.

But there' only ONE demon and ONE minion, right?

Correct. I forgot this game has a smaller pool, I'm used to playing with 13 people where there are multiple little Minion shits running around.

[Vanderscamp]

I don't think I understand the Vote vs Nominate function.

Can't I just VOTE: Player like usual?

Nominations are relevant for roles like town crier and witch, BOTC basically uses a form of voting designed for live play and not forums.

[Vanderscamp]

For example: A reason someone might nominate without voting is if town suspects there is a flower girl in play and wants to get some nominations on the record to test for Minions. A few people might want to nominate a user you have no intention of voting for just to fuel that ability.

Yeah, I think there's a good chance we will want to do this at some point, depending on the current votes/nominations.

[Infinity 324]

i read and still have no idea what people are talking about

what does nominating do

[Infinity 324]

the order of the playerlist is hidden? ok ig

[Infinity 324]

oh nvm

[AniX]

i read and still have no idea what people are talking about

what does nominating do

Ok, everyone has the ability to nominate ONE person and ONLY ONE person a day, which allows the person to be voted for. So nominating is using up your one "this person can be voted for" for the day. Now, usually this is no problem, because the person you want to nominate and vote for is also the person you want dead. But if you change your mind (or your choice doesn't gain traction), you'll need to rely on other people's nominations to get an elimination for the day.

[Random Nurse]

i read and still have no idea what people are talking about

what does nominating do

Ok, everyone has the ability to nominate ONE person and ONLY ONE person a day, which allows the person to be voted for. So nominating is using up your one "this person can be voted for" for the day. Now, usually this is no problem, because the person you want to nominate and vote for is also the person you want dead. But if you change your mind (or your choice doesn't gain traction), you'll need to rely on other people's nominations to get an elimination for the day.

That is very confusing.

So I can't just vote and then change my vote during the same Day?

[AniX]

You can vote for as many people as you want, but you can never unvote. So it isn't like normal Mafia where you get 1 vote and move it around. It is more that the nominations are trying to gain signatures, so to speak, and the first nom to gain the proper amount of signatures go through.

[AniX]

It sounds confusing, but it will start making sense once nominations start going up.

[PiggyGal15]

So, to people who have played this kind of game before, keeping in mind the Flowergirl and Town Crier, is it better for more or less nominations and votes? I imagine we probably want different people to nominate every day and not everyone voting on the execution? Or am I reading this wrong?

[AniX]

It is more a Goldilocks sort of thing, where you try to get a good cross-section of the site to start and then start narrowing it down.

[Vanderscamp]

Also relevant is that at the end of the day, if at least one nomination got half or more of the votes, whichever nominated player got the most number of votes gets executed, and if there's a tie for first, no one gets executed.

[Vanderscamp]

So, to people who have played this kind of game before, keeping in mind the Flowergirl and Town Crier, is it better for more or less nominations and votes? I imagine we probably want different people to nominate every day and not everyone voting on the execution? Or am I reading this wrong?

Barring more relevant reasons, which definitely might come up, I think the best strategy for those roles is to try and split the yes/no groups as evenly as possible to maximize the minimum information we can get from it.
Witch complicates it a little because in that world we want to reduce the nomination count.

Having different people nominate each day doesn't matter as much as continuing to divide up the groups, and we definitely ideally want some people to not be voting on any nominations for the day.

But there's also a large amount to be said for just voting the way we want to instead of catering to roles that may not even be in play, so I'm treating this more as a good goal that we should try to not randomly fail for no good reason, and not a rule, particularly the voting aspect.