Texas Justice - 5 players

[roffman]

really, where did u mention it in this thread?

Faerielord (2): Sirdanilot, Roffman
ZazieR (1): Faerielord
Roffman (1): ZazieR

[sirdanilot]

Zazier, what makes you think you are entitled to two random votes?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup

i am town

this game is really easy

if we randomly pick one person and have him stand aside, and then have the 4 other people shoot in a circle, we are guranteed win as long as that person we pick is a vig.

for example with A B C D E playing, if we randomly pick E, then at night,

A shoots B,
B shoots C,
C shoots D,
D shoots A.
E doesn't shoot.

Then as long as one of ABCD are scum, they will be killed at night, and since with 4 shots going off, one player must still remain alive, that must mean that as long as E is not scum, AT LEAST ONE VIG will stay alive since the mafia can either choose to shoot the vig assigned to him, or some other vig. Either way one vig will remain alive.

So one way of doing it would be to roll a dice, and whoever that dice lands on will be our standaside, and then we shoot in a circle at night. This plan gives the town 80% chance of winning which is pretty good.

However there is a way to boost this win percentage to 100%, you can all trust that I am not mafia(since mafia wouldn't share this plan) and trust me to stand aside as the token vig and pretty much auto-win that way. I know 100% that I'm vig and I think that the fact I outlined this plan that pretty much screws over the mafia should bump up my percentage in your eyes far higher as well.

Yea you can cry WIFOM and shit(and i certainly expect the scumbag to) but seriously, scum do not propose plans under which if followed they only have 20% chance to win. Be realistic.

If you trust me, we will pretty much auto-win this game and go on to the next game.

That's what I'm hoping to do.

Who's with me?

[ZazieR]

What doesn't make me think that? I have only two games in which I entered from the start. I haven't made many random votes. Let me enjoy this moment for making two random votes instead of one.<sarcasm>

Well, we have nothing to go on. Hence a new random vote to hopefully start something useful.

[roffman]

unvote vote: pooky

. great plan, i'd support anyone except your for the standaside.

[FaerieLord]

Pooky is actually right. This is easily winnable.

I say pooky stands aside really, because I didn't notice that until he pointed it out.

[ZazieR]

Pooky uses WIFOM. Naughty Pooky. Pooky then says that scum would say WIFOM. Pooky wrong. Pooky uses another time WIFOM. Zazie not trusting Pooky. Pooky asks to be trusted. Zazie not trusting Pooky.

I'll suggest that you'll be shooted as well. Then I'm with you.

[roffman]

the fact is it is commonly discussed in the mafia discussion forums. Most people on this site know that is how you win an everyone vig game. The only reason i didn't bring it up is that IMHO the person who brings it up is scum.

[roffman]

just to reiterate, i'm voting everyone besides pooky as the stand-aside

[sirdanilot]

Pooky, good plan.

Some questions though:

If A shoots b, and b is scum and shoots A, who dies?
What if the scum hit E (who doesn't shoot)?

[FaerieLord]

Why roffman?

[roffman]

D shoots A, A is scum and shoots E, therefore B lives. IF three are alive by scum shooting the person who should've of shot them, it is easily determinable who scum is

[ZazieR]

I agree with roffman here. And sirdanilot has some good questions. I don't think the scum would follow this plan.

[FaerieLord]

Just to make my question more clear

"Why the hell would scum bring up a plan that would cost him the game?"

Also, @sirdani. If scum shoot E, they're still leaving A, B, C or D alive. Also, first case scenario B and A die, but C stays alive = we still don't lose.

Ok, let's make this better.

How about we choose someone as king?

[roffman]

However there is a way to boost this win percentage to 100%, you can all trust that I am not mafia(since mafia wouldn't share this plan) and trust me to stand aside as the token vig and pretty much auto-win that way. I know 100% that I'm vig and I think that the fact I outlined this plan that pretty much screws over the mafia should bump up my percentage in your eyes far higher as well.

Yea you can cry WIFOM and shit(and i certainly expect the scumbag to) but seriously, scum do not propose plans under which if followed they only have 20% chance to win. Be realistic.

If you trust me, we will pretty much auto-win this game and go on to the next game.

That's what I'm hoping to do.

basically reads LOOK I'M SCUM, TRUST ME to me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

were you thinking of sharing anything other than your "honest opinion"

wanna tell me why scum would bring it up?

This isn't wifom

this is basic strategy.

the only way scum have to refute my plan is "wifom"

I know I'm town, so the plan in which I standaside has a 100% win rate to me, so yea i'm going to try as hard as I can to convince you guys that the plan where I stand aside should be used.

Because then we win 100% of the time rather than taking a chance on a dice roll.

Either way this is far superior to the random voting junk you guys were doing beforehand.

Don't get all paranoid on me just because you didn't point it out.

[roffman]

ok, let me stand aside, as i know i'm town and then we 100% of the time

[sirdanilot]

We will choose the stand aside by dice roll, gives us 80% chance, good enough.

I don't trust that pooky is 100% vig. A dice roll is the better option.

How about everyone of us rolls the dice, and the one with the most dice roll wins stands aside?

[FaerieLord]

Ok, let's make this simpler. Everyone, vote a concordet from towniest to scummiest. The person with the highest points is the standaside. Ok?

Pooky, Sirdanilot, ZazieR, roffman

[roffman]

and scum would bring it up completely because of WIFOM. any argument that has it's only defence and offence as WIFOM is scummy in my mind

[roffman]

i'm happy with a dice from 1-5

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the point against my plan about scum diverting from plan is utter crap.

It doesn't matter if scum divert from the plan because if scum is in the circle, then a VIG is assigned to shoot him, so regardless of what the scum does, he will be dead tommorrow morning.

And since there is a maximum of 4 shoots happening, one person HAS to survive the night, and if scum is in that circle then the survivor HAS to be town.

[roffman]

1. Faeirielord
2. Pooky
3. ZazieR
4. sirdanilot
5. Roffman

[ZazieR]

Faerielord-sirdanilot-roffman-Pooky

[FaerieLord]

i'm happy with a dice from 1-5

What the hell? Certainly not!