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[Flavor Leaf]

Actually discuss things, don’t just go “this guy’s town. This guy’s scum because...I THINK IT. Idk why.”

Figure out WHY you think that, and explain it. This helps EVERYONE. Well, except for scum.

If you think I’m incorrect, explain why, not just say “this is bad”. Because any actual analysis and thoughts is good for town at this point. There is literally zero reason to just state things are bad at this point in the game. Even just simply bringing it up is good for town.

Anyone who does other wise is Anti-town. Now put it together people, let’s do the work, and let’s win this damn game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m probably not going to budge on ScumGarmr, because it’s clear as day that he’s scum, however if you think I’m incorrect, I’d like people to explain why they think that. I’ll likely have a response to it, and we can create some discussion about that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like play the game. Why sign up for a mafia game if you don’t plan on playing it? This is the best and most complex part of the game. We actually get to analyze rather than just hope for the best and socialize like in early game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I go after Maxous before I go after AP or Saudade this day.

[RCEnigma]

Based on the VCA I think we can rule out a team of AP/XX even without Nero's/creatures push against xx. AP and Garmr only vote together on flubber but numberswise there is always 1 between them if not both. Iirc AP moved on to the wagon without really having any opinion on the slot. I don't remember Garmr's interactions with flubber early but it is something I'll look into. Don't know how necessary that is even with a mislynch here (though I doubt garmr flips green) AP becomes confscum. If 0 scum voted on flubber I would be floored.

On a red flip I would Lynch saudade first, green Lynch AP obviously.

AP very well could nk in the night if he is scum but keep in mind a no kill doesn't give town an extra Lynch if we Lynch wrong today.

Haven't agreed with FL a ton this game but I think he's right on Garmr.

VOTE: garmr

[Flavor Leaf]

I haven’t given any thought process up until this game for you to agree with. I flat out told people I was channeling my inner NM this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok I been thinking. That we should leave ap and performer slot off the lynch table day since they will sort themselves out. Going to be honest I got kinda bored of this game.

Lol.

Yeah, pretty sure it’s just Garmr and AP scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

I probably have some bias here but I still think maxous is town. His early reads were similar to mine day 1 and I have a soft spot for that but his latter reads for day 1 branched away from mine and were quite different so I don't feel like he was suckering me in.


The pace is slow this game and there's a couple of people who feel silent. Going to be a hypocrite here and say look at the number of unvotes.


VOTE: Profii

Maybe FL wasn't making the play I thought he made yesterday :p

VOTE: Nero

Nero was creature slot right enough said
VOTE: Nero

VOTE: profii

VOTE: Nero Cain
choo choo

Yeah, so Garmr brought up pushing the slot all game, but they didn’t throw down a vote until here. They went from Profii, to nero, then back to Profii real fast, and then a nero thing was brought up, and he literally goes “Choo choo”
Implying that it’s just him jumping on the train.

Also, ISO’s suggest AP/Garmr are just S/S, and they’re bussing right now.

Even if that’s not true, I actually think Maxous is town because that’s a weird play for scum to use in the situation. Mixed in with RCE’s actions, that likely means Maxous is town.

Xx has been a scape goat for scum for days, and I kind of just don’t think he makes a lot of the posts he does as scum. They aren’t newScum posts, they’re like newtown playing posts that come off looking bad.

Leaves Garmr, AP, Saudade, RCEnigma.

And I think that is the likelihood of scumminess.

[RCEnigma]

I haven’t given any thought process up until this game for you to agree with. I flat out told people I was channeling my inner NM this game.

Not regarding your thought processess, just the blind pushes (Maxous, Profii) specifically.

[Flavor Leaf]

I haven’t given any thought process up until this game for you to agree with. I flat out told people I was channeling my inner NM this game.

Not regarding your thought processess, just the blind pushes (Maxous, Profii) specifically.

Yeah, town gambit. I really just was testing to see how many people would blindly follow me.

I didn’t put any effort into this game until this day phase. I was trying to play up a VI persona and have people forget that I’m actually a late game town powerhouse, which was easy considering a failed mason gambit because i got killed previous to the start of this game, but even in that game I hard tunneled onto a scum Day 1.

Played pretty well, I think. I achieved my goal of making it near late game as confirmed town.

Do you know how long it’s been since I’ve made it without getting night killed? A LONG TIME in a non newbie game.

[Flavor Leaf]

To everyone else, yeah, I don’t have anything else to say. I’m gonna revel in my conf town for a bit longer, and then imma come in so hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was actually more channeling my Boonskiies personality this game rather than NM.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Saudade - Would you like to do the honors of hammering Garmr?

[Maxous]

I feel like a broken record about AP though to be honest.
Just not scum-hunting for large periods, reads he did make come across as weak and disingenuous, crap jump on Flubber and AtE'd three times in this game when he was under a lot of pressure.

and Garmr didn't exactly help himself the last couple of pages.
I hate writing town-cases and it's not like i can slam-dunk a reason why Garmr is definitely town.

It's not as if we're in lylo though, and i could be wrong.

[Maxous]

so fuck it.
Unless somebody has an objection we'll hammer and find out.

If i die, you know my recommendations, regardless of what Garmr flips.

Ap scum.
xx2008 was heavily bussed by his scumteam.

Particularly these quotes that came straight out of the gate on Day 3. Which looked like planning the bussing during the night to me.

I forgot alot of the finer details but I know was scum reading XX and RCE so I'm going to start there.

vote: XX

May I interest you in a slightly used scum read on XX?

[Maxous]

Saudade could technically be scum but i think he played a very risky and cheeky game if he is.
And upon my re-read he was more helpful than i remember him being at the time.
He didn't actually entirely coast off sheeping FL.
I and do think his strategy of constantly giving FL a double-vote does make pro-town sense.

[Maxous]

the most obvious reason to townread RCE is his investigative roles which are noticeably absent from everyone else.
They are limited which makes sense, i think his entire role makes sense with what we see, particularly how it complimented Performer's limited JoaT role and how both of those roles meshed well with Dva's rolestopper.
I felt like the way Nero pushed wasn't scum-scum anyway PARTICULARLY Nero accusing him of a scum slip

I guess win town points with FL, who likely doesn't make it to tomorrow anyways

He's also gonna be protected so thanks for letting us know you guys have a strongman.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Besides in general don't see any scummy flags from him to be honest. If he is scum, he's played a very solid game imo

[Maxous]

"hurr durr my posts aren't AI because they're jokes"

Lol tell me what makes a memes scummy while another null and make sure to point out my intentions. All this With out hitting a negative IQ score please.

The same way it's possible to read someone off RVS posts.

Garmr is town

hehe I remember redding him a lot

but redding someone a lot sometimes doesn't mean scum

He probably should have more greens rn

Seph - Nos slapfight seems like both town.

I'd be more confident about Sephiroth.

Creature is actually getting scummy in my book. He's keeps flailing when people ask him simple questions to explain what he wrote.

I agree with this but in reverse I'm more confident in Nos than seph. Want to join the creature wagon then apply more pressure?

garmr is still doing nothing in the pretense of "pressuring" creature because his vote is on him.

I find it hard Garmr actually believes he's pressuring me

[Maxous]

> Attackes Garmr over RVS bullshit
> buddies up to him with a town-read, when Garmr pushes back
> goes back to throwing bullshit when it doesn't work.

don't see that as buddies

[Maxous]

In general, i would be surprised if Nero din't bus at least one of his buddies.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, you said Garmr hasn’t done anything scummy with a VCA like that.

That makes it even scummier.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I disagree. The Creature/Garmr/Nero thing was S/S. They never even hard went after each other. Look at the Nero votes he did. Very rarely, and moved off as soon as he could to help the next wagons.

There dialogue is incredibly S/S with the flips we have.

I agree on RCE for the most part.

You’re either scum or have a blind spot for ScumGarmr because there’s no reason those posts should have you thinking he’s townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, Maxous, I have been stating Garmr/AP likeliest scum pairing

[Flavor Leaf]

I never disagreed with your AP read, I just wanted Garmr today. Because we lynch AP today, if I die, Garmr doesn’t necessarily get lynched.

If we lynch Garmr today, I die, well, AP is still likely to get flipped.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 5.2

xx2008(0):

Maxous(0):

Garmr(3):

Flavor Leaf

;AP;RCEnigma;

Saudade

Inferno390

(0):

AP(2):Maxous;Garmr;

Flavor Leaf(0)

:

RCEnigma(0):

NoLynch(0):

Not Voting(7):Saudade;xx2008;

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.

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