Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[MrBuddyLee]

Honestly, I think Truant's recent post has a point, but not so much some of his earlier posts on the matter.

How can he say he didn't read and then FOS someone in the same post...? That's more of what bothered me then the rest. Also, thanking the mod publicly for "not making him scum" rubbed me the wrong way. Plus his coaching.

That's what bothers me about MBL.

Posting on a phone from a ski trip, so please forgive any sloppiness. Your portrayal of my post history here is inaccurate, amrun. First post, close to right away after replacing in, didn't have the time for a full threadskim, cracked a joke. Second post, explained circumstances of first post, said now i've had time to fullskim, saw mozamis's fos, fosed him back.

Still don't have many specifics on why i'm "dodgy" or what's wrong/misleading about my analyses thus far. Starting to feel like lazy scum are settling for this crappy case that's better than having to invent a new case on someone.

Has ogml picked up a prod? Can ogml and blenblen be replaced if they're not active real soon? Their slots have unfairly coasted through d1.

[Shanba]

9) Please let me know in advance if you are going to be away. If you are inactive without warning for 48 hours, I will send a prod. If that prod is not picked up in a further 48 hours, I will search for a replacement. If you manage to contact me before I find a replacement, you can continue with your place in the game, but after I've found one it's too late.

irrespective of whether or not either player has picked up their prod, it has not been 48 hours since the prod (as seen in my post history).

That's now 48 hours since the prod, and since neither has posted I am now searching for replacements.

[Amrun]

Honestly, I think Truant's recent post has a point, but not so much some of his earlier posts on the matter.

How can he say he didn't read and then FOS someone in the same post...? That's more of what bothered me then the rest. Also, thanking the mod publicly for "not making him scum" rubbed me the wrong way. Plus his coaching.

That's what bothers me about MBL.

Posting on a phone from a ski trip, so please forgive any sloppiness. Your portrayal of my post history here is inaccurate, amrun. First post, close to right away after replacing in, didn't have the time for a full threadskim, cracked a joke. Second post, explained circumstances of first post, said now i've had time to fullskim, saw mozamis's fos, fosed him back.

Still don't have many specifics on why i'm "dodgy" or what's wrong/misleading about my analyses thus far. Starting to feel like lazy scum are settling for this crappy case that's better than having to invent a new case on someone.

Has ogml picked up a prod? Can ogml and blenblen be replaced if they're not active real soon? Their slots have unfairly coasted through d1.

I misread, then. I thought you said you hadn't had time to read and then FOS'ed without reading.

My apologies.


I'm not going to lie; I've been pretty distracted in this game. It's my anniversary weekend. I'm not really V/LA because I still read and try to post, but my boyfriend gets antsy if I spend too much time. He's sleeping right now. Two big weekends right in a row for me.

[Meransiel]

And Lynch all Lurkers is?

PJ's method is so clearly town. He is actively enforcing an activity level in the game, without any bias, which is clearly a protown intent.

I didn't say pj is scum. No, pj is 100% town. That doesn't mean that I agree with anything he is going to do.

This was obviously was in reference to PJ's method, because I don't see any other form of LaL being attempted here. So unless you are making an irrelevant point, that's what I assumed.

@whoever was talking at me: I don't find anything dodgy with BuddyLee.

No, that's the point. Thought I made it crystal clear 2-3 pages ago.

well, tell me why you are suspicious of me

Your constant defense on me, your tunneling on MBL, your casual ignoring of accusations, your complete lack of long posts i.e. actual cases and not just PI.
Shall I go on?

9) Please let me know in advance if you are going to be away. If you are inactive without warning for 48 hours, I will send a prod. If that prod is not picked up in a further 48 hours, I will search for a replacement. If you manage to contact me before I find a replacement, you can continue with your place in the game, but after I've found one it's too late.

irrespective of whether or not either player has picked up their prod, it has not been 48 hours since the prod (as seen in my post history).

That's now 48 hours since the prod, and since neither has posted I am now searching for replacements.

woot

[nopointinactingup]

Point out where MBL has lied.

I'm not sure what to think of MBL's coaching. I'm more concerned with his coaching of Mozamis, because he seems pretty sure that Moz is scum.

Gah!! How many times do I have to say this. MBL said that he did what he did to see if people are paying attention to his predecessor ( AND NOT A JOKE ). But he revealed his card when only 3 people have commented on his post, implying that is not his underlying purpose at all. When I inquire him about this he ignores admist you guys talking about how it was an obvious joke. Reread him please.

@Meransial why do you now think I am scum?

well, tell me why you are suspicious of me

ZOMG LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH this guy. There's no way a town can say this! That increase the probability that merensial is town tho.

Unvote.Vote:Mozamis

MBL continues to ignore,

PJ, please vig mozamis after his fake claim

so I can talk about how mozamis is MBL's partner in law.

[Meransiel]

The word is "amidst", not "admist".

Also, glad you want the same thing from petro which I do.

[mozamis]

mozamis wrote:@Meransial why do you now think I am scum?
mozamis wrote:well, tell me why you are suspicious of me
ZOMG LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH this guy. There's no way a town can say this! That increase the probability that merensial is town tho.
Unvote.Vote:Mozamis

MBL continues to ignore, PJ, please vig mozamis after his fake claim so I can talk about how mozamis is MBL's partner in law.

I dont understand this. What do you mean "theres no way a town can say this?" I just asked Mernasial why he thinks I am scum. And then asked him to state his supicions (which he did). Why cant town say this?
And what do you mean by "fake claim". I haven't made a fake claim

[Meransiel]

He means we will get you to L-1 and pressure you to claim. And he thinks your claim will be fake. Or that's my interpretation, dunno.

[scotmany12]

Sorry. I've been pretty busy lately. I'll try to get caught up soon.

[mozamis]

He means we will get you to L-1 and pressure you to claim. And he thinks your claim will be fake. Or that's my interpretation, dunno.

Ah, gotch ya Well, I must be pretty near to L-1 now. Could we have a vote count, please Mod, God of All Frogs

ps lol tho-thats a bit of a catch 22 ,isn't it? If i claim town, its a fake claim and I'm shot, and if i claim scum then I am lynched.
Happy days

[Meransiel]

You should never claim scum, not even if you're a jester lol. But this is a closed setting, so you can say pretty much anyway.

[Meransiel]

*you can say pretty much anything anyway

[MrBuddyLee]

Mozamis,

After you posted:

in fact, i would string buddy and scot up now if we could.
hopefully someone else can dig up the evidence on em, cos i cant be arsed atm

I posted:

Why's scotmany scum? You haven't provided a solitary ounce of evidence, and this isn't the random voting stage.

You've avoided answering this question from me several times now, and I believe a few others have asked as well.

What evidence do you have that scotmany is scum?

[Amrun]

Yes, I'd like to hear the answer to that as well.

[implosion]

I'm sorry for decreasing activity. I was busy most of today, and then marathon took over. I'll make a goodpost tomorrow morning/early afternoon.

[petroleumjelly]

Strikes to OhGodMyLife & BlenBlen (or their replacements). You are now eligible to be DayVigged if your activity drops again.

Meransiel, if you insist one more time that I DayVig you, I might very well do it. For somebody who just said “you should never claim scum,” you similarly should not tempt a guy with a daykill.

[petroleumjelly]

PROTECTOR COLUMN	mozamis	Meransiel	Truant	nopointinactingup	scotmany12
mozamis	n/a	YES	n	n	n
Meransiel	YES	n/a	n	n	YES
Truant	YES	YES	n/a	n	n
nopointinactingup	YES	YES	n	n/a	n
scotmany12	n	YES	n	n	n/a

MrBuddyLee, this is a table of the "protections" you pointed out in Post 188. Seeing as you mention so many supposed connections between players and mozamis / Meransiel so much, it feels rather disjointed that you left your vote on OhGodMyLife after that post. It's also curious how the "protections" seem to revolve around the same players in the game. Your post almost comes to the point of just assuming mozamis and Meransiel are scum; and yet your vote is currently on OhGodMyLife for -- as far as I can tell -- pretty much focusing on mozamis and Meransiel and asking others to answer questions.

In fact, your entire Post 188 seems to read, when boiled down, as:

Everybody who agrees with me is Town: high-five! Everybody who attacked me – mozamis, Truant, nopointinactingup, and Meransiel – is scum. And anybody who even suggests that any of those four are Town or fails to vote them (because they instead voted somebody else) are scum trying to protect their partner.

Can’t say I am impressed now that I’ve had more time to digest your post.

You also did not seem to squeeze the same information from the same actions. You seem to either analyze votes as meaning "not scum with the player they are voting" sometimes, and "there is a connection between who this player is

not

voting" other times. On the whole, it looks like you are looking for "non-connections" for the players you are likely not going to attack (like me), and connections for players you

are

likely to attack.

So for starters: what is your opinion of Meransiel? Please explain it “in detail” (as you have kindly asked others to do).

Unvote: mozamis, Vote: MrBuddyLee

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[mozamis]

Woohoo! That's the kind of case I wanted to make, but didnt have the "mafia know how" to do

[Shanba]

Back from my brief V/LA with meeting and greeting family

Vote count inc, as well as replacements (have the pms in my inbox )

Apokalyptica replaces OGML, darkstrike_11 replaces BlenBlen! Please welcome them to the game

[Shanba]

Vote Count:
4: mozamis

(Apokalyptica, tuncali, Meransiel, nopointinactingup)

3: Meransiel

(scotmany12, implosion, Amrun)

3: MrBuddyLee

(Truant, mozamis, petroleumjelly)

2: Truant

(Darkstrike_11, kunkstar7)

1: OhGodMyLife

(MrBuddyLee)
Not Voting:

Nae body!

Tuncali and truant are in violation of activity guidelines and are being prodded.

[implosion]

Yay replacements.

petroleumjelly, if one post is the only thing of MBL's that you find scummy, why change your vote to him from obvscum-mozamis?

Going back to this point that I had brought up so very long ago: Amished's scumtell applies to MBL in this case because there simply isn't town motivation for you to read *only* your predecessor.

Lolwat? MBL was

clearly

joking and didn't eve read his predecessor because his predecessor hadn't posted...

check out some of Buddy's old games. He's a lot nicer when he plays town.

Examples?

Petro, you can both confirm your role and not bring us closer to losing by doing this: simply put, if someone reaches L-1, you daykill him.

Decent idea. Also, just a note: we still have 3 weeks. There's no need to rush anything. pj should DEFINITELY shoot today (probably within the next week) and it'll be almost like a double day with the long deadline.

Oh, and btw I now think we should try and avoid talking about Pj's vig claim. Just keep it on the back burner as it were. Its not gonna get us any closer to finding scum.

I see no reason to ignore it. I mean, we should still focus on scumhunting, but two kills today means twice the flips means twice the mod-confirmed info about peoples' alignments.

I actually like Meransiel's vote on mozamis. It makes sense with how Meransiel's been acting, even if I still find it odd that Meransiel has been suspicious of mozamis without actually really calling him out until now. I still think they're both scum, but mozamis is climbing higher than Meransiel.

Unvote, vote: mozamis

That's L-2. No one should hammer any lynch yet though, we still have 3 weeks lol. I'm okay with Meransiel's plan of L-1 claims/dayvigging if dayvigging is determined appropriate.

[implosion]

Also,

V/LA from tomorrow (Monday) until Friday.

I'm going to be in California. I'm not sure if I'm going to have access at all (I PROBABLY will, but no guarantee) and even if I have access it's unlikely I'll be able to post frequently.

[petroleumjelly]

petroleumjelly, if one post is the only thing of MBL's that you find scummy, why change your vote to him from obvscum-mozamis?

First, I did not vote MrBuddyLee for "one post." I do not feel like I have to list

every

reason I am voting for somebody; mafia is largely a game of persuasion and pressure, and I feel that focusing on MrBuddyLee's

scummiest

post is appropriate.

Second, I am not convinced mozamis is scum, let alone "obvscum." I reread the entire game this morning (when I wrote up my MrBuddyLee vote), and although I think mozamis (and Meransiel) have done some fairly silly things, I am not convinced they are actually motivated by scummy reasons.

Third, I have good reasons to not vote the largest bandwagon at any time, or to switch my vote at the drop of a hat. In particular, if there is a hammer vote, I might die before being able to kill anybody myself. Furthermore, when I Dayvig the vote count will be reset, so it is even less important to put somebody at "L-1" or "L-2" in this game.

[Tuncali]

petroleumjelly, you keep giving out little parts of your Day Vigilante claim. Do you think you should explain fully now or wait until the correct time?

[petroleumjelly]

petroleumjelly, you keep giving out little parts of your Day Vigilante claim. Do you think you should explain fully now or wait until the correct time?

Is that really all you have to say?

There is really no point in me full-claiming. I will tell you what I think you need to know when I think you need to know it.