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Post Post #2800 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:39 am

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In post 2796, Save The Dragons wrote: what do you want me to say

i looked back at camel and thought it was a better vote

i don't know what's so hard about that
Yep, that's what i wanted you to say
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Post Post #2801 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:39 am

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the sad part is that std is probably town
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Post Post #2802 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:41 am

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2769 and 2775 are hurtful i don't think you hate me but you're aggresively telling me I suck so I don't know what i'm supposed to think
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Post Post #2803 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:42 am

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I've made my point. I'm happy to let you reread the game and give the responses/reads you want.
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Post Post #2804 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:42 am

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In post 1287, Save The Dragons wrote: okay

hmmm i'd like to vote imaginality

but i kind of think my ccs read is too high

yeah i think i like voting ccs better

let's go with that
i kinda said that though yesterday so
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Post Post #2805 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:43 am

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let's see the scum squirm onto this wagon i guess
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Post Post #2806 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:44 am

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You could have explained
why
the CCS read changed and what made him a better vote than imaginality, instead of just stating that it was so. The best time to do that was then. The second best time is now.
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Post Post #2807 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:45 am

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because i re-read camel and felt he was scummier

that's it

there's no treatise on why camel is super scummy

it's just a hunch i had
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Post Post #2808 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:46 am

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i could make up shit to get out of it but i'm not going to do that i'm telling the truth
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Post Post #2809 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:51 am

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I'm sorry but I don't believe you reread camel, thought about the posts, then decided to vote there in that 2 minute interval.

I looked again. You did give some explanation. You said this:
In post 1291, Save The Dragons wrote: i actually looked at [camel's] iso and his last several posts were nothingburgers
I don't think this is likely. Camel's last few posts at the time were an extended back and forth with me about our respective townreads, and a substantive read on the dynamic between myself and Alisae.
Spoiler: Camel's latest posts at that time
In post 1226, camelCasedSnivy wrote: im mad about that

for now though ill stay on alisae it was probably the better wagon nonetheless
In post 1228, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 1227, Prism wrote:
In post 1225, camelCasedSnivy wrote: thats quite a few nullslots

other than T3 town i suppose it makes sense
From what I remember, you don't have many strong stances yourself.
my townreads are still the same and for now i could put titus in the same tier as you
In post 1261, camelCasedSnivy wrote: after reading some ya fiction from my cellular phone, i can conclude from the gamestate that alisae must be mafia as a distraction from prism
I also still think this is a bit incongruent with your later post that a big motivator was the fact that camel had votes and imaginality did not:
In post 1298, Save The Dragons wrote: im willing to vote imaginality but there's a wagon on camel is not enough for you eh
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Post Post #2810 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:51 am

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Again though I'm happy stepping back, go reread whoever you want and I'll get out of your way for now.
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Post Post #2811 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:03 am

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Could std just be town making stuff up to justify bad reads and protect their ego??? I've seen people do that before on MU
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Post Post #2812 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:11 am

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Valid question but let's let him have his breathing room and space to evaluate for a minute instead of contuining to dogpile the stylistic criticisms lol
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Post Post #2813 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:26 am

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We gave him a lot of space yesterday and he didn't really do anything

I wonder what % of Dragons content is just responding to other people pushing him
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Post Post #2814 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:39 am

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I wish it was AI but it's really not. In a Divide & Conquer game I had to redact several posts from the scum PT because I was so mad
on the other town player's behalf
because Dragons was being strictly reactive and leaving them out to dry.
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Post Post #2815 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:40 am

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I say this as someone who is voting Dragons and thinks he is scum. He does this as town. I have many opinions on the fact that he does this as town (see: sandbagging argument), but as a factual matter it is what it is.
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Post Post #2816 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:41 am

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He did make one efforty post last day phase but it didn't really reflect any reevaluations or changes following the alisae townflip
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Post Post #2817 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:41 am

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Ugh I'm gonna look at some dragons scumgames again
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Post Post #2818 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:54 am

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I'm also looking at towngames and found that one you just mentioned, Prism.

STD may be reactive there but honestly he is explaining himself a lot better in that game and while he's all over the place you can still track his thought process
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Post Post #2819 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:02 am

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Okay never mind maybe that was the anomaly

I also found a scumgame where he explained things better than he did here.

Maybe the trick is to read his scum PTs until I understand what STD thinks about his own play
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Post Post #2820 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:05 am

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In post 2811, T3 wrote: Could std just be town making stuff up to justify bad reads and protect their ego??? I've seen people do that before on MU
what part of i found camel to be scummy is a bad read
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Post Post #2821 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:13 am

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In post 2818, jjh927 wrote: I'm also looking at towngames and found that one you just mentioned, Prism.

STD may be reactive there but honestly he is explaining himself a lot better in that game and while he's all over the place you can still track his thought process
In post 2819, jjh927 wrote: Okay never mind maybe that was the anomaly

I also found a scumgame where he explained things better than he did here.

Maybe the trick is to read his scum PTs until I understand what STD thinks about his own play
Yeah that game and Moderators of the Discord Server were the games on which the Parable of the Desert Wanderer were based. It took an immense amount of work to get what I did in D&C, and it was just to keep the universal townread from elsewhere.

His adjustment to that game was just to categorically give me zero. In Moderators he essentially stonewalled even when I was cleared, then missed the deadline in three way.

And so I found myself in the position I was in Day 1, eager to get an early flip if I could.
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Post Post #2822 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:14 am

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Okay this is very interesting to me

This is an example of scum!STD voting and distancing with a scumbuddy
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Post Post #2823 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:15 am

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He later switches off and votes someone he claims a scumlean on while still apparently scumreading his scumbuddy
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Post Post #2824 (ISO) » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:17 am

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In post 1910, Save The Dragons wrote: camel, t3, and andres have just been such non presences that i can't really town read them. it's definitely possible i'm tr scum and i need to reconsider, but im starting to tr all the players in my "would not lim" category.

jjh maybe would be do not lim if i took emotion out of it. not sure.

every post by imaginality makes my skin crawl.

i'm not sure where i stand in lieu of an alisae town flip. i'm kind of bummed i was wrong. need to think a little before i vote.
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