Mini 113:Peril in Per-Djehuty (Game Over)

[BlueSin]

well, if u need more votes to claim...

vote: argoti

i tell u meme, it is very risky.

[BlueSin]

sorry.

unvote: meme

vote: argoti

[gashlycrumb]

I seem to have missed something. Remind me why there's a bandwagon on Argoti? Is it just a means to end day one, or is there a better reason?

[MeMe]

I can tell you the reason for

I

voted for him -- he was the only one with two on him and I thought placing a third would get some kind of response from

someone

.

However, since the response I got was Argoti asking for the correct number of votes at which he should claim, I'm sticking for now. I wasn't trying to force a claim, just discussion -- that he seems willing to spill his role in reaction to a random/non-reasoned mini-wagon looks jumpy.

[Argoti]

Well, good job town, You managed to bandwagons you

DOCTOR

right off.

[Uraj45]

Would you care to elaborate? Or were you just told that you were a doctor?

[Argoti]

I was told I was the towns doctor, no self protection

[Fuldu]

Well, given that you've come out, and there's the possibility that there are two killing groups, do you want to say who your target last night was, Argoti?

[Argoti]

I targeted BlueSin last night.

[MeMe]

I find it quite odd that Argoti chose to claim directly after I posted that his willingness to claim is

why

I was keeping my vote on him...

...But how can I continue to vote a claimed doc this early in the game? Difficult choice, in my opinion.

unvote: Argoti

The sarcastic "good job" rather sticks in my craw, however. I could just as easily (and much more justifiably) say to him "Good job-- you've just handed the scum your head on a platter, causing us to lose what I HOPE isn't our only doctor instead of trying to actually use reason and persuasion to get votes off of you." Role claiming should be a last ditch effort to stay alive.

vote: Uraj45

And here's why...after the claim, he pushed for further information, which resulted in Argoti saying he can't self-protect...which was info best left unsaid. It was, of course, ultimately Argoti's responsibility to keep that quiet -- but I see Uraj's request as digging.

Also

FOS: BlueSin

for placing the fourth vote for the sole reason of getting a role claim.

[big_kahunia]

I agree with MeMe. Uraj45 pushing for more info does rub me the wrong way. Argoti's willingness to reveal his role is odd for a doc.

vote: Uraj45

btw: Argoti what in the world were you doing not protecting MeMe night 1?

[Argoti]

Well, claim townie, get lynched, cop get killed at night, or lynched if cop stupid enough to counter claim... figured I might as well get the truth out so I could get one more protect down.

I did what I do as a doc, randomly protect at first.

Urajs digging does indeed look very scummy.

Unvote, Vote: Uraj45

[Fuldu]

I find the BlueSin fourth vote to be scummier than Uraj45's pushing for more information. I mean, I pushed for more information, too. I think my information was a more reasonable thing for town to be requesting, but Uraj may have been asking something different from what Argoti gave him.

unvote: mlaker; vote: BlueSin

[Maverick]

Okay, I think that not believing Argoti's claim as a doc is to risky at this stage of the game so for now

Unvote: Argoti

..I also think that Uraj and BlueSin are suspicious, but I don't think I'm ready to put a vote on either one of them yet..BlueSin because I would like to hear something out of him first..And Uraj, becase he already has 3 votes..Right now I think that Uraj is the most scummy though..For now

FOS: Uraj45

.

*Maverick*

[BlueSin]

unvote: Argoti vote: Uraj45

Well, I put my vote on argoti since he has 2 votes on him and I don't think it is risky since 6 votes in needed for a lynch. Just thought it might stimulate some discussion. And do u see the " " that means jokingly? I didn't mean to force a role claim at that time.

it is now 4 votes on uraj and I don't think any vote is needed before he says something.

[Uraj45]

First off

Huge FOS: Bluesin

for that last statement. If you didn't want to force anything then why the hell did you vote? A wink doesen't nullify a vote.

In any event,
Yes, I was digging. And what, pray tell, is wrong with digging for a litte info from someone who is almost certainly going to be dead tonight? What do we gain from having him withold information? And what info did we get? He can't protect himself. I'm sorry, but do you honestly thing that helped the scum at all? Scum most like assums that anyway.Revealing something like who the an important role is best kept secret, but not that sort of stuff. What's more, what I was most interested in whether he was just a vanilla doc or not. Tells us something about what kind of roles we can expect. I would think that information would be useful to the town. Possibly even reveal a slipup if he's guilty.
But I stress once again: unless we've got another doc somewhere or he's scum, he's dead tonight. Why let him cary information to the grave?

unvote: Argoti

[Maverick]

I also found that suspicious BlueSin..We were thinking you were suspicious for adding the 4th vote on Argoti..Then you do it again right after that on Uraj45!..

Uraj45, that is in fact a good point..I mean why not get the info anyways..he's probabely going to die tonight, but that still doesn't take my suspicions off of you..So my FoS on you stays as is..

I'll also add an

FoS: BlueSin

.

*Maverick*

[BeyondTheGame]

I've been pretty quiet in this game... After reading Uraj45's post.. it does raise the question that why don't we get more infomation out of him...
Also Uraj why should people not vote for you... what infomation do you have that could help the town out... other than assumptions made by merely post reading..??

[MeMe]

Good enough for me, Uraj -- for now, anyway.

unvote: Uraj45
vote: BlueSin

[MeMe]

Simul-post.

Also Uraj why should people not vote for you... what infomation do you have that could help the town out... other than assumptions made by merely post reading..??

Ummmm....whoa. "Merely post reading" is the core of mafia. And am I misreading this, Beyond? Or

are

you trying to force a role claim from Uraj?

Wow - there are just *so many* suspicious people/statements popping up. Yay!

[Thoth]

vote count:

Uraj45 3 (big_kahunia, Argoti, BlueSin)
BlueSin 2 (Fuldu, MeMe)
Fuldu 1 (gashlycrumb)
Maverick 1 (BeyondTheGame)

Not voting: mlaker, Narninian, Maverick, Uraj45

6 to lynch

[BeyondTheGame]

To be honest I hope it dosn't come to his making a role claim... as that wouldn't be fair on him... to be forced to role claim this early... but I am more or less hoping he would have a bit more infomation than what many others are going by...

So I think it would be better if I was too rephrase this question...

Uraj do you have infomation that the rest of us don't know about?

[gashlycrumb]

To be honest I hope it dosn't come to his making a role claim... Uraj do you have infomation that the rest of us don't know about?

Um, isn't that tantamount to asking for a role-claim? What information could he share that wouldn't implicate his role?

"I protect Albertina last night, but she died anyway!"
"I investigated Barnabas and he is scummier than a locker-room shower."
"Eulalia is a confirmed innocent with no special powers, except that she and I are able to mutually confirm each other's innocence through our super-secret organisation which shall remain nameless."

Even if the information didn't explicitly imply the role, people would probably want a role to back up that information before believing a random accusation based on "other information."

[Maverick]

Beyondthegame, there is no information that Uraj45 could give us, without letting us know of his role...What could he possably say that wouldn't give us his role? If you could tell me something then I'll be happy, but until then

FoS: BeyondTheGame

..I'll also change my FoS on BlueSin to an

Vote: BlueSin

..Mainly because of the fact for pushing that 4th vote on Uraj45, just like he did on Argoti..I find it scummy..

*Maverick*

[big_kahunia]

unvote: Uraj45

to keep my options open.

fos

BTG as Maverick did since BTG is contradicting himself in his last post.

That's three on you, BlueSin and possiblely more coming, what have you to said in responce?