Open 542: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over)

[uctriton00]

I also have a theory on why Cirno was killed, and it has to do with the way that Saki has not been consistent in giving access to neighborhoods. For instance, Nacho and I had access to our neighborhood during n2, but Saki didn't give Triton and I access to our neighborhood until after n3 was over. I wonder if she gave Cirno and Nacho access to the neighborhood n1, which would explain Nacho knowing that Cirno was an alt, and Cirno figured out that Nacho was scum during the night.

Did this really happen?

[Burning_Earth]

That's not exactly good modding if it did happen

[Bulbazak]

I also have a theory on why Cirno was killed, and it has to do with the way that Saki has not been consistent in giving access to neighborhoods. For instance, Nacho and I had access to our neighborhood during n2, but Saki didn't give Triton and I access to our neighborhood until after n3 was over. I wonder if she gave Cirno and Nacho access to the neighborhood n1, which would explain Nacho knowing that Cirno was an alt, and Cirno figured out that Nacho was scum during the night.

Did this really happen?

Yes. I was given access to my neighborhood with Nacho on n2 and access to my neighborhood with you and Tammy after the night ended on d4 and d5 respectably.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, question

Bulbazak (5) --> claimed VT
SXTLHGaiden (6) ---> ???
TierShift (8) ---> ???
DrCirno (13) ---> killed

so in the wonderfulness that is pick your power, scum is either going to a) kill people who are threats to them during day play, or b) PR hunt. I don't know if any of you think that DrCirno was killed based on being a threat day play wise, but if you do, you're probably smoking crack. That means they were PR hunting, meaning that they are basically going down the draft list. Cirno was surpassed by two different players as the kill, and it's probably because one of the two people between Bulbazak and Cirno are scum (since only one could be blocked). I don't remember a single thing Gaiden's posted this game so he seems like a fucking fine place to start.

So then we got Gaiden out of that.

Did you try to go after TierShift next?

Tammy replaced in and was incredibly town, so no.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not certain whether he'd think to ask you such a question in the QT.

>.>
you don't think geriantm would think to ask me "oh you got neighborized" in the QT?
how would he know that i had another qt if i didn't say it in the neighborhood or he didn't ask me? do you think that i would just be like "oh, i got neighborized again" and geriantm would ask me to follow up in the thread because he didn't think to follow up in QT?

Furthermore, this allowed him to eventually out me, something that I would have never done as scum, but something I could see you orchestrating, especially since you'd know Pisskop would be all over that. To be honest, Ger's eventual reasoning looked coached to me, so I think he was trying to look pro-town by asking you and ended up getting in over his head, meaning you had to rescue him in the QT, which is where I suspect the idea of having him claim his attempted role came from, which outed me and put me on the defensive.

so... you think it was coached because it outed you.
you think it is coached for no other reason.

You also made it a point upon coming into the QT that night to talk about how town Tammy was. I think you were holding out for me to neighborize Tammy and for you to have access to her, even if tangentially. It must have really irked you when I kept that information to myself. It showed that I no longer trusted you, which explains why you didn't post in the QT after that. I'd imagine that if you were town, you'd be trying to get me to talk to you.

my general disengagement with this game explains why i didn't post in QTs
if your argument is that i wanted to be connected to tammy so i could manipulate her, the drcirno kill doesn't make sense because i was fed into the qt and could manipulate him to my leisure.
if your argument isn't that, i have no idea what you're talking about.

then what did you mean?

i meant you were my top suspect for the day and i wanted you to reanalyze the game

[uctriton00]

burning why is it not nacho

[Burning_Earth]

It has to be nacho otherwise bulba would have hammered for the win.

[Burning_Earth]

UNVOTE: VOTE: nachomamma8

[Burning_Earth]

Why did I not realize that before

[uctriton00]

What are you talking about, hammered who for the win?

[Burning_Earth]

bulba would have hammered nacho for the win if he was scum.

So it is nacho.

[Burning_Earth]

no fuck what UNVOTE QUICK I HAVE TO UNVOTE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I SUCK AT THIS GAME

[Burning_Earth]

UNVOTE:

[uctriton00]

can i put a vote on nacho, and then leave it there for like an hour until I get back, and you not hammer, so I have trust that you're not a QH scum, that'd be comforting. Because then we can rapport.

[Burning_Earth]

yeah u can do that

[uctriton00]

Vote: Nachomamma8

[uctriton00]

the bright side is that if you're scum, then

1. i never would have suspected it anyway
2. pisskop played an A+ game to win

going to run errands but will be back in 2 hours to talk about why I actually think it may be nacho

[Burning_Earth]

watch me not hammer

[Saki]

VC 6.06

Nachomamma8 (2): Bulbazak | uctriton00 [L-1]

Bulbazak (1): Nachomamma8 [L-2]

Not Voting:

Burning_Earth

With 4 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.


Deadline hits in (expired on 2014-04-25 23:00:00)


Please address me if I make a mistake.

[uctriton00]

unvote

[Bulbazak]

I'm not certain whether he'd think to ask you such a question in the QT.

>.>
you don't think geriantm would think to ask me "oh you got neighborized" in the QT?
how would he know that i had another qt if i didn't say it in the neighborhood or he didn't ask me? do you think that i would just be like "oh, i got neighborized again" and geriantm would ask me to follow up in the thread because he didn't think to follow up in QT?

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. It made sense at the time.

so... you think it was coached because it outed you.
you think it is coached for no other reason.

No, I think Ger dug himself into a hole by publicly asking about what you talked about in the neighborhood during the night, and when I kept pressing him on it, you coached him on what to say to get out of it. Essentially, you told him to say he thought the neighborhoods carried over. When Ger expressed it, it sounded above what he would normally say, and if he thought that in the first place, why didn't he say so the first several times I pressured him on it? Furthermore, I think you were the one that told Ger to claim, since you knew that would force me to out myself and that Pisskop would jump on me for not being honest about my role and would likely tunnel me to death.

if your argument is that i wanted to be connected to tammy so i could manipulate her, the drcirno kill doesn't make sense because i was fed into the qt and could manipulate him to my leisure.

What? That has nothing to do with why I think you killed Cirno. My theory is that Saki gave you and Cirno the link to your neighborhood during n1, instead of when the day began, and that Cirno figured out you were scum in the QT.

then what did you mean?

i meant you were my top suspect for the day and i wanted you to reanalyze the game

Sorry, that doesn't fit with what you said. First, if I was your top suspect, you wouldn't be asking me to reanalyzing the game. You'd be pushing me as scum. Asking me to reanalyze the game means you would think I was town. Second, saying "OK Bulba, talk up a storm." is not telling me to reanalyze the game. It's in fact telling me to get in the thread and defend myself. Knowing I was V/LA, I suspect you were expecting to be able to push my lynch through before I noticed. However, when I caught you and called you out for it, you got indignant.

P-edit: Triton, why'd you unvote?

[Burning_Earth]

Let's lynch nacho (luckily I'm conftown )

Vote Nacho

uctriton can hammer now

[uctriton00]

I am going to be real.

I have no idea who to trust, you both have good arguments.

But Bulbazak has put in a metric ton of work into this game and he deserves some kind of victory. Gladly willing to give it to him.

Vote: Nachomamma8

Up to you Bulba if you want to flip your card over or not, or let the mod handle it. Given Saki's track record, we may be waiting another 10 days lol jk Saki

[uctriton00]

Nacho's biggest town read for me was killing off Gaiden (who had a PR).

If I hadn't seen Nacho immediately kill one of his teammates before, I would never be making this vote.

But I'm impressed with Bulba's constant, constant attacking of Nacho today, and Nacho does seem to be on the total defense. If I'm ever forced to choose between offense and defense, I choose the more aggressive person.

[uctriton00]

The town selling point for me was that Bulba choose the stupid universal backup.

Scum don't need a UB in my opinion. You go and try to kill off the "real" power roles by drafting them, not leaving it up to chance that it can backfire and other roles use them awesomely on night 1.