Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[Kmd4390]

Which two and

why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend and NM don't seem to be trying to sort the game.

[Kmd4390]

Interesting. I've started my read and I'm already feeling the opposite way about Transcend. Not mafia on the other hand doesn't surprise me there, but I don't think that's an alignment tell for him. Have you played with him before?

[Gamma Emerald]

I've played with NM, and I feel he can be helpful sometimes as town. I don't like his early attempts at finding four people to peg as scum.

[Kmd4390]

*shrug*

Through page 6 I don't really have much of a read on him. Weak town if anything. The culted vote was wagoning for the sake of wagoning which doesn't surprise me from him. The vote on realeo, I agree with. And the vote on you, I see where he's coming from but don't necessarily agree that it makes you scum. Who is the fourth? nn?

[Joshz]

to be fair this is a weird setup scumhunting wise

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum are Gamma/Realeo/nn304829384 and someone else

Look here.

[Kmd4390]

to be fair this is a weird setup scumhunting wise

Eh, not really. It just makes it easier for scum to genuinely scum hunt.

Gamma, I haven't made it to his nn stuff yet, but I don't see the issue with those first three votes.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't believe he intends to earnestly scumhunt.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, I'm not going to get through here

[Joshz]

to be fair this is a weird setup scumhunting wise

Eh, not really. It just makes it easier for scum to genuinely scum hunt.

Gamma, I haven't made it to his nn stuff yet, but I don't see the issue with those first three votes.

there's also no prs or anything except a single doc and there is a large amount of scum

[Not_Mafia]

I don't like his early attempts at finding four people to peg as scum.

That's the point of the game

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like his early attempts at finding four people to peg as scum.

That's the point of the game

Why so quickly?

[Kmd4390]

to be fair this is a weird setup scumhunting wise

Eh, not really. It just makes it easier for scum to genuinely scum hunt.

Gamma, I haven't made it to his nn stuff yet, but I don't see the issue with those first three votes.

there's also no prs or anything except a single doc and there is a large amount of scum

Yeah, but that doesn't really affect scum hunting except that you're more likely to be right on your scum reads.

[Kmd4390]

Reading now...

So, Snark probably would have been my first vote. BK's joke seemed to make him a little unconfortable. Unfortunately, he's usually hard to read though.

BK asking for setup strategy advice was weird when town don't have power roles other than the doc which doesn't help with setup breaking, but it looks like a town thought process trying to use the setup to get ahead. (It's better to leave stuff like post 30 up to the doc though)

Not a fan of Realeo trying to shut down BK's above thought. If there was a way to use the setup, we absolutely should discuss it. It only hurts town not to. He also feels calculated in his so called RVS exit and his reaction to Transcend's vote was pretty defensive. His concerns with notmafia feel fake too. An RVS wagon getting to L-3 is nothing new and notmafia being the one to put it there isn't surprising. Transcend's post 55 is a good point too. I'd probably vote realeo if I was here for all of this.

Transcend is probably town for reaction testing culted.

I could see culted being scum. I get a "trying to fit in" vibe. The OMGUS on realeo sucks too. I've rarely seen the "twisting words" arguement be a good and accurate one. Not scum with realeo though.

BK's answer to Transcend's power town request was very town. These are my two strongest town reads early on.

lo, when you voted realeo, you said it's "only" L-2. Were you expecting your vote to be more than that? If so, were you ok with him being lynched so soon?

I also don't like lo calling gamma scum. Gamma having an issue with a L-2 vote was fine whether lo considers that RVS or not.

Gamma wagon sucks. I liked it better when everyone was voting realeo. I'm finding myself agreeing with gamma that there is scum on his wagon, just not who they are.

Realeo, can you elaborate on your meta unvote on gamma?

Transcend, do you have reasons why realeo is town? Because the whole lynchbait thing is just a cool way to say too scummy to be scum.

Snark, you implied that you were scumreading lo and transcend and appeared to have a stronger read on lo. Why did you vote transcend over lo and why did it take someone else doing it first to get you to vote transcend? And if gamma can't be town, why didn't you switch to him?
^just noticed transcend already some of said this. *shrug*. I'll leave it here anyway. I hadn't made it that far when I typed that.

My scum reads on lo and culted are both softening.

Culted, is your secret tell on nn that he gave 3 scum reads with a "/" pairing two of them but didn't do that with the other?

Nn's 263 kind of sucked. He's got no reason to be paranoid about being lynched in five hours and putting colors in a post isn't "trying too hard". He also failed to notice that realeo used colors earlier.

I actually like josh questioning town reads on him, ironically enough.

K, I'm done

Readslist:
Town:
Kmd

Town reads:
Transcend
BK
Josh

Weaker town reads:
Gamma
Rory
Notmafia

Null:
Clemency

Weaker scum reads:
lo
Culted
Nn

Scum reads:
Realeo
Snark

Vote Realeo

[Joshz]

out of all of the scum reads ive seen i think nn makes the most sense

unvote and VOTE: nn

[Io]

lo, when you voted realeo, you said it's "only" L-2. Were you expecting your vote to be more than that? If so, were you ok with him being lynched so soon?

I also don't like lo calling gamma scum. Gamma having an issue with a L-2 vote was fine whether lo considers that RVS or not.

No, I just felt the need to call it out so that some other person didn't also decide to come on and RVS them to a lynch. The 'only' was a lame attempt at a joke to make it sound like it was far from a lynch ironically. Honestly though I was just confident there is 0% chance an RVS wagon can lynch so no I wasn't concerned with him being lynched or really even felt the need to lynch him.

The problem with the second line there is that wasn't the reason he had a problem with the vote. He had a problem with me saying I saw a name and voted it. Saying that he said it was because the wagon was L-2 is just a lie and fairly large stretch at best.

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I don't like the TransxNM scum read from Gamma, that would be the best scum team I've ever seen and honestly to good to be true, Trans in every game I've played with him (I mean he was always scum) and he has literally never buddied his partners. For the most part he is either slightly hard on them or even just flat out ignores them. That's pretty much why I asked Trans about the Roy read since it was a very slight scum read out of no where.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Io: I didn't say I teamread them, no team would stick their necks out together like that.

[Io]

I was thinking it was a scum read since it came right after the post about peopel scum reading you having at least 2 scum in it.
Speaking of that do you think those 2 (not TransxNM, but the scum reads 2) are the same scum or different?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol please pay attention to the post.
I scumread both Transcend and NM, but I doubt they are both fire/ice.

[Io]

OK.

[Kmd4390]

lo, fair enough. That satisfies my concerns.

[nn30]

Define opaque lol

nn30 please

Impossible to read.

[nn30]

I don't like his early attempts at finding four people to peg as scum.

That's the point of the game

Sure, but pegging all 4 at once is laughably bad. It's an easy way to fake scum hunt.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

How many scum should I hunt?