Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i like this account/personality though

[Prince Lyon]

I'm not worried about getting outed ftr because I've said things that would confirm myself to about 2/3 of the game and the identity that I was pretending to be just replaced in.
I was trying to imitate the way that Titus speaks to lay her as a false trail but overall this is more just trying to play without the baggage or the constructed personality of my main.
I suspect that winrate wise I will perform worse as both alignments but I feel like playing the way that I usually do just isn't working anymore.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm not worried about getting outed ftr because I've said things that would confirm myself to about 2/3 of the game and the identity that I was pretending to be just replaced in.
I was trying to imitate the way that Titus speaks to lay her as a false trail but overall this is more just trying to play without the baggage or the constructed personality of my main.
I suspect that winrate wise I will perform worse as both alignments but I feel like playing the way that I usually do just isn't working anymore.

oh ok

also i missed titus's post from earlier but i don't understand how vanity wagons springing up suggests alban town? to me that just implies that either town doesn't trust each other to wagon, we're still feeling things out, or scum are trying to push a cw and are struggling to find one that works?

[Prince Lyon]

I would actually get the opposite interpretation in that it would likely be scum attempting to push counterwagons.
VOTE: Titus
Do you understand why I think that you and Alban are highly likely to be scumbuddies here?

[alban]

Giga, why do you think i am scum?

[Prince Lyon]

Oh, you are still here.

VOTE: Alban

Why did you think that I was scummy earlier?

[alban]

Lyon, why do you think i am scum?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Giga, why do you think i am scum?

your reads seem forced

also didn't like how you tried to insinuate that A: omgus is a scumtell, and B: that lyon was voting you for omgus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

There's no solid reason for me to tr/sr people in these early pages. That's why words like 'seems' and 'looks'. Giga's posts seemed natural, Prince's came across as a bit ott.
I noticed Dunn's post coz it's relevant to my read of Giga.

also i find posts like this that completely miss the intention of a question/point to come more often from scum

but that's more of a tendency i've started to notice from experience. i suppose it can come from town

[Prince Lyon]

I didn't like your first two posts. It's easy to throw out townreads and scumreads with no support and at the time scumreading me felt easy given that a few people had expressed suspicion of my thought.
There's nothing that I particularly like in the remainder of your iso either and Titus's predecessor replacing out when the wagon got going on you feels like it might have been a scum RQ.
I would like to point out that this is not the first time that I have asked you why you thought that I was scummy and you haven't responded. Also why GBT town.

[Prince Lyon]

Like if you're town you can't just say that someone is over the top and someone is genuine because there's no way for me to gauge your alignment from it.

Do you still think that I'm scum? What other reads do you have?

[Titus]

The vanity wagons, to me, suggest that mostly town are wagoning town alban, if not completely town. It could be scum trying to save Alban (I lack the data to make a firmer conclusion), but that's what my VCA mini suggestions tell me.

Note to self: Go through Prince's ISO.

[alban]

Lyon, I never actually said you are scummy. I said your posts were over the top and suspicious. They don't mean the same thing.

Giga, if you are talking about 181, I did not imply A. B, yes. It is totally an omgus vote. But that doesn't necessarily have to come from a scum.

I think both of you are trying hard to read and see what's not there. Also there's some kind of imitation going on, though i am not sure who is following whom. Your reasons for scumreading me are the exact same.

Pedit: will get back

[gigabyteTroubadour]

The vanity wagons, to me, suggest that mostly town are wagoning town alban, if not completely town. It could be scum trying to save Alban (I lack the data to make a firmer conclusion), but that's what my VCA mini suggestions tell me.

Note to self: Go through Prince's ISO.

but how does that translate to alban town?

i would think that means that alban could be late-game lynchbait town (that phrase doesn't make sense but i think you get my point) or scum if it's a town motivated wagon from that - meaning my conclusion from the get-go would be "i need more data"

so i don't get the thought process here

[Prince Lyon]

Like how. Do you feel like scum are more likely to vote on vanity wagons? What part of the voting suggests that Alban is likely to be town here?

Lyon, I never actually said you are scummy. I said your posts were over the top and suspicious. They don't mean the same thing.

If they don't mean the same thing, then what's the difference? I'm not following how suspicious =\= scummy.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Giga, if you are talking about 181, I did not imply A. B, yes. It is totally an omgus vote. But that doesn't necessarily have to come from a scum.

then why point it out if it's not scummy

also idk if this is a language barrier thing but suspicious = scummy to me

and the shade you're throwing with lyon and i seeing the same thing isn't exactly something i'm inclined to townread :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lol lyon we keep ninja'ing each other and saying the same thing

[Prince Lyon]

Next time I roll scum in daytalk I'm going to have me and a partner push on someone together and keep making the exact same points at the exact same time.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you know you said that last game too right

_{and about me too}

[Titus]

The vanity wagons, to me, suggest that mostly town are wagoning town alban, if not completely town. It could be scum trying to save Alban (I lack the data to make a firmer conclusion), but that's what my VCA mini suggestions tell me.

Note to self: Go through Prince's ISO.

but how does that translate to alban town?

i would think that means that alban could be late-game lynchbait town (that phrase doesn't make sense but i think you get my point) or scum if it's a town motivated wagon from that - meaning my conclusion from the get-go would be "i need more data"

so i don't get the thought process here

Sure, that stuff is possible and cannot be known for a few days. Most of the time, this wagon structure means Alban town. Any post in the game could be something else, and my predecessor thought alban town too.

[alban]

I have said in175, and I maintain that there's no strong tr or sr for me till now. That includes the two of you too.

[Titus]

Next time I roll scum in daytalk I'm going to have me and a partner push on someone together and keep making the exact same points at the exact same time.

If you really wanna drive me crazy, fake masons.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Most of the time, this wagon structure means Alban town.

what i'm trying to get at here is i don't see why

like i'm thinking back to pyp and this was basically what happened with the uzi wagon (mostly town voted for him, town refused to let the wagon get passed the tipping point and voted elsewhere) and uzi was scum there

one example is obviously not indicative of a pattern but i don't get the reasoning you're making

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I have said in175, and I maintain that there's no strong tr or sr for me till now. That includes the two of you too.

i feel like continuing this discussion will just get circular then

what are your reads at the moment?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@Whemestar, I was townreading your other head but i'm not really liking the lack of input you have on this game

what do you think so far?