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[keyenpeydee]

“I am selfish. I am brave.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.04

[4] momo:

Not_Mafia, Radiant Moonlight, zakk, Srceenplay,

[3] Nero Cain:

Elena Fisher, Mewtaph, Keyser Söze,

[3] Not_Mafia:

Aristophanes, momo, Ramcius,

[2] WhemeStar:

Nero Cain, Ircher,

[2] Transcend:

PenguinPower, WhemeStar,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker,

[1] zakk:

Creature,

[1] Creature:

Transcend,

NOT VOTING:

alban, rb, shos

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. rb is V/LA for the next 2 days. His V/LA will end in April 8. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

[Ircher]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

Why not? Some players (eg: Creature) are easier to sort in PTs.

[Not_Mafia]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

Nice "townslip"

This says literally nothing about my alignment

[Nero Cain]

oh I think I get it now. Mew is claiming that when Wheme asked me if I "like lynching town" and when I told him "no, I don't like lynching town" he's claiming that it was a slip. That's really weak bro.

[Mewtaph]

seems more like low risk high reward to me.

You like lynching town? Are you scum?

I do not like lynching town and I am not scum.

I think your play has been really odd and your stance that you should be town read is beyond me.

No, the italics is just an answer to his questions. The bold is what gets me. "I think your play has been really odd and your stance that you should be townread is beyond me."
This is not just a wording issue. Your entire tone remains the same around this post.
FMPOV, You had no reason to enter this tone.

[Mewtaph]

You respond to his posturing by posturing back that he is town. When you scum read him.It's a bad post that I don't see why town!Nero would do this.

[Ramcius]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

Nice "townslip"

This says literally nothing about my alignment

no, but saying "i don't want talk in PT, where can be scums" screams "i'm a town!", thus raises question - "why town need tell everybody he's town like this?" and i have hard time finding answer, so for now you are scumlean from what i saw till now from you

[Nero Cain]

So I can't think weird or "odd" play is from scum?

[Mewtaph]

Uhh, no. To me it seemed like you are considering/reevaluating Wheme in that post, when you had no real reason to do so.

[Keyser Söze]

Your accusation about WhemeStar's "delayed" vote feels reachy

How is it reachy when its what you know actually happened?

Is there a limited window where a player must vote after stating 'suspicion' of a player?
It took WhemeStar only an hour from calling Ircher's vote bad, to actually voting Ircher. I did not see this as suspicious, or an irregular progression of a scum-read.
Why must this be scum-WhemeStar, keeping hold of his vote for 58 minutes, then opportunistically posting his vote (with no tangible reason to do so)?
Are you questioning whether WhemeStar didn't like Ircher's vote in the first place?

[Nero Cain]

Uhh, no. To me it seemed like you are considering/reevaluating Wheme in that post, when you had no real reason to do so.

I never knew I was.

[Nero Cain]

I did not see this as suspicious, or an irregular progression of a scum-read.

Why must I believe the same thing as you?

Are you questioning whether WhemeStar didn't like Ircher's vote in the first place?

I don't think this matters at all.

[Keyser Söze]

I did not see this as suspicious, or an irregular progression of a scum-read.

Why must I believe the same thing as you?

Are you questioning whether WhemeStar didn't like Ircher's vote in the first place?

I don't think this matters at all.

You

were the person presenting the scum-WhemeStar narrative.

I need to find out

a)

how you got there and/or

b)

why I am wrong.

If you don't believe the same thing as me, you need to convince me to lynch a host who you think is a threat to town.

[Creature]

Mehtaph as a pun to the "Meh" I put in my post.

[Creature]

Also, I'd rather vote someone I'm not finding town.

[Creature]

Even if it means starting a vanity wagon.

It's early and any wagon can happen, just put your vote into it and maybe someone will join you and bam, a wagon appeared.

[Creature]

[4] momo: Not_Mafia, Radiant Moonlight, zakk, Srceenplay,
[3] Nero Cain: Elena Fisher, Mewtaph, Keyser Söze,
[3] Not_Mafia: Aristophanes, momo, Ramcius,
[2] WhemeStar: Nero Cain, Ircher,
[2] Transcend: PenguinPower, WhemeStar,

If I had to join one of these wagons, I guess only Transcend's I would join.

[Mewtaph]

Nero Cain:

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's unnaturally contradictory.We're also talking past each other at this point, because you're quoting one bit of my last post and acting as if the whole post was addressed.
106 108 112
112 contradicts against the others. And then after 112, your tone goes back to the same nullscum-ish area for Wheme. 157 161.

I don't understand you to engage in this contradiction when Wheme himself isn't even asking a question that should invoke a re-evaluation of the game slot or their slot.
The way I see it, "You like lynching town? Are you scum?" is almost useless for scumhunting. So how would this set of questions invoke the idea of telling things like "your play has been really odd" and tipping him off that "[his] stance that you should be townread is beyond me" aka he should stop doing it. (Obv its not scum coaching, as you could just go and talk in the mafia PT if that's the case.)

Hence, your contradiction doesn't make any sense because there's nothing that suggests you should have changed tones for that one post as it stands.
So I'm asking what went through town!Nero's head when you made this post. Like if you were trying to get Wheme to engage in better questions or something idk. That's the problem, I don't see town motivation out of this post and I don't understand why you decided to respond the way you did. There's literally nothing that suggests this brief progression is natural.

[Nero Cain]

If you don't believe the same thing as me, you need to convince me to lynch a host who you think is a threat to town.

Do you often use "I don't think the same thing as him so he must be scum." as a scumtell?

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Keyser Söze]

Even if it means starting a vanity wagon.

It's early and any wagon can happen, just put your vote into it and maybe someone will join you and bam, a wagon appeared.

Do you think Mewtaph reacts a certain way to RVS/empty/vanity wagons when he is town/scum?

[Creature]

No, but I wanted to see if he'll react in a way I think is town.

[Mewtaph]

No, but I wanted to see if he'll react in a way I think is town.

Really? I thought you were kind of sort of basing it on the early remnants of this game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69495

[Keyser Söze]

If you don't believe the same thing as me, you need to convince me to lynch a host who you think is a threat to town.

Do you often use "I don't think the same thing as him so he must be scum." as a scumtell?

A disagreement is not a scum-tell, Nero Cain. Please read again.
I need to find out a)

how you got there

and/or b) why I am wrong.
If you walk me through how you think Whemestar is scum that will strengthen my read on you, and possibly of Whemestar too (if he is infact scum).

[WhemeStar]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

Why not? Some players (eg: Creature) are easier to sort in PTs.

If only they used the PT