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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:47 am

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In post 296, NotMySpamAccount wrote:This might be my inexperience talking, but does this sound like a cop or something? Or is he just talking about the night kill or the lynch?
couple of things:
1) try as much as possible not to disscuss power roles at all day one. It's the same concept behind not claiming VT straight away. It gives mafia more idea as to who the PRs are and therefore who they should kill. The only rlly acceptable time is if you're going to get lynched.
2) i highly doubt whatever TTTT is waiting for is lynch related or night action related purely because of how the original post was phrased. "later" implies this day phase and if not, that is possibly the most scummy play i've ever seen. My guess is they're waiting for someone to post something to do with reads or maybe a reaction from a less active player or even anything from the DR slot.
I did a similar thing with my vote on skitter. The original reason i was going to vote them was to see if MJL followed my vote. (which she did)
@MJL if you could explain why that would be much appreciated.
but I didnt want to put something like "ill explain later" and then sit around waiting so i re read salami and skitter's ISO's and found acctual reason to change my vote which is what it became.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:49 am

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In post 297, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:No. I very probably cannot stop doing things that are perceived as scummy because too many people have already developed tunnel vision. I think these day phases are so long that they're destructive to town and give scum an advantage by allowing them to work in tandem behind the scenes creating havoc and confusion.
In post 299, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:Spam, I do have other RL obligations that take precedence, but I'll be writing up my thoughts soon.
I too had both of these thoughts when I started playing forum mafia. But now I have seen through the blindness I once had. I'm sure you too will get there some day.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:34 am

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Do you think she is scum? I find that unlikely from her reaction to the wagon
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:15 am

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It's such a blasé reaction, almost to a point of not caring about the game. I rlly don't know what to make of it
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:19 am

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In post 290, Elements wrote:Anyone else noticed how MJL's vote has been following mine all game?
Our vote record is as follows:

#5 Elements votes Salami
#16 MJL votes TTTT
#30 Elements votes Spam
#33 MJL votes Spam
#71 MJL unvotes
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#135 MJL votes Salami
#144 Elements votes Salami
#263 Elements votes Skitter.
#289 MJL votes Skitter.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:35 am

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I thought i voted salmi first, but apparently not. I was going off you following my on Spam then salami and now skitter. without salami it doesn't have as much traction
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:45 am

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In post 303, Elements wrote:It's such a blasé reaction, almost to a point of not caring about the game. I rlly don't know what to make of it
I'm legitimately starting to have some difficulty with the length of the day phase and the inability to make progress. I'd like my side to win, but as I said in a previous post, we're going nowhere and scum is actively collaborating against us and gathering information on our weaknesses. We're just spinning our wheels and feeding info to scum. Scum has a higher chance of hitting a more valuable target during the nightkill with each post that is made. Elements, I'm not sure why you think we should continue on this path of dragging the day phase out.

I think our best chance to win is to take the hit and let town reevaluate the past conversations in light of the new information that will come from the lynch and night kill.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:46 am

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In post 305, Elements wrote:I thought i voted salmi first, but apparently not. I was going off you following my on Spam then salami and now skitter. without salami it doesn't have as much traction
You should double check it. I think I got it right, though.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:27 am

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In post 306, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:
In post 303, Elements wrote:It's such a blasé reaction, almost to a point of not caring about the game. I rlly don't know what to make of it
I'm legitimately starting to have some difficulty with the length of the day phase and the inability to make progress. I'd like my side to win, but as I said in a previous post, we're going nowhere and scum is actively collaborating against us and gathering information on our weaknesses. We're just spinning our wheels and feeding info to scum. Scum has a higher chance of hitting a more valuable target during the nightkill with each post that is made. Elements, I'm not sure why you think we should continue on this path of dragging the day phase out.

I think our best chance to win is to take the hit and let town reevaluate the past conversations in light of the new information that will come from the lynch and night kill.
Reasons:
The more we talk, the more we have to evaluate during the night phase.
We have had next to nothing from the tall1s/DR slot.
I don't think we've reached a point in the discussion where we are harming ourselves.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:51 am

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Continuing on the game with my now corrected user account MaryJoLisa (without the number 2)


Thank you Mith for fixing my account.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:51 am

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In post 297, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:
In post 295, TTTT wrote:MaryJo if you are town
and I think you prob are
can you stop acting scummy plz
thx
TTTT,

You literally pulled this exact same thing here in post 155. You modeled that to me.
it's different
I'm usually vaguely scummy-looking
so I can get away with this kind of play
you are at L-2
with others threatening to vote you
not the ideal time to be naked voting
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:52 am

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In post 296, NotMySpamAccount wrote:This might be my inexperience talking, but does this sound like a cop or something? Or is he just talking about the night kill or the lynch?
stop
just you talking like this can help scum
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:54 am

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In post 297, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:I think these day phases are so long that they're destructive to town and give scum an advantage by allowing them to work in tandem behind the scenes creating havoc and confusion.
longer day phases are generally pro-town
they allow for more talky-talk that can re-evaluated in future days
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:57 am

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In post 308, Elements wrote:Reasons:
The more we talk, the more we have to evaluate during the night phase.
We have had next to nothing from the tall1s/DR slot.
I don't think we've reached a point in the discussion where we are harming ourselves.
^agree
we aren't even close to the point of this day being counterproductive
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:58 am

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@Salami - plz give updated reads
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:25 am

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I’m still content with a Mary lynch.

I could live with a skitter lynch too. I’m not getting any sort of townvibes.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:04 am

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In post 314, TTTT wrote:@Salami - plz give updated reads
TTTT: Well I'm getting increasingly scummy vibes from you, you hopped onto my wagon, said you'd explain later then didn't which tends to be a scumtell from games I've seen.
BBmolla: He prefers brevity but I don't get much particular scum vibes from him. #282, #18 and #178 feel like town posts to me.
NotMySpamAccount: My instincts are saying VI for the most part but I think we should take a closer look at him tomorrow.
MaryJoLisa: A lot of her posts are annoying and anti-town but my instincts are telling me she is town, particularly from the reaction to the wagon.
Elements: I'm still not 100% sure about him but I think he has been pushing the game in the right direction
skitter30: Same as before really I TR her and think she is making good observations, #267 is a very town post
cbynumber: #129 and #257 are good posts, not much else to go on
Dick Richards: This slot hasn't posted yet so completely null.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:04 am

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And on that note VOTE: TTTT
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:43 am

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In post 316, Salami wrote:TTTT: Well I'm getting increasingly scummy vibes from you, you hopped onto my wagon, said you'd explain later then didn't which tends to be a scumtell from games I've seen.
what else looks scummy besides me jumping on your wagon without explanation?
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:51 am

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other than...
1) skitter is more null to a scum-lean for me
and
2) I'm town
I like Salami's reads
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:27 am

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In post 293, Elements wrote:
In post 292, TTTT wrote:I fully intend to go back to my salami vote at some point
it wasn't a bad vote
and I'm still waiting for a thing
What if this thing never happens?
In post 294, TTTT wrote:it will
and it did

I voted Salami for two reasons
wagons are good (especially on newer players day1)
and I wanted to see if Salami actually SR me in when he said I was trying to pocket MaryJo
he was very focused on Elements which is fine bc you usually should just vote your strongest SR
then he kept talking about Elements and not saying a peep about me (again probably ok but could be something worth noting)
so I left my vote there waiting to see when/if he would start talking about me being scum
and then he unvoted Elements but didn't vote me (or even vote at all)
but he did interact with me for the first time two posts later ()
still doesn't vote
so I'm thinking what the hell Salami I'm here and you think I'm scum
finally after I ask for his updated reads he votes me
I should probably wait for his answer to before posting this
but big picture this whole thing looks slightly towny
I'd probably be drawing a different conclusion if he had made a more opportunistic vote here (like voting MaryJo) that was inconsistent with his prior SR on me

I'm PoE'd down to voting here:
Skitter
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:00 am

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In post 320, TTTT wrote: and I wanted to see if Salami actually SR me in when he said I was trying to pocket MaryJo
We're not BFF's yet.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:07 am

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give it time MaryJo
you cannot resist fate
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:08 am

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how about that skitter explanation?
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:22 am

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In post 296, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 288, cbynumber wrote:@Notmyspamaccount, what's your take on everything so far?
Not sure, still thinking about it. MJL definitely still seems scummy, I get what you mean with this:

That kinda fleshes out what I was starting to think about her reaction, just total apathy towards her own imminent death.
I already know you think MaryJo is scummy: you're voting for her.
In post 298, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 297, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:
In post 295, TTTT wrote:MaryJo if you are town
and I think you prob are
can you stop acting scummy plz
thx
TTTT,

You literally pulled this exact same thing here in post 155. You modeled that to me.

No. I very probably cannot stop doing things that are perceived as scummy because too many people have already developed tunnel vision. I think these day phases are so long that they're destructive to town and give scum an advantage by allowing them to work in tandem behind the scenes creating havoc and confusion.

A few of you (Elements comes to mind) talked me out of this mindset a few days ago, but I'm returning to it. The phase is too long and town is spinning their wheels with no solid information. Many people are leaning in my direction and that's fine. My flip will provide some much needed context for the POV I've been trying to convey and will help town analyze what my train of thought over the last few days and they'll be able to better see the scum by how they interacted with wagons.

I'll give my reads later on.
No, how about we get some reads now. I'd love some information.
While you're pushing MaryJo for some reads, how about providing some of yours?
Specifically, I'm interested in your thoughts on skitter, TTTT and BBmolla.

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