Mafia 91-Hell Aboard The Purple Flower (Game over!)

[ZazieR]

They thought your playstyle was weird for you, since you were low key. I am sure town thought you were scum, and the scum thought you were a cop, I think, at one point.

I thought you were scummy only after I died

, and I thought you were manipulating the town into agreeing with you, LOL. Guess I was way off. Had no idea molester was scum.

Killing me after "protecting" me was probably not a good move. A bit obvious, I guess.

Oh, the irony Laughing :

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LAL!!!
And you deserved that comment

[orangepenguin]

Fair enough.

[orangepenguin]

This is probably the first game I didn't lurk though, so of course, I am night killed for a change (and not because a vig thinks I am scummy -- because the mafia (monkey) thought I was pro-town). But it was a game I was actually interested in and posted a lot - I usually post more in games I am interested. Usually you don't know until the game actually starts whether you are interested or not, so it was refreshing to be able to follow along and post a lot. That's why I begged to be let back in. I wanted to replace in a third time, but I figured SC wouldn't let me. Which is good, because I'd vote KMD, and we'd lose.

[Shanba]

I have several gripes about the way this game was run. Certainly, I will be avoiding games modded by MafiaSSK and StrangerCoug in the future. I no longer feel the game was unbalanced, after the thread I recently made in MD showing that the vast majority of large games are won by scum. Still, though, it's tough for a mafia group trying to dodge two nightkills, two investigations and a lynch per cycle whilst simultaneously trying to whittle down the number of confirmed innocents to something reasonably manageable. Cops are an insanely powerful role, and having two of them is simply nuts. Town only managed to lynch one scum who was not fingered by a cop. Vi and ZazieR won this game basically on their own. That's disappointing to me.

The second thing is that the modkills were simply unacceptable. Japanese mafia was crippled very early on by the loss of DDD for something that simply shouldn't be a modkillable offence. With so many cops around the loss of the godfather crippled us. I repeatedly had the feeling in this game that the rules were enforced simply for the sake of enforcing the rules with no regard as to their impact on the game situation and no common sense to see whether they actually should have been applied as harshly as they were. To even consider modkilling Vi for posting in red text!

Furthermore, I was censured for talking to dead players when I was also dead. That is utterly ridiculous in a normal game. What on earth is the point in such a strict application of said rule? Out of thread communication can endanger the integrity of a game when a player learns things that he shouldn't from out of game communication: think scum accidentally admitting to a townie in private that he is scum. It also helps prevent players garnering advice from more experienced players. Your draconian implementation adding nothing worthwhile.

The final tally:
2 scum crosskilled
1 scum modkilled
3 scum copped
1 scum setup by the other scumgroup
1 scum lynched legitimately.

GG to the town who bothered to play. Screw you to all the people in this game who just sat there on the sidelines and made this one of the most frustrating games of my mafia career.

[killa seven]

My lynch sucked, i was obv town

[Vi]

Cop is the worst common role in Mafia

Enforcing rules for the sake of enforcing rules without considering severity is painful for everyone

Vigs/Cops/NKs are so much more accurate than lynches (see below)

This game shows why scum win most large games (idiot Townies)

Pocket-sized for distilled truth on the go :arrow:

[ZazieR]

My lynch sucked, i was obv town

Deja vu

[ZazieR]

But I do agree with Shanba. If Vi wasn''t in this game or if Vi wasn''t a cop, there would have been a huge chance that scum had won.

[VP Baltar]

"Don't worry about dejkha much. I just finished a game with him not long ago and he's not that great of a scumhunter. Plus he gets very angry very easily. Worse comes to worse, I will get into it with him. He and I had a long drawn out spat in our other game and he did so much ad hom and what not that it was pretty easy for me to get him lynched (even though i was also town)." - VP

As much as I would love to argue about this (and I would), there's no point if the game is over =/

It's nothing personal, dej. I just felt like coming off of Open 150 that your buttons were easy to push and if I had to do it again I would. I think you were a bit more composed here, however, so maybe it wouldn't have happened. (Plus, going through that slugfest again just to get a mislynch on you wouldn't have been that enjoyable).

@OP--thanks for the props on the Sicilian play. We had some good members. Monkey played an awesome psychological game with the town and did a great job keeping attention away from the rest of us. The first day I was like WTF is he doing, but there was a definite method to his madness. WC was a good replacement as well, and except for his obsession with trying to get people modkilled (which I think is poor sportsmanship), he really helped the team a lot. Mole did a good job as our lurker scum and I think if he could have pulled it together in the last day and been a bit more authoritative, he might have been able to get the win.

[Shanba]

Oh, I also forgot to tell you how much the zwet situation pissed me off. Seriously, dejkha is spewing a low level constant torrent of abuse at zwet all game, zwet finally snaps and it's zwet who gets forced out.

[SensFan]

Just read about the DDD situation, and whoever the fuck modkilled him is dumb and doesn't understand the rule. He is within his rights to say he was lynched as a Jester in an ongoing game, and you were too fucking lazy to even CHECK if it was ongoing.

[SensFan]

Just kept reading, and the modding job is the worst one I've ever seen.

Modkilling people for no reason, threatening to modkill people for no real reason, and busting Mafia's fakeclaims publically.

As a warning to everyone, I have a bunch of experience with SSK, who has a reputation for being a terrible Mod.

[killa seven]

Just kept reading, and the modding job is the worst one I've ever seen.

Modkilling people for no reason, threatening to modkill people for no real reason, and busting Mafia's fakeclaims publically.

As a warning to everyone, I have a bunch of experience with SSK, who has a reputation for being a terrible Mod.

I never had a problem with ssk, but someone was talking about dejkha or however he spells it and that guy is a complete faggot who likes to threaten people in mafia games but is like a i said a faggot.

that is all.

[alexhans]

At least this game shows that lynching lurkers barely helps as both scum and town can use the same reason: Lurkers will be a distraction to us later.
They are just easy lynches for scum and give barely information.

The lesson should be that lurkers must play or be replaced... We HATE lurkers...

The sicilians were really organized. It took forever to read their quicktopic, especially compared to the Japanese one. But I thought the Sicilians played an excellent games, and would've deserved a win if they did.

I haven't read the whole QT but it looks great. Great scheming.

This will come with experience, but it helps to determine the difference between "scummy" and "behind" or "busy". I took forever trying to catch up (early lurking) and tried to force myself into the game (weird/aggressive) by getting into the main discussion at the time.

As the Sicilian mafia said... You didn't match up to your meta, at all. And please, don't claim being busy as an excuse when you gloat all over MS about the fact that you play tons of games at a time... It was not good enough.

I loved this game. It was my first large after all... And I actually thought that I could blend in with so many people and not get nightkilled that easy... I was wrong.

My lynch sucked, i was obv town

are you serious? You were obv NOTHING. And Shinnen had been scummy.

I somewhat agree with Shanba in wich the DDD modkill seemed rushed. Then the vig modkill looked as if it was done to compensate... I would've prefered warnings and a very cold an neutral modding.

I have to say that dead speaking is no problem at all...

The only thing that worries me is the fact that Mastin came back to the game after talking with dead scum... If you talk with scum... you shouldn't be able to replace back in.

I talked to OP, Shanba and Mastin while we were dead.

GG to the town who bothered to play. Screw you to all the people in this game who just sat there on the sidelines and made this one of the most frustrating games of my mafia career.

Thanks Shanba ... But I know why you really lost... because you didn't have me to buss all game long... XD

Oh, I also forgot to tell you how much the zwet situation pissed me off. Seriously, dejkha is spewing a low level constant torrent of abuse at zwet all game, zwet finally snaps and it's zwet who gets forced out.

^^I agree. Dej's attitude of constant ad hom towards Zwets (everywhere in MS) should not be encouraged. Dej was the one who should've been replaced at this point.

I love reading quicktopics...



There's so many crucial points where things could've turned totally different if people had chosen one option over the other...

sicilian mafia could've killed or inspected Vi earlier. Image could've been killed.

White Castle, VP Baltar and mole were great schemers IMO.

Monkey, I didn't like. I think I said more than once that the only thing that prevented me of lynching him was the doc claim because he was very scummy.

It's funny that people always seem to think that I have inside knowledge...

Now I can understand the logic behind lobster's kill.

The codewords stuff was really cool.

MOD: Can you please link in the first post to Each new day?

More later when I have more time...

[molestargazer]

Oh, bollocks!
I honestly thought that dejkha's support of my case having no basis could scrape me through today and tomorrow.
Well played by the town anyway.

To my scumbuddies - apologies for bringing you so far just to fall!

[molestargazer]

Although, I have to admit I agree with shanba Re: Zwet, and perhaps regarding the cops - although the second one might just be a luck thing if the game was balanced.

Either way, good game all. It was really fun.

[dejkha]

I never had a problem with ssk, but someone was talking about dejkha or however he spells it and that guy is a complete faggot who likes to threaten people in mafia games but is like a i said a faggot.

that is all.

Cry me a river, dick face. Seriously though, why come to the postgame of a game that you didn't even play in?

Mole, I thought you did a good job. I can't believe you were lynched. There was practically nothing on you =/

[image]

Good game, all. I was annoyed that everyone was believing Monkey's claim, but I didn't want to press him over it too much to avoid being NK'd. Looks like I went a bit to far with it in the end, though...

[dejkha]

I don't think most of us believed it. We just had to tolerate it. Because obviously he could've been the real Doc.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Nice, this debacle is over and the thread is still open. This game was by far and away the worst modded game I've played or frankly even seen and there's no chance in hell that I play a game modded by either Coug or SSK in the future. You know you've fucked up when the guy you unjustly modkilled thinks that that decision wasn't even the worst one the mods made all game (that would be the modkill of ac [As far as I can still tell, he was modkilled for running meta on another player; yes, modkilled for running meta on someone]). I could go on and on, but I'll leave it at the mods were fucking terrible, ruined the game in the process and don't expect to see this game on my wiki.

[VP Baltar]

sicilian mafia could've killed or inspected Vi earlier. Image could've been killed.

I did on Vi! Problem was that she claimed that day and simultaneously obliterated our whole team. Day late and a dollar short there. We really should have picked up on Image sooner with how much he was all over monkey after the claim. Getting rid of him certainly would have changed the game for us.

White Castle, VP Baltar and mole were great schemers IMO.

Monkey, I didn't like. I think I said more than once that the only thing that prevented me of lynching him was the doc claim because he was very scummy.

Thanks for the kudos. Don't discount monkey's play so easily. To a large extent he was doing it intentionally to keep attention away from the rest of us (since he was only a goon) and I think it worked fantastically. It's tough to walk the fine line between being scummy enough to attract attention and still never get lynched. I think he did this very well and I was pretty impressed by his team style play. That's what really makes a scum group work, imo.

Oh, bollocks!
I honestly thought that dejkha's support of my case having no basis could scrape me through today and tomorrow.
Well played by the town anyway.

To my scumbuddies - apologies for bringing you so far just to fall!

Don't worry about it. It would have been tough tomorrow even if you had gotten the mislynch today. I think you did pretty well overall. Like I said, you should have been a bit more aggressive in the final days. Strong logic is the best way to convince town to do your bidding.

Good game, all. I was annoyed that everyone was believing Monkey's claim, but I didn't want to press him over it too much to avoid being NK'd. Looks like I went a bit to far with it in the end, though...

Obviously you did a good job, Image. Iirc, there was one point in our QT where we talked about killing you, which I believe was monkey's idea. Guess we should have followed up on that.


re: modkills--I actually did feel they were a bit heavy handed and had I been town I would have voted against any more happening, but they were really working in our favor. At the end of Day 1 our team was like, 'whelp, this game is ours'. I probably wouldn't spew the hate towards the mods that some people have shown in this thread, but I think they should use better discretion in the future. That being said, I don't blame those who were affected by the modkills for being pissed off.

re: dejkha--seriously you do act like a jerk a lot on these forums and pretty much nobody but you finds it humorous. You need to grow up a bit and realize it's just a game. I can understand occasionally getting upset over something a player says or does, but when every time you post regarding certain players you have to insult them it becomes excessive. Zwet wasn't doing much of anything to warrant the kind of personal attacks you made at him, so stop trolling like that.

Anyhow, I can't wait to see what DDD has to say about this game in his wik.........oh

[MafiaSSK]

Oh, I also forgot to tell you how much the zwet situation pissed me off. Seriously, dejkha is spewing a low level constant torrent of abuse at zwet all game, zwet finally snaps and it's zwet who gets forced out.

SC made that one. I probably should have just made dejkha also get replaced. IT just seemed so silly to do since it was just against Zwet.

[MafiaSSK]

Just read about the DDD situation, and whoever the fuck modkilled him is dumb and doesn't understand the rule. He is within his rights to say he was lynched as a Jester in an ongoing game, and you were too fucking lazy to even CHECK if it was ongoing.

SC. Again.

[MafiaSSK]

I never had a problem with ssk, but someone was talking about dejkha or however he spells it and that guy is a complete faggot who likes to threaten people in mafia games but is like a i said a faggot.

that is all.

Cry me a river, dick face. Seriously though, why come to the postgame of a game that you didn't even play in?

People comment on games they didn't play to their best in all the time.

[SensFan]

Just read about the DDD situation, and whoever the fuck modkilled him is dumb and doesn't understand the rule. He is within his rights to say he was lynched as a Jester in an ongoing game, and you were too fucking lazy to even CHECK if it was ongoing.

SC. Again.

Somehow, I doubt that.

SC, I've seen to be a competent mod.
You, I've seen/heard that you're not.