Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[Lukewarm]

Hi

[WhemeStar]

I do result as malefactor that is correct!

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

votecount 2.5.4

DrippingGoofball (5) | WhemeStar, unwnd, Kakeguri, Pooky, Vecna
Vaxkiller (3) | DGB, Anya, Taco
Anya (1) | Taco Hemingway

Not Voting (9) | Everyone else

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to politely ask someone to leave.

[mastina]

pooky is town

Pretty damn sure of that, yes.

Does anyone know how many mafia members are on each team on average in these game’s?

For some reason I thought it was public info somewhere that it was 3 on each faction (with the malefactor being a 4th for both acting as a universal-traitor), but I apparently imagined that as I don't see that info anywhere.

I actually think Mastina is a wolf for shamelessly copying my Kakegari read and being so fascinated by the mafia NK reasoning

I mean I've good reason to be werewolf hunting. Mafia hunting has a bonus to it, but werewolf hunting is something I've more incentive to do.

Also, my read wasn't copied from yours given I've not read the thread at all pretty much; I came to it mostly on my own after being asked to iso Kakeguri, which made me instantly go "oh yeah they're probably scum here". I didn't really have anything to substantiate that conclusion; it was pure gut until today. But it was still there as one of the few reads I got on D1.

I think that Kakeguri has a fairly good chance of being scum here. If I had to guess, I would say werewolf is more likely than mafia, especially given their early townbinning of morph the cat. There was also their defense of Manatee. They had strong resistances to voting there, and while they did cast a vote on Manatee eventually, it was the L-2 vote after the wagon was inevitable, and Manatee did a self-hammer (that was actually L+1 because the mod missed my vote on Manatee in all his previous votecounts in spite of my vote having been valid), showing that by that point, it was inevitable and the werewolves knew Manatee was dead beyond salvation.

Are they lockscum, no, they could be mafia, they could be town, they could be the malefactor for all I know, but I don't think they're town and overall find them to be most likely to be a werewolf.

Also since we speed-limmed CT, I can actually vote there now, so:
VOTE: Kakeguri Addicts.

Even if this is a vanity vote I want it noted for the future (assuming Ceph notices my vote this time ) just to speak with my vote on the suspicion there.

[mastina]

ftr I don't really think vecna is a wolf

^Ditto this. I've not really done a deep delve, reading morph's case in depth, isoing Vecna, etc., but I actually don't see Vecna as scum. I want to place faith in morph's reads, but unlike morph's Manatee read which I got and vibed with, I just fundamentally can't see where the Vecna-with-Manatee comes from.

I'm an anti-ww PR and im gonna target you tonight pooky

I'm somewhat skeptical of this. It's obviously not impossible especially depending on the role claimed but I am not having high faith in Taco being town, here.

VOTE: unwnd

For the record, my town list right now looks something like:
Celestial PowerHouse
Pookythemagicalbear
Lukewarm
unwnd
Dannflor*
Uncle Shelby

My given-pass-either-due-to-roleclaim-or-thinking-them-less-likely tier of lesser town is:
Vecna
Ythan**
WhemeStar**
Vaxkiller**

I've yet to develop good thoughts on:
Kazyan (I've seen a few posts that loosely look town but nothing that tells me they ARE town especially in multiball, need to look into it more)

VFP/DGB
The Resistance
Anya

I think have higher than random chances of flipping scum:
Taco Hemmingway
petapan

Kakeguri Addicts (strong scumread, I think werewolf specifically)


*subject to reconsideration on D4 (in Dannflor's case due to his predecessor)
**roleclaim-based

With 3 scum dead, the game presumably has either 4 scum left (malefactor + wwx2 + mafiax1) or 6 scum left (malefactor + wwx3 + mafiax2) so I realize I'm at least one scum short in the "higher than random chances of flipping scum" field at minimum, but presumably after the people I've got no locked down read on, I develop a read on, I'll have a sufficient number of scumreads. (Also the passes I'm giving to the pass category are just that, passes, not indefinite, have an expiration.)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

She'll die by crossfire I'm not worried about it

SHES BULLETPROOFF

i dont even know how i knew this about ydra i bet ceph snorted his drink thru his nose when he read that.

[Vecna]

VOTE: anya
after some thought I'm gonna dump vote here. goodnight.

i think this is the first person that taco has voted this isnt blatantly town and also probably not town.
anya is a great vig target. vigs take notes now.

-Mister Ocean

Taking more chances to be wolf-piled again:

I think Taco is blatantly town here. I dont get the suspicion at all there. Annoyance, maybe.

I also think you secretly dont scumread me at all here.

[mastina]

i'm reasonably confident vecna isn't a wolf, morph was reading way too much into manatee's reads, don't think he's a good vote

Would this be because you are a wolf and he's not your scumbuddy?

Mary says Taco is about rand for being scum - I think it's a bit more likely than that. We've noted their soft claim.

For the record: my current guess is Kakeguri + petapan as werewolves, Taco as last mafiate, ????? as malefactor, but obviously this is just a wild guess, got a lot of reading + research to do before locking anything down there more substantially.

Word

I realize I am giving Vaxkiller a role-based pass for now but of the people who're in my temporary-pass category, btw, Vaxkiller would be the first to have that pass expire for what it's worth.

I'm giving him a role-based pass for now, but the moment I choose not to, he'd shoot to near the top of my elimination preferences.

[Vecna]

I counted the

words

in Vaxkiller's iso.

THERE ARE

FIFTY EIGHT

WORDS

TOTAL.

Interesting post after the defense just used in the prior post to excuse VFX or w/e his name is

[Vecna]

VOTE: mastina

Sheep me.

You can't possibly believe that Vaxkiller is town.

check the pt first

I guess this is that game with tons of hidden private chats eh?

[mastina]

So in other words... We're basically blindly sheeping morph here? Like, morph the cat is pretty good, but it seems wrong to just end the day prematurely under the basis that their reads are perfect. That's rarely the case for anyone. Plus by the looks of it, it's unlikely we're going to gleam any useful info from this day phase because of the way it is playing out.

For the record: speeding our way through our first elimination in a day phase with two eliminations sharing one deadline is actually optimal play imo as whenever you have two day eliminations in the same phase sharing the same deadline, you either get the first elimination done quickly and the second slowly or the first slowly and then have less than 72 hours give or take 48 hours for the second elimination.

Since we did get the first elimination, we can spend as much time as we want to on the second. We can use 48 hours or we can use a week; we'll use as much time as we think we need to use.

So I'm not in any rush to end the day, but I'm also not in any rush to artificially extend the day, forcing it to last longer than it needs to.

[Vecna]

Mastina, why do you think Ythan's role excludes him from the werewolf pool?

Im highly surprised that not more people are on that slots' balls given how EOD1 transpired (constant insistence of wagoning dann over Manatee, weird hirsute claim)

[mastina]

also strange that mastina says this about spiffeh but the effort she puts into explaining it like she did for dannflor is very reduced

Well,
1: I already made the point once; having made the point, I didn't need to make it a second time,
2: I actually respect Dannflor more as a town player than I do Spiffeh--that's not to say I don't respect Spiffeh; I

do

, it's just that I respect Dannflor

more

than I respect Spiffeh, so while they had similar logic applied, Dannflor was more worthy of it than Spiffeh,
3: Especially off of actual game events. I did at one point briefly iso Dannflor and saw his content as possibly-scum-but-also-looking-good/promising-town/etc. A similar iso of Spiffeh showed him to be the opposite, as being possibly-town-but-also-looking-incredibly-lackluster/rather-scum/etc. So while both got similar passes, Dannflor was more worthy of it thus more time spent on Dannflor,
4: I like Dannflor as a player more than Spiffeh. Spiffeh's playstyle can be abrasive, but Dannflor? Dannflor's playstyle is literally like listening to the smoothest, sexiest-sounding male guy you can think of. He's literally the type of guy whose words speak to you in a way that you could fall asleep to, not out of boredom, but out of the sheer serenity their calmness instills within you.
5: Also, Dannflor was a more topical discussion, Spiffeh a more minor discussion. Dannflor's slot formed a majority of the earlygame content and that was an area of the game I was more familiar with, Spiffeh was a more recent event that I had no familiarity with.

Ythan and Vaxkiller are off the table for me today because I lean more towards not-scum on them overall;

I'd say her Vaxkiller "not-scum" read is pulled from the void.

It was pulled from their roleclaims and thinking those claimed roles to be less likely to be scum, but explicitly not impossible to be scum.

[mastina]

I guess this is that game with tons of hidden private chats eh?

Oh, definitely.

After all, the mod literally explained in the advertising of this game that it could break assumed standards by giving examples from

neighborhoods

, with the implication that it'd apply to masonries, monkhoods, etc., too. I'd be shocked if we had less than 5 private topics, honestly.

Mastina, why do you think Ythan's role excludes him from the werewolf pool?

Setup gut. As in, setup spec, but instead of speculating with my brain where there's logic to back up the speculation, pure gut feeling. A gut read on some setup distribution.

Which is why it's a pass-for-now, not an indefinite pass. I fully realize I'll need to reassess that later.

[Celestial Powerhouse]

well it wasnt 50, but 17 is still more than I'm willing to read.

-Hades, god of "Sum it up for me?"

[WhemeStar]

You guys didn’t want to speed lynch and now the wagon is gone and people will focus elsewhere

I’m sorry morph I’m trying to make you proud of this town

[Vaxkiller]

Vaxkiller, do you have any reads? How much have you read?

Very little. I started reading when the game started but I think I stopped around page 20 or something. That's about it. I've been reading since I posted this day.

[Anya]

@Anya

You said you would have been on board with Cheeky, is there reason you are avoiding the new leading wagon, dgb?

spiffeh was wolfy and two players took the high road

vfp or dgb i don't really have any sticky notes on

[Vaxkiller]

What's the deal with Vaxkiller only having 10 posts? Alt slips?

Game started on a weekend. Ended before the weekend was up. I'm rarely here on weekends.

[Vaxkiller]

Voteparking.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

The Vaxkiller is know posts at a decent rate and is deeply involved in the pit. Ten posts in >130 pages? One post every 13 pages?

He's not even bothering to play. He probably lost a lot of his buddies

This is gross DGB. You are just looking and low posters for scum. Town you doesn't do that. Also I used my first post to tell everyone I check as carrying a gun.

[Vaxkiller]

I counted the

words

in Vaxkiller's iso.

THERE ARE

FIFTY EIGHT

WORDS

TOTAL.

Dang, I was shooting for a different number, but I probably overshot that by now.

[Vaxkiller]

Look at me

I dont know I want to do something

y dgb?

y dgb?

Look at VFP's iso

Also, Morph told us too

I dont get it. ELI5 plz

like they are literally doing nothing and dont wanna commit to anythign LOL

deadass did the same dip in dip out that spiffeh did


tbh prob gonna flip malefactor but doubtful this is town

VOTE: Taco

[Vaxkiller]

Not an OMGUS vote. Your reasoning is shit. So is DGB's but yours is more opportunistic. My posts on day 1 were not spread out, I posted then stopped posting. I was only there for the beginning of day 1, then posted a VLA sometime during the weekend when I knew I wouldn't get back to the game.

[Vaxkiller]

vfp's inactivity is pretty blatantly NAI like idc, judge the slot based on the newcomer, nothing VFP said was alignment indicative when their claim of being sick is applied, and if you think it was, you're trolling

Lukewarm doesn't want to vote his buddy Vax.

I like lukewarm, he has a logical approach to the game. TOwnpoints for him.

DGB. I always give you the benefit of the doubt at first and put you in the town camp. But you are losing cred post by post.