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[Cavebear with a toothache]

Arbitrary is pretty much the same as random in this case, as it's not commonly entirely random in the mathematical sense of the word. Well, except in the case of people who use dice rolls and stuff, but that's just boring. >_> Plus, random votes aren't always random, a cop might "random vote" someone who they investigated N0 for example.

Anyway, OMGUS

vote: Slaine Hayes

, obv. bandwagoning scum.

[Dattebayo]

Anyway, OMGUS vote: Slaine Hayes, obv. bandwagoning scum.

Your probably wrong; looking at the timings it looked Slaine Hayes simulposted and therefore didn't bandwagon.

Personal choice for a random vote is to me much more useful. If you have a reason, no matter what it is, it is something. By saying that your vote is random, you are making sure that in no way you can be held accountable for it.

It looks like you are attacking #44, is my interpretation correct?

[LlamaFluff]

Personal choice for a random vote is to me much more useful. If you have a reason, no matter what it is, it is something. By saying that your vote is random, you are making sure that in no way you can be held accountable for it.

It looks like you are attacking #44, is my interpretation correct?

One of my irks is when people deliberately call their inital vote random when they make it, or use a random generator, so yes I am attacking him a bit.

This isnt intended to lynch him, but it definantly will generate discussion on the early part of the game, and let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

[Gojira]

As I understand it, it's quite normal for initial votes to be either arbitrary or random - sometimes called the latter even when they're more the former.

...let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

If you like.

Vote: LlamaFluff

- you're making far too much of a big deal out of it, I think.

[LlamaFluff]

arbitrary or random

Yes, and to me they are two different things, and are to be treated differently

...let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

If you like.

Vote: LlamaFluff

- you're making far too much of a big deal out of it, I think.

Duley noted, when I challenge random votes, you decide not to random vote. Instead you vote the person challenging random votes compared to arbitrary ones. Therefore making an arbitrary vote... like I did.

[FlyingFoxBat]

LlamaFluff, you are, in my opinion, getting quite overexcited over this. In the random voting stage, it is of absolutely no significance who you vote for, because of the fact that you are only doing going to keep the vote until somebody sparks conversation. Whether or not a person votes for a random person or uses a generator is of no significance.

[XReyoX]

FlyingFoxBat (2): FlyingFoxBat, Phoebus
Cavebear with a toothache (2): Gimbo, Slaine Hayes
LlamaFluff (2): skitzer, Gojira
#44 (1): LlamaFluff
Gimbo (1): Corinthian
Phoebus (1): #44
Tommy (1): Dattebayo
Slaine Hayes (1): Cavebear with a toothache

Not voting (1): Tommy

7 votes to lynch

[LlamaFluff]

LlamaFluff, you are, in my opinion, getting quite overexcited over this. In the random voting stage, it is of absolutely no significance who you vote for, because of the fact that you are only doing going to keep the vote until somebody sparks conversation. Whether or not a person votes for a random person or uses a generator is of no significance.

Just to say it, to ME, I do not like it when someone takes the time to insist upon the fact that their vote was truely random. Most people pick out their D1 votes for arbitrary reasons, which I dont mind at all. When you feel the need to justify that your first vote was not up to you though, I do find that suspicious, and will vote accordingly.

[Tommy]

On a more serious note, why did you feel compelled to say:

Hello. Hope you all have a good game.

My first non-newbie one.

Compelled? I didn't feel compelled. Just announcing a personal milestone as a point of general interest.

[Corinthian]

In the random voting stage, it is of absolutely no significance who you vote for, because of the fact that you are only doing going to keep the vote until somebody sparks conversation.

Yeah, but the conversation is often about who voted for whom, and why.

[Gimbo]

LlmaStuff is obvious scum, huge IGMEOY and also FlyingFoxBat, why are you voting for yourself?

[Phoebus]

Lynch the guy who's voting for himself, already!

[Dattebayo]

...let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

If you like.

Vote: LlamaFluff

- you're making far too much of a big deal out of it, I think.

It is true that Llama is overexcited, but why is that scummy?
At the time of your vote, there seem to be pro-town intentions behind it: Llamafluff is trying to get information from the reactions his attack produces.

FoS: Gojira

until you can give a reasonable answer to my question.

[Gojira]

It is true that Llama is overexcited, but why is that scummy?
At the time of your vote, there seem to be pro-town intentions behind it: Llamafluff is trying to get information from the reactions his attack produces.

FoS: Gojira

until you can give a reasonable answer to my question.

I don't think it's neccesarily pro-town intentions. 'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill, to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent. Of course, you could say that about just about any scumhunting - my own included - but I guess that's the art of the game, to figure out what's scum trying to implicate a townie and what's genuine scumhunting.

My reasoning here is that he's jumping on something that occurs in every game (as far as I'm aware) and is arguing semantics (arbitrary vs random). Not a great lead, but it's a start.

[Dattebayo]

I don't think it's neccesarily pro-town intentions. 'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill,

to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent

.

Your vote was unjustified:

This isnt intended to lynch him

, but it definantly will generate discussion on the early part of the game, and let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

My reasoning here is that he's jumping on something that occurs in every game (as far as I'm aware) and is arguing semantics (arbitrary vs random). Not a great lead, but it's a start.

Llama isn't making it into a great lead and wants to use it as a way to get reactions.

Vote: Gojira

[Dattebayo]

EBWOP:
Llama isn't making it into a great lead and

[just]

wants to use it as a way to get reactions.

[XReyoX]

FlyingFoxBat (2): FlyingFoxBat, Phoebus
Cavebear with a toothache (2): Gimbo, Slaine Hayes
LlamaFluff (2): skitzer, Gojira
#44 (1): LlamaFluff
Gimbo (1): Corinthian
Phoebus (1): #44
Slaine Hayes (1): Cavebear with a toothache
Gojira (1): Dattebayo

Not voting (1): Tommy

7 votes to lynch

[FlyingFoxBat]

also FlyingFoxBat, why are you voting for yourself?

I voted for myself in the random vote stage of the game. I am at L- 5 at this point, so there is no need to unvote myself just yet.

[skitzer]

I usually unvote after the first few votecounts (or in this case, the first few), but I'm pretty comfortable with my vote.

[Gimbo]

FOS:Dattebayo

just a bad hunch

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Unvote.

Seems random phase is over, goody.

'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill, to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent.

Yep, that seems to fit your vote on LlamaFluff pretty good.

Vote: Gojira

My reasoning here is that he's jumping on something that occurs in every game (as far as I'm aware)

Just a minor point; it doesn't. At least not by everyone (there are probably someone randomly voting in pretty much every game except maybe some small one). Some people get jumpy when people don't though (case in point: my first game on the site), so it's commonly done. Plus as I said before, can be useful to hide info, esp. after a night start.

[Corinthian]

'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill, to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent.

Yep, that seems to fit your vote on LlamaFluff pretty good.

QFT. I think the people jumping on the Llamawagon look a lot scummier than Llama himself at this point.

[Slaine Hayes]

I wholeheartedly agree with Corinthian, this situation has been taken completely out of context.

[Gojira]

'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill, to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent.

Yep, that seems to fit your vote on LlamaFluff pretty good.

*shrug* As I said, the art's distinguishing what's genuine and what's scum. I'm just following up on my initial lead. If I'm convinced otherwise or see something better, I'll shift my focus.

My reasoning here is that he's jumping on something that occurs in every game (as far as I'm aware)

Just a minor point; it doesn't. At least not by everyone (there are probably someone randomly voting in pretty much every game except maybe some small one). Some people get jumpy when people don't though (case in point: my first game on the site), so it's commonly done. Plus as I said before, can be useful to hide info, esp. after a night start.

Interesting. I'll go and do some reading of other games - could you let us know what game you refer to, so I can go and have a look? I assumed that random voting was both common and commonly accepted, but if I'm proved wrong...

[Gojira]

Oh, and;

EBWOP:
Llama isn't making it into a great lead and

[just]

wants to use it as a way to get reactions.

Fairly sure that's what I'm trying to do. Putting a second vote on at 7 to lynch is not 'omg he's definitely scum', it's more indicating where my suspicions lie, possibly creating a bit of pressure as well shou.ld people agree with me and add a couple more.