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[CCC]

So... when you were Mafia, you were

sacred

of using RQS around certain players...???

Scared

makes sense in that sentence - if you had reason to be concerned that using RQS in front of those players would lead to you being outed as scum. But I don't know how to even parse the word 'sacred' in that sentence structure. Could you perhaps elaborate on your meaning?

<snip>

RC, and Frogger had fresh town meta of me playing a game where I didn't RQS, or open with anything notable really. Thought I should keep that in line and not introduce something unexpected

The "???" was in reference to Accountant here.

More importantly, I was scared of using RQS around players like RC, Frogger, and JayReed.

???

What did you need this info for?

Frankly, putting 'sacred' (meaning 'holy') into your sentence made absolutely no sense at all. Putting 'scared' (meaning 'worried' or 'concerned') made a whole lot of sense. So I couldn't figure out why you said that the word should have been 'sacred' (meaning 'holy') and not 'scared' (meaning 'concerned').

The word you originally had made sense, and after this post I am even more certain that you had the correct spelling to begin with. The word you said it

should

have been

didn't

make sense (and still doesn't).

At this point, I'm inclined to think that you meant 'scared' (meaning 'concerned') the whole time and simply got a bit muddled when you tried to correct it.

Right now my reads are:

Cheetory6, Gamma Emerald, notsure, Accountant,

MuttonChopMagic, Not_Mafia, Hiraki, CCC, Klick, DeathRowKitty,

Backhand, NotTheRealPaul,

My scum reads aren't especially strong, but I am p confidant in all my town reads.

The newly subbed in players are the dead null on the list of course.

Hmmmmm. You're not the first to feel a lack of confidence in Backhand.

My current reads:

Towniest of the Town:
CCC

Slightly Townish:
Backhand, Cheetory

Mostly Neutral:
Accountant, Gamma, Grendel, Notsure, Raya36

Neutral but annoying:
MuttonChopMagic

Slightly scummy:
DeathRowKitty, Klick, NotTheRealPaul

The only one of these reads that's really got any strength at all is my own read, and that's only because I've seen my own role PM. But that's more or less my thinking so far.

I think I'm happy leaving my vote where it is for the moment.

What backhand doing way up there?

It's a weak read. General impression. He seems to be asking questions, trying to understand other people's motivations. He just... feels genuine, I guess.

Like I said, it's a weak read. He's looking just a slight bit better than neutral.

[CCC]

I have experience of CCC using his meta as a popular D1 lynch to dissuade lynch rallying on him as both alignments. This situation seems like a parallel to me.

I don't know

why

I'm a popular Day One lynch, but if I can use the fact to become a less popular Day One lynch, I will do so. I actually

like

playing games for more than a single day on occasion...

[NotTheRealPaul]

Once I feel I have a solid preliminary readslist Ill put it here
I have a solid chunk of townreads rn and one scumread

I'd certainly like to see your list, once it's ready.

dunno if you didnt read or trying to look like you are encouraging discussion. I already said this.

Don't hold your breath

lol

@backhand

accountant

drk

slight lean town on notsure but not willing to sheep here for obvious reasons

Cheetory Id prob sheep as well

[MuttonChopMagic]

I'll answer your stupid question when you answer mine
give and take, ya feel, rhyme

That is fair.

If that was what I wanted to do it sure seems dumb that I'd also engage with them and try to understand their reads and thought process

And those few pages were bad, don't lie to yourself

I thought this was a good point, he has been doing a good job of engaging. And while I might not totally agree about the first few pages being bad (or maybe I've just been in very few "good" first pages), it seemed genuine.

Now, the same? You scumread grendel through a whole pbpa, why was all of that discounted?

And. . . yes paul, you need scumreads. Or, hell, since you've said a couple times you want to sheep people, I'll take townreads? Who do you want to sheep?

well, yea, on the surface a pbpa vote like that is pretty ironclad
but it was like page 10, probably full of confbias, and im still glad
it let me advance the game and develop a read on grendel
and due to being my case scum can't really meddle

[NotTheRealPaul]

whats pbpa?

[CCC]

I don't really want to put up with a contrivance the whole game, and I'll admit that's probably coloring my views, but if you look past that to the content, you get:

An OMGUS vote, poorly explained
An OMGUS vote, not at all explained

I'm baffled as to why anyone would townread the slot.

I may be taking it too far the other way. I also don't want to have to put up with this all game, and it's leaving a bad impression - so to compensate, I'm completely ignoring my general impression and trying to work on explicit tells only.

But yeah, his votes could certainly use a bit more explanation.

[CCC]

Who is masian

Masian is a legendary poster on this site. It was once said that she once caught the entire scum team on page 1. She has never not been protected at night and when she replaces into games, it's standard operating procedure for the scum to just claim and let themselves get lynched to save everyone time. She quit mafia after the FBI offered her a lucrative contract to put her skills to work sniffing out Russian spies.

So, Masian is Chuck Norris's screen name, then?

[MuttonChopMagic]

my klick read is from very little content very early so clearly it's not strong
but I believe building early wagons is pro town (hence wht I voted cheet) and him getting pushed for it was wrong
his quicklynch post is clearly not for real
but, a) scum doesn't usually post like that due to attention ya feel
and b) the fact it was taken seriously confused me
so, he gets to be green until something shows me otherwise you see?
and no, he can't just idle and keep that green
if he subs my read goes back to neutral and bleak

[MuttonChopMagic]

whats pbpa?

post by post analysis boy
basically an iso on steroids

[CCC]

Hi, Hiraki!

I'm glad to see you're jumping right in with your views!

No, I don't. I do think that they'll grab it with both hands if it falls into their lap, though.

OK but that's why you're the only one voting Klick - you understand this, no?

That's reasonable. Right now, I'd be perfectly happy switching my vote to either NotTheRealPaul or DeathRowKitty; none of them are really strong scumreads individually, but I'm pretty confident that at least

one

of them is Mafia.

[Backhand]

I may be taking it too far the other way. I also don't want to have to put up with this all game, and it's leaving a bad impression - so to compensate, I'm completely ignoring my general impression and trying to work on explicit tells only.

That's what scares me--that people are compensating too much.

My first game here was viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71640 where it became very clear in retrospect that we had all given rb and thefuzzylogic too much leeway in not engaging with the game because they both had weird or disengaged playstyles. Maybe I'm overreacting to that one game, but as long as me and mcm are both in the game he'll be under increased scrutiny from me.

But I'm feeling better with this morning's interactions.

Vote notmafia

Haven't caught up yet, or don't want to? Whatcha thinking?

[CCC]

A majorty of the scum reads around him seem to do with his posting gimmick and him being scummy for that vs reasons I think are creditable?

This is one of the things I find particularly worrying about the calls against MuttonChopMagic. Calls to lynch someone for a posting gimmick just feel a lot like Mafia trying to push through a lynch on a Townie - and then get away with minimal suspicion when he does, in fact, flip Town.

[CCC]

NotTheRealPaul (1): NotTheRealPaul

Why does this still exist?

Hmmmm. Looking back at this... I notice that a self-vote takes the player's name out of the 'not voting' pile and makes it look, to a casual glance over the votecount, that he's participating more than he is. So I guess it

could

be an attempt to look busy.

[CCC]

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be."

is

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think my read on DRK to be.

Not sure can you explain this? DRK hasnt even voted you Im not sure how he is trying to start a wagon on you

Notsure never said that DRK was starting a wagon

on Notsure

. He said that DRK was starting a wagon

as a distraction

to draw attention away from Notsure's read on DRK.

[CCC]

I considered his replies satisfactory
do you need a sentence by sentence reaction to see?
like, not sure what that question means

what about my reply did you not like g

Requoting the same post over and over does not magically make people understand you better. Sometimes, rephrasing the same statement in different words

does

, and I can strongly recommend such a strategy in the future.

[CCC]

Don't hold your breath

Hikari replaced in well after you, and he's been reading, talking, engaging with the game. There's honestly nothing in your slot

to

read.

I won't hold my breath, but... do you think you could at least let us know your current reads?

[Accountant]

A majorty of the scum reads around him seem to do with his posting gimmick and him being scummy for that vs reasons I think are creditable?

This is one of the things I find particularly worrying about the calls against MuttonChopMagic. Calls to lynch someone for a posting gimmick just feel a lot like Mafia trying to push through a lynch on a Townie - and then get away with minimal suspicion when he does, in fact, flip Town.

Practically speaking policy lynches never go through

[Accountant]

I won't hold my breath, but... do you think you could at least let us know your current reads?

You shouldn't have such lofty expectations of N_M.

[CCC]

Once I feel I have a solid preliminary readslist Ill put it here
I have a solid chunk of townreads rn and one scumread

I'd certainly like to see your list, once it's ready.

dunno if you didnt read or trying to look like you are encouraging discussion. I already said this.

Hadn't got that far at the time of posting. I saw Gamma's post, checked his ISO to look for the reads, didn't find them, and posted. Came across your post only afterwards.

[CCC]

my klick read is from very little content very early so clearly it's not strong
but I believe building early wagons is pro town (hence wht I voted cheet) and him getting pushed for it was wrong
his quicklynch post is clearly not for real
but, a) scum doesn't usually post like that due to attention ya feel
and b) the fact it was taken seriously confused me
so, he gets to be green until something shows me otherwise you see?
and no, he can't just idle and keep that green
if he subs my read goes back to neutral and bleak

...ah, okay. That makes sense, thank you.

I did consider that it might have been a deliberate attempt to look Towny by pretending to be Mafia in such an overblown way that no-one takes it seriously (and if it

was

then your reaction was precisely the intended one) but maybe I've been going too far down the rabbit hole.

[MuttonChopMagic]

okay okay so I have some good poe going
this should make the scum start showing
cheetory, accountant, klick, gamma, notsure as green
so that leaves 3/7 scum in {bigben, ccc, paul, backhand, raya, grendel, drk}, neat

not much has really changed besides grendel switching teams
VOTE: raya I don't remember anything from him it seems

let me redo this as a lynchpool for the day
I like ccc as town now and he should stay
{not mafia, backhand, Paul, drk, hiraki}
As of now I'm okay with lynching any of these

[MuttonChopMagic]

any of those 5 wanna convince me they're town?
shrinking poe even more... I'd be proud

[CCC]

Vote notmafia

Haven't caught up yet, or don't want to? Whatcha thinking?

I'm thinking 'doesn't want to'. It looks like he's pulling off one or two low-content posts per day - just enough to still be playing while not letting any information out from himself. It'll be interesting to see how that strategy plays out.

[NotTheRealPaul]

How I convince you I town?

Its in towns best interest that I survive a night or two

[MuttonChopMagic]

I'm not gonna spoonfeed how to get that far
certainly not by softing a pr