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[northsidegal]

VC 1.05

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implosion

(1): Creature

katherine

(5): MariaR, implosion, Tchill13, Luca Blight, Mumble

MariaR

(2): katherine, brassherald

killthestory

(2): Cedrick, Havo

Mumble

(1): Killthestory

Not Voting

(2): Ausuka, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-03-22 19:42:59)

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[MariaR]

mine

[MariaR]

FUCK YOU NSG

[MariaR]

....I-I mean I love my mod

[MariaR]

Ausuka
brassherald
Mumble
katherine
Luca Blight
implosion
tring the people not in this list

[katherine]

You're only voting mumble off meta aren't you?

How would mumble have meta told

i'd vote there if mumble wasn't almost certainly a wolf.

Welcome to Real World mafiascum. Where people stop being fake and start being real.

Basically all of the reads you have given are fake in attempt to stir up drama. Please stop

What does drama mean in this context? I think anything that would be called drama is usually helpful in mafia

These remain

weird entrance + scumreads on katherine and tchill seem like low hanging fruit.

how am I low hanging fruit?

also I just noticed your signature :[

Candidates For Promotion

Katherine

VOTE: ausuka
"I expect to townread this person more" doesn't seem like a real thought

Demote me

I like the reasoning but I wouldn't nail Katherine as scum based solely on that yet.

it was a joke then?

This and katherine's previous posts look like shy scum.

I don't get this

I like the reasoning but I wouldn't nail Katherine as scum based solely on that yet.

I dislike every word of this. Maria's reasoning was shit, and who's naiing anyone as scum on page two?

In general entering with a hard case on someone is kind of odd to me

The "who's nailing anyone on page 2" makes it odd to me that, for example, he doesn't paid mind to kts

Katherine, how much mafia experience do you have?

A medium amount I guess

What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?

It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.

Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.

This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say I'm almost thinking it's Town.

I don't see how it's alignment indicative? Sounds like a general playstyle thing

ok other people noted that

Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.

pedit: If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it. Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.

Excuse me? What about my vote looks like a bus?

This is something I thought as well

There have been a couple things from gamma that I also thought or I was like "woah nice catch" which often means town

It's very obvious KTS wants to get the thought across that I'm not a good player and while I should be TR'd I probably shouldn't be listened to.

Thoughts on that?

I don't see anything that suggests he's specifically discrediting your reads

Exactly what does calling people terrible accomplish again? Why not just play with that in mind in stead of making sure everyone knows you think X is trash at the game? Are you the king of mafia? because we need to work as a team instead of degrading multiple people before we get into the actual game.

Yes yes yes

looking for a deepwolf

Why!!

don't need to push you

How so? "I wouldn't need to do this thing as scum here" is a weighty claim

kts is also starting to sound like he's making shit up in a scummy way. His flip on tchill is really odd and makes more sense from scum than from town i think. I don't think that town-kts would display as much confidence on the tchill read as he did if it was capable of being overturned by such a simple meta dive; the read itself was sort of implicitly meta-based.

I mean you can misremember things

What is the scum motive for 180ing like that? Changing your mind based on some new information is something that typically rings town

Your reaction was still OMGUS.

...what is the implication of this

I think KTS last page has been genuine as fuck. Could be wrong

I mean that is really only "I see why I left the site" but... yes I see that

VOTE: katherine

Cool here.

blegh

...

Ok this is super helpful

You had a bunch of content but I was wondering if there was more reasoning behind it because you did a lot of generic reads/gamestate talk which comes from scum a lot

Obv. would rather you kept playing

[katherine]

Imaginably someone would say "what is your reaction to the wagon on you" so

Aah! oh no

none of the last four people are a townread and maria is only somewhat of a townread so bring it on I guess

[implosion]

like, i'm not sure how i'm supposed to respond to these posts without getting frustrated. i'm getting belittled, insulted, and blatantly called stupid for attempting to push the gamestate forward and accurately lock scum to certain pools to which i believe in. i don't know these people, i've tried not to antagonize anyone, and these guys are sitting here pretending like they're superior to me.

Idk who here is acting like they're superior to you. I'm getting annoyed by your posting because you sound consistently like you think you're superior to everyone else, claiming to have solved the game in five pages, claiming that you have rock-solid knowledge of your own meta and that people who think they should be townreading you are wrong no matter what their reasoning is, consistently dismissing people on face when they say they have reads that are the opposite of yours, using terminology that's atypical of this site and then getting angry at people when they ask what you mean, hammering a hard scumread on someone with a single post for several pages and acting as though the reasoning for that scumread was so self-evident that you shouldn't need to explain it in the slightest and that anyone who didn't get it wasn't reading the game...

You've been coming off as very, very antagonistic, and people are responding in kind; many people aren't even being antagonistic, and you're interpreting what they're saying as antagonistic for whatever reason (e.g. 35, 58, and generally a lot of what you cited being people responding to your refusal to acknowledge that they have their own opinions).

You're being impossible to work with because you refuse to explain anything (though the wall is at least a start) and demand that we all figure out what you mean. I have a hard time believing that you have real internal state to your reads that isn't manufactured; I don't really read alignment info into the claim of feeling attacked but I don't see any evidence that you've formed genuine opinions and the way that your reads are pushed forward so assertively and yet are able to change with the wind (specifically tchill) is scummy.

[Ausuka]

Candidates For Promotion

Katherine

VOTE: ausuka
"I expect to townread this person more" doesn't seem like a real thought

Demote me

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I was town in all of these games.

I'll make a proper post when I read the last few pages properly.

[implosion]

I mean you can misremember things

What is the scum motive for 180ing like that? Changing your mind based on some new information is something that typically rings town

It's not new information though. It's information that he should have already had. At least, he was acting like he was damn familiar with Tchill's meta, and reading a towngame for 5 minutes shouldn't change that and I have a hard time believing that he genuinely flipped so staunchly from that.

The scum motivation is as simple as wanting to fake a read or potentially wanting another mislynch candidate.

[implosion]

Unvote

VOTE: Killthestory

Don't like mumble's vote and don't want this wagon lolhammered before he gives content. 356 also might be town.

[implosion]

implosion really, really contradicts himself here. your entrance is exactly your first post,

no, entrance means opening posts, not first post. At least that's what i meant by it.

[implosion]

sorry, that was from kts's wall.

[implosion]

i really disliked this post from implosion as it felt too easy of a pile on, and he just seemingly goes along with what maria said without offering anything of his own. no resistance to the scumread, no genuine reads of his own. seems like a typical wolf play for a mislynch early on.

Wherein kts asserts that my agreeing with maria on katherine is not genuine, because it is not genuine and because it is merely agreeing with katherine??

what do you even mean by "resistance to the scumread"? You have given literally zero hesitation on a single one of the opinions you've given in this game.

switches up his whole narrative instantly after half assing a push against cedrick. again, fake reads.

Again, not a shred of reasoning for why this is scummy. "switches up his whole narrative" is just a way of casting shade on me for changing an opinion, without looking even slightly at the substance of why I might be changing it and without any interest in my reasons for it. Also, claiming that I pushed cedrick is ridiculous. Literally all I said was I was skeptical of his opening. If that constitutes a push in the slightest then idk.

another wishy washy read that gives almost no value to the thread. definitrly in our lynch pool.

Wherein kts continues the process of quoting a post of mine, describing that post using the most negative language he can, and declaring me scum based on that interpretation of it.

individually, these posts are good. in the context of the game, i seriously wonder why implosion only commented on us 5 when there's more colorful personalities within the game. it really feels he's trying to avoid spew on any scumbuddies or scummy town, and he's trying to let the game progress to a mislynch without damning himself. really scummy play imo, he's gotta go soon.

I think this above any of the others demonstrates that kts doesn't have any interest whatsoever in actually sorting me or engaging with people despite him proclaiming that he didn't want the game to stagnate.

He "wonders" why I only commented on those five people, yet instead of asking me, he IMMEDIATELY jumps to the conclusion "implosion must be scum who's trying to do any of eleven different possible scum motivations for this" instead of (1) considering that i might have any degree of town motivation for it, or (2) literally fucking asking why I only mentioned those people.

[implosion]

And ftr, I mentioned those people because they were the people I either had solid reads on, or wanted to float ideas about. I want more input on gamma and on KTS from other people.

Luca pinged town at one point but idr where and am not in a big rush to sort that slot. Also need to sort brass and havo. Creature I don't have a read on yet but he's the kind of slot where if everyone else calls him town I'm probably willing to defer to consensus; afaik he's gotten this recent meta of contributing iff he's town, and I don't think that meta existed last time that I played with him.

[Tchill13]

I like your break down.

I thought KTS was town because I see that style of play from town a lot but if he's gonna pitch a fit and begin to coast he may need to be the day one lynch because my confidence has been wavering on my read due to his down hill spiral.

Gamma come off a little odd as well. Declared I was scum based off my meta I do believe.

I'm not sure if you want MY input but of the two is believe gamma to be scum. I feel that rn scum could try to spearhead a lynch on me and brush it off as "tchill needs to play more like a towny day 1" and continue with the game. I get that vibe more from gamma than I do KTS.

Just because KTS is antagonistic doesn't mean he's scum. He's probably hard headed town which I'm willing to deal with as long as he participates.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka's biggest issue is that right now I can 100% assure you she is not voting scum.

Meh. I'll vote when I have a scumread. Tchill is probably town and Maria definitely could be town here. IIRC we scumread each other last time we played together.

Therefore I have no problem with ending it early, if it's like in the first few RL days and I feel like it's another typical Day 1.

If you quickhammer, the process of D1/beginning of the game will just continue on Day 2- or Day 3 if town decides to lynch you for hammering. It's just a bad idea in general. But I guess at least we know now not to put anyone at L-1 until the end of the day.

I generally agree with KTS in that the katherine wagon was pretty bad before he last posted. Luca's 331 is bad in particular- the momentum on Tchill dies down and now he's jumping on Katherine, who he hasn't scumread before that post, because the wagon "seems like a decent bet."

Jesus, you guys are active.

Yeah, this. I'm usually one of the most active players in the game and I think I'm on the third lowest post count right now
That said 334 is really bad. Mumble just came in and voteparked the largest wagon. Like I understand not giving reasons for townreads but when you're voting a wagon you kinda gotta back it up.

I feel like the kts wall comes from town. That's just gut btw.

@kts; what is a "deepwolf" and a "powerwolf?" Obviously wolf = scum but I've never seen those two terms before.

I don't think scum would vote me in the current climate, plenty of players have come out townreading me and I feel like the general consesus here is that I'm town. I don't think scum would vote me, at least not with weak reasoning like in 355.

VOTE: Mumble
334 was really bad so I'm happy to vote here for now.

[Cedrick]

this is the same guy that decided to say i was stirring up drama for the sake of it, and i've been ignoring him all game as to not cause an out of game conflict. don't really feel like engaging a child who's gonna throw a tantrum whenever i don't give him attention as seen here:

I didn’t understand what you were saying. That was me asking you to clarify what you were saying. To ignore me is to be rude. That entire sentence made no sense to me.

I didn’t throw a tantrum btw but it is kind of rude to ignore somebody who’s trying to understand what you’re saying especially when we are playing a games that uses words.

[Cedrick]

and yeah, that's provocative, but he's been baiting me all game. not sure what his deal is, but there's only so much i can let him say about me before i get a little angry lol. regardless, his posts engaging me and about me are a solid v.

I haven’t been baiting you and I didn’t say anything bad about you. I don’t appreciate this AtE. It’s unnecessary since I haven’t done anything to you on a personal level.

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
that wagon speed is a no no

[MariaR]

Plus that last post wasn't...awful

I somewhat want to vote in aus/Luca/impo
I get cold feet when I wanna place a vote though I'm gonna assume that's cause it's 6am and for some reason I'm on a mafia site

[Cedrick]

there's a certain line of aggressive and asshole in mafia, and a lot of these players don't know the difference. sort of why i left the toxic community here in the first place.

I can tell the difference. This game regardless of your alignment you’re being an asshole. Falsely accuse me of being a child trying to stir up conflict and saying I’ve been baiting you when I haven’t. You definitely passed over to the asshole side.

I see right through you. You decided to come in here and use aggression to be town read and it worked, however I’m smart enough to know that aggression and activity don’t always mean scum. You throw out reads that are clearly fake and act like you believe them. You double down and say you do which means you are probably scum.

Faking reads to generate discussion and then admitting they were fake is townie. Hopefully people come around on you and you get lynched and none won’t even have any remorse since you seem perfectly fine smearing my good name and using ate.

You have provided toxicity to this game and it’s why I’ve kind of stopped posting. Your presence annoys me and your reads to me don’t seem genuine nor do they make sense still.

I hate to have to ignore somebody completely but I fear that’s what I’ll have to do.

[brassherald]

Plus that last post wasn't...awful

I somewhat want to vote in aus/Luca/impo
I get cold feet when I wanna place a vote though I'm gonna assume that's cause it's 6am and for some reason I'm on a mafia site

So, which of these three is your biggest scumread, if you want to vote them?

[brassherald]

Killthestory seems to love to be the center of attention. I feel like he's too obvious of a choice to be mafia. Maybe it's WIFOM, but he's not blending in with everyone at all, so I'll put him in the probably town category and just label him as the person most likely to secretly be Chumba.

[MariaR]

Plus that last post wasn't...awful

I somewhat want to vote in aus/Luca/impo
I get cold feet when I wanna place a vote though I'm gonna assume that's cause it's 6am and for some reason I'm on a mafia site

So, which of these three is your biggest scumread, if you want to vote them?

An interesting question to ask someone you scumread I don't think my answer would really influence your state of mind. I want to vote impo because Aus engage with me made them less scummy then impo for me. Normally this is the part where I'd explain why I sr impo but ask me again at a later time frame cause rn I don't feel like it