TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[Jingle]

Not caught up in the slightest, but Koba pinged me with a reads wall and a concern that Fate was going to get mislimmed here. I will be very cross if an elimination happens while I'm away, particularly because I feel like I was a reasonably likely target for a nk when I left.

I should be back no later than tomorrow night, you can hold onto your bloodlust until then, whoever Koba is concerned about.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What are their reads?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also interested in why they think fate is a mislim

[Radical Rat]

Because they're right

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Because they're right

What was genuine about their posting?

[Fate]

the hell is a mislim

don't tell me the site did away with the word lynch and joined cancel culture

[Fate]

IS NO ONE ELSE CONCERNED THAT HPE JUMPED FROM VOTING ME THE BIGGEST WAGON TO WHO I AM VOTING?


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[Fate]

Today's Power-Up

The Fire-Flower

-Whoever gains this power-up will have the power to throw fireballs and double-vote for the rest of the day!

not having a countdown timer for the power up was oof

not that I can complain having not read the actual rules fully or anything <_<b

[Cat Scratch Fever]

the hell is a mislim

don't tell me the site did away with the word lynch and joined cancel culture

The word "lynch" is no longer allowed per site rules

[Cat Scratch Fever]

IS NO ONE ELSE CONCERNED THAT HPE JUMPED FROM VOTING ME THE BIGGEST WAGON TO WHO I AM VOTING?


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I would be if it was more confidently scum reading you in the first place, but i never got the impression that it was

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Can you talk about your wgeurts vote, fate?

[HighPrincessErinys]

IS NO ONE ELSE CONCERNED THAT HPE JUMPED FROM VOTING ME THE BIGGEST WAGON TO WHO I AM VOTING?

WHAT THE HELL

wgeurts is and has been my biggest scumread...? Very convinced you just haven't been paying much real attention to the game.

[Fate]

Can you talk about your wgeurts vote, fate?

Smells like scum to me

[Fate]

IS NO ONE ELSE CONCERNED THAT HPE JUMPED FROM VOTING ME THE BIGGEST WAGON TO WHO I AM VOTING?

WHAT THE HELL

wgeurts is and has been my biggest scumread...? Very convinced you just haven't been paying much real attention to the game.

I may have skimmed or not read the first 8 pages or so

[Fate]

Hence why I said the game begins now when I entered ;D

[Fate]

I swear this ghost town

DID I CJOOSE YHE WRONG GAME KR WHAT


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WHYYYYY

[Fate]

Then again I'd be complaining if this game were already long as hell with pages and pages each time I was away so maybe the grass is always greener eh

[Radical Rat]

the hell is a mislim

don't tell me the site did away with the word lynch and joined cancel culture

It's not "cancel culture," but yeah we don't use that word anymore. Most people have switched to a more generic 'elimination' often shortened to lim. You may also see 'yeet' semi-frequently.

ELo and MeLo are the common replacements for LyLo/MyLo, and E-1 instead of L-1, etc.

[Radical Rat]

Because they're right

What was genuine about their posting?

They're emotional and reactive. Lots of stream of consciousness type stuff. Their posts are not being deliberated upon, or at least don't look it

[Cerberus v666]

V/LA through April 24th

I will endeavor to be as active as possible throughout - but this is what my life will be over the next 5 days

4/19 - 12 hours driving to Vegas, vegas'ing and sleep
4/20 - 5 hours driving to Coachella, 2-4 hours in line(may be able to post), 1 hour setup camp, partying
4/21 - 12+ hours festival+party in campgrounds, morning post attempts
4/22 - 12+ hours festival+party in campgrounds, morning post attempts
4/23 - 12+ hours festival+party in campgrounds, morning post attempts
4/24 - 12 hours drive to Utah/16 hour drive to Denver, depending.

Cerberus, can you summarize where you have people at right now?

I could, but on principle I won't barring a super compelling reason to do so. I'm a Day 3 in a large game give a reads list and solve the game kinda guy. Since this is smaller, I'll solve the game midday tomorrow assuming we see two flips to base my analysis off of.

I will, however, gladly answer specific questions. If you want some non-summary thoughts on an individual in the next 24 hours(before my presence may become spotty) I could probably be convinced to ISO someone and arrive at a conclusion about them in particular that I'm willing to share.

I'm more interested in a quick tiered list of people over a detailed read list wall with explanations. You're making observations, and I'm interested in how you weigh the various things you've pointed out to form conclusions

as for a comprehensive ISO on someone, maybe wgeurts since you're familiar with their meta already

You also seem to imply that you're a teamsolver, yes? Any feelings as for what the scumteam may be doing yet?

Yeah, I know what you want, but that isn't what I'm going to be doing, to maximize my own data gathering ability in the face of the opportunity to see how people who don't know me choose to play.
wgeurts ISO noted, not performed yet, so what you're getting here are thoughts as I recall them right now - they are acting *perfectly* within their meta, which is one of those things that is innocuous until you consider that they haven't played for quite some time - thus the question becomes are these activities coming about because of a rote adherence to meta from scum, because it's simply easier than doing something different, or is it muscle memory, as it were. The poking and prodding for more details behind unsupported statements, and suspicion on slots based on posts that appear to be more noise than signal, is also in line with D1 solving from them. I do know they're as good at acting within their town meta as I am, however(a virtue of being methodical and doing things like keeping spreadsheets so you can see how you have thought about things in the past as town - apply the same methodology you have in the past and you can pretty easily act as expected), so they're very slightly town based on current play. I have no desire to lim them because I know they're a very high performer whose methodology meshes well with my own, and I'm confident that the match in process means that if they are scum, barring a scum partner on their side who is absolutely incredible(and unfortunately I am not familiar enough with the playerlist to know of anyone who is purportedly incredible as scum here, except maybe Fate/Jingle(and this is like, based off barely remembered mentions from years ago), the cracks and manipulation will become obvious to me, and if those cracks aren't present, they're worth a lot more to us alive than they are dead.

I'd say I'm actually more of a(in longer games, at least), "find a member of the scum team and then use them to out their partner(s)" type of player. With that said, the only slots with post interactions(that is, ignoring vote movements and so on, I'll look at those when we see a flip for today) that strike me as suspect as a team are Adorable/Jingle, with regards to powerups and so on, but honestly given Jingle's mechanical focus I doubt any benefit to that particular team would have been missed to such an extent that Jingle would have come out so adamantly opposed to using the powerup at all. It's possible that there was some miscommunication or misreading of role PM's, and that led to the abrupt turnaround, but it seems unlikely.

Because they're right

What was genuine about their posting?

They're emotional and reactive. Lots of stream of consciousness type stuff. Their posts are not being deliberated upon, or at least don't look it

This implies that Jingle, wgeurts, and myself, I would say, are not being genuine. You've expressed some degree of suspicion towards wgeurts(I think?) and myself(I know), so that's consistent, but you also expressed a fairly early positive read on Jingle(supported by your teammates) - can you elaborate on why Jingle's behavior and posting is town indicative, particularly in the context of "posts appear to be deliberated upon"?

[Radical Rat]

I don't think that posts being thought out and deliberated upon are inherently scummy, or even not genuine.

I DO think it's easier to fake when you post that way, and that it's harder to fake the more fluid and spontaneous stuff, but that doesn't automatically mean I think all of a deliberate posting style must be fake or scummy.


In Jingle's case specifically, I did think it was odd that he essentially restated my own question and framed it as avoiding thread bloat, and expressed mild suspicion at that. But I believed his explanation of why he considered it to be a unique question was reasonable, and his general position regarding power up usage was pro-Town. He was the first to suggest that no one get it, and as a double vote is far more beneficial to scum than threatening, even if it's not a scum player who receives it, he would have had no real reason to oppose it being awarded.

In theory he could have fabricated that stance specifically to appear more Townie, but in the absence of anything that strikes me as actually scummy to conflict with it, I'm fine townreading him.

[Fate]

the hell is a mislim

don't tell me the site did away with the word lynch and joined cancel culture

It's not "cancel culture," but yeah we don't use that word anymore. Most people have switched to a more generic 'elimination' often shortened to lim. You may also see 'yeet' semi-frequently.

ELo and MeLo are the common replacements for LyLo/MyLo, and E-1 instead of L-1, etc.

Sigh.. I had a whole argument thought up if this were the case but honestly it's not worth fighting the tide

I get it

[Fate]

I swear though if it gets to the point where Mafia is considered insensitive to Italians I will find a way to burn this site to preserve the glory days

[HighPrincessErinys]

the hell is a mislim

don't tell me the site did away with the word lynch and joined cancel culture

It's not "cancel culture," but yeah we don't use that word anymore. Most people have switched to a more generic 'elimination' often shortened to lim. You may also see 'yeet' semi-frequently.

ELo and MeLo are the common replacements for LyLo/MyLo, and E-1 instead of L-1, etc.

Sigh.. I had a whole argument thought up if this were the case but honestly it's not worth fighting the tide

I get it

I swear though if it gets to the point where Mafia is considered insensitive to Italians I will find a way to burn this site to preserve the glory days

😬

[Radical Rat]

I wasn't in favor of the change when it was first brought up either, so I get it, though I did eventually end up supporting it. There's a big thread about it somewhere in probably site ideas where it was quite thoroughly discussed before being implemented, might help with understanding where it came from better.

But that's a bit beyond the scope of the game we're playing now.