Newbie 694 (over)

[insanepenguin02]

GIEFF - I really enjoy your analysis on Xtox. From reading through the information (the past 350+ posts), I have to say that I am suspecting Xtox.

FOS: Xtoxm

HOWEVER, the fact that you brought up such great information makes me think that it could be you, GIEFF. The only things that I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

I need to reread some info and get back with a vote.

[hambargarz]

That was a quick replacement

MOD EDIT:

The only things that I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

How do you know this?

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

insane's post screams WIFOM...

HOWEVER, the fact that you brought up such great information makes me think that it could be you, GIEFF.

WIFOM at it's finest. You basically just said that because he brought up great information that he is scum. Or he is town. Or maybe he's scum cuz he said something amazing, but that could make him town at the same time but... etc.

I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

I wouldn't close your mind to the possibilities. Putting up logic on your ally is called distancing or bussing. I don't know if you already know these terms, if not, I should've given a decent example for you.

[insanepenguin02]

WIFOM?

[insanepenguin02]

NM - I got it. But what exactly does that statement mean - Wine in Front of Me?

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

Okay, basically it's saying that:

x could be town
but x could also be scum
but x could also be town for this reason
but he could be scum for the same reason
but he could also be town

and it's basically an endless argument with yourself/ others that wastes time and is needless and not very helpful.

[GIEFF]

Check out the wiki article, insanepenguin: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM

There is some other good stuff on there you should probably read, too.



I figure this is as good a time as any to post an update on the voting history:

By Character:

Elennaro

FoS: clockworkruse Post 19
Vote: urielzyx, Unvote., UnFoS. Post 41
Vote: RealityFan Post 97
Unvote Post 157
FoS: militant. Post 190

Westbrook_Owns_U

FoS: ClockworkRuse

(Posted as infamousace2)

Post 22
Vote: Xtoxm

(Posted as infamousace2)

Post 32
Unvote: Xtoxm

(Posted as infamousace2)

Post 137
FoS: _over9000, FoS: Xtoxm Post 284

hambargarz

vote: Xtoxm Post 26
Unvote, Vote: militant Post 95
FOS: ClockworkRuse Post 110
FOS: GIEFF Post 177
+1 FOS: militant Post 209
+1 FOS: _over9000 Post 248
+1 FOS: Westbrook_Owns_U Post 341

Dipstick

Vote: GIEFF

(Posted as militant)

Post 28
Unvote

(Posted as militant)

Post 169
FOS: ClockworkRuse

(Posted as _over9000)

Post 235
vote: ClockworkRuse

(Posted as _over9000)

Post 240
Unvote Post 318
FoS Westbrook_Owns_U Post 342

SilverPhoenix

VOTE: Elannaro

(Posted as urielzyx)

Post 30
Unvote

(Posted as urielzyx)

Post 57
Vote: infamousace2

(Posted as urielzyx)

Post 121
Vote: ClockworkRuse Post 287

CarnCarn

Vote: Gieff

(Posted as RealityFan)

Post 43
Unvote, Random Vote: Xtoxm, FoS: Elennaro, FoS: militant, Unvote: Xtoxm Post 204
Unvote:Elennaro Post 230
Vote: _over9000 Post 252

ClockworkRuse

Vote: ClockworkRuse Post 82
Unvote, Vote hambargarz Post 96
Vote: Militant Post 171
HoS over9000
Post 281
Unvote Post 305
FoS GIEFF Post 322

Xtoxm

Vote Militant Post 88
Unvote Vote Inf Post 220

GIEFF

FoS militant Post 146
vote: infamousace2 Post 189
HoS over9000 Post 254
unvote Westbrook (previously infamous) vote _over9000, FoS Westbrook Post 304

By Chronology:

Post Number

Poster

Vote
Post 19

Elennaro

FoS: clockworkruse
Post 22

infamousace2

FoS: ClockworkRuse
Post 26

hambargarz

vote: Xtoxm
Post 28

militant

Vote: GIEFF
Post 30

urielzyx

VOTE: Elannaro
Post 32

infamousace2

Vote: Xtoxm
Post 41

Elennaro

Vote: urielzyx Unvote. UnFoS.
Post 43

RealityFan

Vote: Gieff
Post 57

urielzyx

Unvote
Post 82

ClockworkRuse

Vote: ClockworkRuse

End of Random Voting Stage

Post 88

Xtoxm

Vote Militant
Post 95

hambargarz

Unvote Vote: militant
Post 96

ClockworkRuse

Unvote Vote hambargarz
Post 97

Elennaro

Vote: RealityFan
Post 110

hambargarz

FOS: ClockworkRuse
Post 121

urielzyx

Vote: infamousace2
Post 137

infamousace2

Unvote: Xtoxm
Post 146

GIEFF

FoS militant
Post 157

Elennaro

Unvote
Post 169

militant

Unvote
Post 171

ClockworkRuse

Vote: Militant
Post 177

hambargarz

FOS: GIEFF
Post 189

GIEFF

vote: infamousace2
Post 190

Elennaro

FoS: militant.
Post 204

CarnCarn

Unvote Random Vote: Xtoxm FoS: Elennaro FoS: militant Unvote: Xtoxm
Post 209

hambargarz

+1 FOS: militant
Post 220

Xtoxm

Unvote Vote Inf
Post 230

CarnCarn

Unvote:Elennaro
Post 235

_over9000

FOS: ClockworkRuse
Post 240

_over9000

vote: ClockworkRuse
Post 248

hambargarz

+1 FOS: _over9000
Post 252

CarnCarn

Vote: _over9000
Post 254

GIEFF

HoS over9000
Post 256

ClockworkRuse

HoS over9000
Post 281

ClockworkRuse

Mod: Any responses from those prods?
Post 284

Westbrook_Owns_U

FoS: _over9000 FoS: Xtoxm
Post 287

SilverPhoenix

Vote: ClockworkRuse
Post 304

GIEFF

unvote Westbrook (previously infamous) <BR>vote _over9000 FoS Westbrook
Post 305

ClockworkRuse

Unvote
Post 318

Dipstick

Unvote
Post 322

ClockworkRuse

FoS GIEFF
Post 341

hambargarz

+1 FOS: Westbrook_Owns_U
Post 342

Dipstick

FoS Westbrook_Owns_U

[insanepenguin02]

Thanks guys! But my judgment for a FOS remains.

[SilverPhoenix]

insane's post screams WIFOM...

HOWEVER, the fact that you brought up such great information makes me think that it could be you, GIEFF.

WIFOM at it's finest. You basically just said that because he brought up great information that he is scum. Or he is town. Or maybe he's scum cuz he said something amazing, but that could make him town at the same time but... etc.

I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

I wouldn't close your mind to the possibilities. Putting up logic on your ally is called distancing or bussing. I don't know if you already know these terms, if not, I should've given a decent example for you.

This isn't necessarily WIFOM, but more or less it is active lurking (posting, but not posting any real content) The fact that GIEFF has also posted that you haven't posted much analysis yourself, it makes me suspicious that you point that out from insane.

[SilverPhoenix]

EDWOP: As my sig suggets, V/LA until 12/16 for exams. I'll do my best, but until I get this final paper done, I won't be posting much.

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

Insane isn't actiely lurking.... I was talking about his post. He said that since GIEFF gave good information that he was town. OR he was mafia. OR he could just be town. That's just what I saw, I'm probably misreading it as I occasionally do :/.

[hambargarz]

This isn't necessarily WIFOM, but more or less it is active lurking

I wouldn't say it's active lurking, I would just say it's a newbie post. The argument on GIEFF's protown posts is WIFOM (i've also wondered what to think of them too). This, his forum rank and him not knowing about bussing also imply this.

[ClockworkRuse]

D=

V/LA

For the time being. This is going to hinder things a bit. I'm going to have minimal access for the next few days. Maybe an hour tops.

I'll try to stay as active as I can here.

[hasdgfas]

VOTE COUNT:

Dipstick(3): hambargarz, CarnCarn, GIEFF
Westbrook_Owns_U(1): Xtoxm
ClockworkRuse(1): SilverPhoenix


Not Voting: Westbrook_Owns_U, insanepenguin02, ClockworkRuse, Dipstick
9 alive, 5 to lynch

Deadline is in 5 days

[GIEFF]

If we don't have 5 votes on anybody before 5 days are up, it is a no-lynch, which is not good for the town.

If you think you may not be able to get back to the thread in 5 days, please vote now to avoid a no-lynch.

[GIEFF]

Mod, can you prod Xtoxm and CarnCarn?

MOD EDIT: DONE

[CarnCarn]

Yeah, I'm still here. I've been keeping up with the Dipstick/Westbrook comments, and I honestly haven't seen anything that makes me want to change my vote.

And regarding CarnCarn's question, CR summed up my position accurately; the longer the posts, the more chances there are to slip up. This holds especially true for players like Westbrook and Dipstick who recently joined the game; their predecessors may have posted a fair amount, but that it does us little good in questioning them about what other people said, so I want to see as much from them as possible so they can "catch up" with the rest of us.

I disagree with this full-heartedly. Longer posts do not in any way decrease the chances of that poster being scum.

Mod: Can we have a deadline extension/retraction because two players (ClockworkRuse and SilverPhoenix) are V/LA before the deadline? Thanks.

MOD EDIT: V/LA is part of the game. It's been about a month and a half since the game started, so no extension.

[Dipstick]

Well, I really dont want to vote now and screw anything up, so im gonna just

FoS: xtoxm

^ Basically from GIEFF's analysis (which was great BTW) which showed me why im thinking xtoxm is acting a little scummy (says he's contributed plenty, so why has he stopped contributing? Town would just keep going, they would just go on and then stop for the rest to find out everything)

I would vote xtoxm, but I see no point. I probably will (unless I see something that gets me away from my suspicion on him) before the deadline.

[GIEFF]

Yeah, I'm still here. I've been keeping up with the Dipstick/Westbrook comments, and I honestly haven't seen anything that makes me want to change my vote.

And regarding CarnCarn's question, CR summed up my position accurately; the longer the posts, the more chances there are to slip up. This holds especially true for players like Westbrook and Dipstick who recently joined the game; their predecessors may have posted a fair amount, but that it does us little good in questioning them about what other people said, so I want to see as much from them as possible so they can "catch up" with the rest of us.

I disagree with this full-heartedly. Longer posts do not in any way decrease the chances of that poster being scum.
[/i][/b]

That's not what I'm saying; I'm saying that the longer the posts are, the more chances there are for scum to slip up. People's posts are all we have to analyze. New people don't have as many posts, and therefore, it's in our interest for them to make longer ones, so there is more for us to analyze. Do you agree with that?

[insanepenguin02]

Well, not much seems to be happening with a deadline approaching. My FOS is still on Xtoxm but I will cast a vote for another:

Vote: Dipstick

The player before Dipstick was very suspicious as well and now Dipstick has not done much to protect his character. 3 votes are for him already and now this will make it 4 total, just one more needed.

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

Okay, with deadline ocming up there are 3 people I'd be willing to go either way with and they are:
insanepenguin
Xtoxm
Dipstick

Insanepenguin because: His posts are extremely short, and he hasn't really contributed much. Now he comes in, even though we have several days left and he will not be V/LA and puts Dipstick at L-1. This was not a very good move, if you're not gonna be gone why not help contribute a little instead of just bandwagoning? Especially to L-1. This looks very scummy IMO. His entire logic (Basically) was "There are 3 votes, now there are 4". It's not even a case...

Vote: insanepenguin02

Dipstick because: Along with his previous character's fails, he as well has not done a good job of defending himself. And he now has some not so decent cases, and constant bandwagoning... Also the fact that he has changed characters to the person with lots of suspicion already on him, and he is very cautious. It looks like he is fence-sitting, jsut following the crowd and making sure he has the ability to switch if it ever becomes a problem. I think it might be time for a roleclaim since you are on L-1, sir.

Xtoxm because: Well, he's been pretty inactive most of the game, and most of his posts are pretty short, as GIEFF has shown. Even though he had been inactive most of the game, he just now tells us he has exams. I also believe I have seen him active on other parts of the site... Losing interest?

[Dipstick]

Im at L-1 now... this is a great wake-up call...

Have any questions for me? I really dont know how to defend myself without anyone asking me questions...

[Dipstick]

EBWOP: Didnt want to do this for some reason, but:

townsfolk

I was surprised ending up Townsfolk after reading my prodeccors posts...

[Xtoxm]

I'd rather lynch West, but with a VT claim:

Unvote Vote Dipstick

[Dipstick]

Ok, im confused... why would you want to lynch a claimed townsfolk? do you not believe me?

Oh well... My main suspect is xtoxm and orangepenguin... WestBrook, your off my list... havnt been scummy as your prodeccor... I guess im out...