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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.15 Tiger Quoll

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Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Nachomamma8

(L-3): MURDERCAT, Dragon of the West, hiplop, All In

A Simple Plan

(L-4): Vedith, Raskolnikov, dwlee99

Vedith

(L-5): Shadow_Step, A Simple Plan

The_Jester

(L-6): Killthestory

Dragon of the West

(L-6): Bellaphant

All In

(L-6): The_Jester

Shadow_Step

(L-7): A Simple Plan

Not Voting

(1): Nachomamma8

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[MURDERCAT]

Well that looks more like the nacho I know. Something still feels a bit off though, I still don't know what he thinks of any other players. Nacho, we hypo day 2+?

I think the nacho votes look ok now.

I don't understand this, can you explain it to me?
You start leaning to Nacho being more like himself (which I can only assume town him in your eyes) then you think the votes on him look okay?
If this is the case, what changed in the 2 posts between these?

Even in the first post I say I'm not satisfied...

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah exactly, my vote will move if he's obv town like normal when he does those posts.

Doesn't saying this kind of defeat the purpose of voting him for pressure?

If obv towning were easy everyone could do it.

[Killthestory]

EEE EEE EEE EEE

ONOMONAPEIA

[Killthestory]

holy shit a quad feed

i didn't realize it was lagging that bad

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[Shadow_step]

Notes from pages 1-3

-Don't like Shadow Steps RVS vote: Naked vote on a person who has not yet posted.
-Shadow Step follows up with a vote on my predecessor when the RVS wagon starts to build. Wondering why he didn't try starting a wagon instead of his naked vote earlier
-Murdercat taking the lead and votes Raskolnikov: good vote.

I need to go right now. I'll finish up on my catchup a bit later.

Why didn't you have a problem with this vote? Granted it wasn't a naked vote, but there is no real reasoning. Specifically why didn't you have a problem with not voting someone who had already posted? He could have also voted to form a wagon but did not, why didn't you have a problem with that?

VOTE: ASP

Tempted with the Jester vote, but I feel there's scum on that wagon.

Content to hammer!

Plus when the wagon on Robb(now All in) started to form Vedith said this and didn't jump on that Robb wagon.

There is something really weird going on between these two slots.
I'd prefer a All in lynch now cause that attack on me feels like a chainsaw.

VOTE: All in

[Nachomamma8]

Figured. I just get lucky a lot

I will say that you will know I'm town by the end of the day.

I think that this post looks town.

wait people are voting who I want and I don't have to yell, kick, scream, and death tunnel to get it to happen?

excuse me while I pinch myself.

This post seemed slightly town; it seemed like the type of thing that would be genuine regardless of Robbnva's alignment, but probably less likely to be expressed if he was scum.

VOTE: dwlee

Youre scum this game

That wasn't my impression; I thought that the point he brought up against you was a decent one.
Why didn't you answer it?

VOTE: dwlee

Why?

This vote makes Bella/Hiplop less likely to be a pair; I have trouble seeing Bella as scum immediately backing up hiplop as a partner against Dwlee, but I have concerns that she could be taking advantage of a weird-looking hiplop push.

108 is a good post; I like and agree with his takes on Dwlee and the Robbnva thing specifically. It's not a significant enough thing to factor into a townread, but noting it anyways.

This early, it doesn't surprise me. I find it interesting Hiplop offers an explanation without voting, and Bella votes without explaining. Something about the vote from Bella especially feels off.

bella knows to trust me, duh

This + "I'm confirmed town, ASP is not" both seem like ridiculous things that hiplop is more likely to say as town than scum, although I don't really have any real experience with hiplop as scum so I don't know if this feeling is correct or not.

Fairly confident that Rasko is town here.

I'd like to say that the abrasive edge on Vedith's post makes him more likely to be town, but I can't really say that it does.

Your "pressure vote" is fake as fuck. You know I'm gonna post something of value eventually and they you can say: look! I pressured him and he commited! See how awesome I am?
NOT

I don't disagree that Jester's posting before this point looked pretty poor, but I'm not really sure that I can see Jester as scum making such a big deal out of being pressure voted; it's fairly obvious the pressure goes away once he starts giving reads, but instead of just giving reads, he complains about people pressure voting and pushes back in a weird way. This looks more like he's stubbornly standing up for PRINCIPLES over anything else and that's a position I think that he's less likely to take as scum.

I don't understand why Shadow is tunneling Vedith.

[Nachomamma8]

I hated the signature quote thing from dwlee, hence the vote.

Why did you hate the signature quote thing?

What do you think about the ASP wagon?

It's not on a townread.
I don't really think it's a great wagon.

The claim game is really distracting from what we should be doing at this point. As much as a town Nacho is very useful, I have seen 0 signs of that.

So I agree that he should come forward and lay out his reads.

I could see if I was distracting from something productive that was happening in thread, but nothing productive was actually happening in thread. The only thing that seems to have any sort of rhyme or reason behind it is the Simple Plan wagon but from what I've read of that so far it's not exactly compelling to me.

My major complaint with your push on me (not that I think that it's necessarily indicative of any sort of alignment from you) is that it's useless and you know that it's useless; I'd expect you to be familiar enough with my scumgame where you know that I don't lurk if scum if I can help it which means that my lurking, for the most part, is not alignment indicative. I would also argue that the push on me is more distracting from "what the town needs to do" than the claim plan was; right now, people are expecting me to ~do things~ while they aren't actually doing things themselves which somehow means that they're absolved from looking around them.

[Vedith]

Notes from pages 1-3

-Don't like Shadow Steps RVS vote: Naked vote on a person who has not yet posted.
-Shadow Step follows up with a vote on my predecessor when the RVS wagon starts to build. Wondering why he didn't try starting a wagon instead of his naked vote earlier
-Murdercat taking the lead and votes Raskolnikov: good vote.

I need to go right now. I'll finish up on my catchup a bit later.

Why didn't you have a problem with this vote? Granted it wasn't a naked vote, but there is no real reasoning. Specifically why didn't you have a problem with not voting someone who had already posted? He could have also voted to form a wagon but did not, why didn't you have a problem with that?

VOTE: ASP

Tempted with the Jester vote, but I feel there's scum on that wagon.

Content to hammer!

Plus when the wagon on Robb(now All in) started to form

Vedith said this and didn't jump on that Robb wagon.

There is something really weird going on between these two slots.
I'd prefer a All in lynch now cause that attack on me feels like a chainsaw.

VOTE: All in

My vote was before Robb had any votes and my second comment was in regards to the "L1" post from Jester considering it was L5. This was page 1 with 2 people putting a vote on Robb. You really are scratching the walls here.

[Nachomamma8]

Starting from now on, regardless of alignment. Day 1 I will basically be a sheep. I will not be pushing for any lynches and only join whatever lynch the majority decides. People don't listen to me when I make pushes so I won't be pushing anymore.

Hiplop what were you trying to say here?

Hiplop, I think it was pretty obvious based on context that you were pointing out that Robbnva was deviating from what he said he'd do D1 or you were pointing out that people were listening to Robbnva even though he said no one either did. I find either interpretation completely reasonable; I think that shutting Dwlee down in response to him was dumb when it seemed pretty likely that he was genuinely trying to figure you out.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: hiplop
back to this

[Nachomamma8]

I think that Jester, Dwlee, All in, Rasko, MURDERCAT, and hiplop are likelier town than not. I have a few vague leanings for who I think scum might be in the remaining group, but am not yet interested in talking about them.

[Nachomamma8]

Next, elaborating on the plan. A hypoclaim is a claim where all players claim what results they would have gotten if they have a power role so that power roles can truthfully claim their results without the scum being able to root them out immediately and kill them. The advantage of this plan is that there will be a 0% chance of a power role dying without town getting their advantage, which is mitigated by scum having a higher chance of finding power roles, which I hope will be significantly mitigated by the increased number of possibilities that each hypoclaim represents.

The format of each hypoclaim goes like this:

Night X Name of Player Positive/Negative Name of Player, Additional Name(s) of Players (optional)
JOAT Ability (optional)

This means that you always need a night, a name of a player, the word POSITIVE or NEGATIVE, and then the name of another player.

Examples of proper hypoclaims:

N1 Jester Positive Vedith
1st Investigative JOAT

N2 Dwlee Negative Hiplop, Raskolinov, Nachomamma8

N3 MURDERCAT Positive MURDERCAT

[Shadow_step]

Notes from pages 1-3

-Don't like Shadow Steps RVS vote: Naked vote on a person who has not yet posted.
-Shadow Step follows up with a vote on my predecessor when the RVS wagon starts to build. Wondering why he didn't try starting a wagon instead of his naked vote earlier
-Murdercat taking the lead and votes Raskolnikov: good vote.

I need to go right now. I'll finish up on my catchup a bit later.

Why didn't you have a problem with this vote? Granted it wasn't a naked vote, but there is no real reasoning. Specifically why didn't you have a problem with not voting someone who had already posted? He could have also voted to form a wagon but did not, why didn't you have a problem with that?

VOTE: ASP

Tempted with the Jester vote, but I feel there's scum on that wagon.

Content to hammer!

Plus when the wagon on Robb(now All in) started to form

Vedith said this and didn't jump on that Robb wagon.

There is something really weird going on between these two slots.
I'd prefer a All in lynch now cause that attack on me feels like a chainsaw.

VOTE: All in

My vote was before Robb had any votes and my second comment was in regards to the "L1" post from Jester considering it was L5. This was page 1 with 2 people putting a vote on Robb. You really are scratching the walls here.

Dude, why would you even address something which isn't asked to you in the first place.
You didn't even allow All In to answer it first.

[All In]

Okay, this is what I was looking for from Nacho. I only wish he delivered a bit earlier.

You know, Nacho, you have a good point about people looking at you instead of applying pressure themselves. I can only speak for myself, but when I know a good player is in the game, comparing my reads to theirs is something I like to do. Good players who are town don't tend to live long, so matching scumreads are usually an indication for me that I'm on the right track on those reads.

VOTE: Dragon of the west.

Their catchup after coming back from V/LA was very underwhelming.

And the point I made before:

Dragon's comment on the personal attack in his catchup post seems unnecessary and pointless.Especially because nothing in the 70 other posts since his V/LA seem to be noteworthy.

I wouldn't mind lynching this at all.

[Plotinus]

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[Shadow_step]

Yes All In is conf scum.

[Killthestory]

Yes All In is conf scum.

youre face is confirmed scum

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[Killthestory]

plot has my back the entire way through this

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[Dwlee99]

Yes All In is conf scum.

youre face is confirmed scum

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stop stealing my quality memes
I actually have no problem with the DotW vote

[All In]

Yes All In is conf scum.

youre face is confirmed scum

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stop stealing my quality memes
I actually have no problem with the DotW vote

you should join the wagon. Your hiplop vote is doing nothing atm.

[Vedith]

Dude, why would you even address something which isn't asked to you in the first place.
You didn't even allow All In to answer it first.

Because what you are saying about me is completely weak.

[Dwlee99]

Yes All In is conf scum.

youre face is confirmed scum

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stop stealing my quality memes
I actually have no problem with the DotW vote

you should join the wagon. Your hiplop vote is doing nothing atm.

your face is doing nothing atm
Wow Im so funny

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